247 rankings update
George Karlaftis up to #12 overall
Julian Barnett up to #70 overall
Lance Dixon up to #72 overall
Karsen Barnhart up to #235 overall
Will Harrod down over 200 spots to #358 overall
Marcus Hicks down over 250 spots to #502 overall
Justin Rogers (c/o 2020) up to #13 overall
The state of Michigan now has 6 Top 247 prospects - Devonte Dobbs #24 overall, Logan Brown #16 overall, and Mazi Smith #226 are the others.
Have to snatch Karlaftis.
Harrod falling after a good camp and picking up a Georgia offer is...odd.
Take?
gank!
Only if you're The Donald.
Bill Clinton.
#NoPolitics
Snakeoil?
Per Allen Trieu he did not have a good camp and offers aren't considered in the ranking process.
It's obvious that offers aren't considered in rankings - they're basically two different, sometimes competing sometimes validating, ways to rank kids. That being said, I will trust Georgia's coaches on evaluating someone over writers' opinions 8 days a week.
Especially Georgia who has Sam Pittman who is regarded as the best or among the best OL coach right now.
Right. If UGA wants someone on the OL then that kid can fucking play.
Offers can mean a lot of things. IMO the offer has more to do with getting in at the school which has some outstanding 2020 prospects than it does with Harrod. UM doles out offers all the time to players they have no intention of accepting commitments from. Every program does this.
Regardless, sounds like there is only 1, maybe 2, OL spots left in the class according to Webb. New names are popping up (Bryce Benhart) and old ones (Trevor Keegan) are coming back into focus. I wouldn't be shocked if the staff moves on from Harrod at this point. Will be interesting to see if Stewart sticks.
What outstanding prospects are you talking about?
https://247sports.com/Player/Joshuah-Moten-46041296
He is the only player even rated for the 2020 class.
I don't disagree that an offer can have other meanings/explanations/justifications, but Harrod has offers from Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Georgia, and others. Are all of these schools with incredible branding that don't need to be "in" anywhere because their name alone gets them in the door offering Harrod simply to curry favor with his 2020 teammates?
Michigan has been on Harrod from day one regardless of his ranking. They're not going to move on. There may only be two spots left on the OL, but Harrod is committing July 28th. Two recruits would have to take his spot by then, and I don't know that Keegan, Bragg, Benhart, etc. have that accelerated of a timeline. I would guess that Harrod is in the class, and I would guess that that is because our staff believes that he can flat out play.
That's like, your opinion.
This staff have moved on from guys each and every cycle, even commitments.
He has failed thus far. Lots of time left until NSD though. Can't let this much talent walk out of the state.
there are 6 in the 247
1 has committed to us
1 we have 100% of the predictions (Mazi Smith) - not a guarantee of course
2 of from Bellview - weird things going on with that coach
1 had Wisconsin as his dream school
1 we are pursuing in Dixon, the only one we don't lead for that we have an acutal chance to recruit
in 2018 we got the top guy (Hutchingson) and 3 of the top 5 (Mayfield and Hayes) #2 (Gervin) and #3 (McCall) were not players we pursued
in 2017 we got the top 6 in the state
in 2016 we got the top 2
so stop making up bullshit about the inability to recruit Michigan - the data doesn't support it, even in our worst recruiting year of 2018 we did well
So by your calculations getting one, maybe two of the top six in the state in the richest Michigan recruiting cycle that I can remember (and I'm 58) constitutes "making up bullshit?"
You discount the two kids from Bellview cause "wierd things going on with that school". Sorry - Harbaugh doesnt get a pass here IMO. It's his and his staff's JOB to fix whatever "wierd things" are going on and repair the relationship. Shit, Brady fucking Hoke repaired the Michigan relationship down here with Glenville HS and one Mr. Teddy Ginn Sr a few years ago so I know it can be done.
And saying one had Wisconsin as his "dream school" is pretty weak sauce too IMO. He's going somewhere else - we missed - plain and simple. And as you yourself said, we're pursuing Dixon but not in the lead right now.
So out of six we have one, MAYBE two. Not great Bob....not great....and getting mad at the poster who accurately pointed it out doesnt change it any either.
at the moment, it has 8 4-stars
2018 also had 8 (Michigan got the top 3)
2017 had 6 (Michigan got them all)
2016 had 10 (Michigan got the top 2)
this narrative that the State of Michigan has so much 2019 talent is based on the 247 composite having 2 5-stars - note that 247 only had 1 5-star since 2016 from the state of Michigan and he enrolled at, you guessed it, Michigan - thank you Mr. Peoples-Jones
People just want to bitch about shit with no data to support their facts - the fact that we might only get 2 or 3 of the top 6 in Michigan all of a sudden means we're not recruiting the state well? We are recruiting the state of Michigan way better than anyone else and as good as anyone recruits their home state
Holy delusion.
People are concerned about the way recruiting has been trending since last cycle. Harbaugh landed 2 great classes in his first 2 full cycles, but since then it seems to have taken a downturn. The issue is that Michigan isn't really a high school football hotbed, so when there is a strong in-state class it's important that we take advantage of that, which it doesn't really appear we're gonna do this cycle. Granted, things could change especially if we win big this year. We shall see how things shake out.
Our biggest weakness is and has been OT. The football gods blessed us with not one but two 5 star OTs in our own backyard. They're the 2nd and 3rd highest rated tackles in the entire country. Striking out on both of these guys is a major in-state recruiting fail. You can justify this with any excuses that make you feel better but that does not change the fact we messed up here.
This sums it up as nicely as I've seen
...the football gods aredangling these stars in your face to punish you for being a petulant, reactionary fanbase who turned on Hoke and his multiple top 100 recruits quicker than you could pull the 'I heart UofM' underoos out of yo asscrack.
The local recruits remember, do you think they want to be the next Derrick Green or Shane Morris?
I'm not making up bullshit and the data does support my assertion, at least for this year. You know how many times I heard a player say UM was his dream school only to end up somewhere else? That's not really a good reason to argue that a player wasn't recruitable. Lance Dixon is leaning elsewhere at the moment. There is time to make up ground but doesn't look good as of right now. As for the Belleville duo, the coach is a UM fan and even Sam Webb stated UM messed up with Dobbs and have been trying to dig themselves out of that hole ever since. Bottom line is there are always going to be reasons/excuses as to why kids don't pick Michigan. Harbaugh is getting paid a lot of money for those not to matter. Going 2 for 6 on Top 247 prospects in state isn't good no matter how you slice it. Let's see how it plays out. Don't see anything wrong with that POV.
doesn't come across as a Michigan fan with the way he acts on social media.
If we get Dixon, we get 3 of 6 (50%) of the top 247 recruits in the state
Even your beloved Buckeyes lost out on the #1 kid in Ohio last year and we currently have 5 guy in Ohio based on 247, #3 based on the composite - does that mean OSU is blowing it in Ohio?
if we get 50% in 2019 afer 3 of the top 5 in 18, the top 6 in 2017 and the top 2 in 2016 I would say Michigan is recruiting the hell out of the state of Michigan
sorry I am not Mr. Glass is completely empty like yourself
No you're Mr. mad online at anyone you don't agree with.
As for the Belleville coach:
What's written as gospel. I'll say again I've been a Michigan fan my entire life. I'm still a Michigan fan. I don't send or steer kids in any direction. I tell kids to love who loves you. Trust no one in recruiting.
— CoachJermain Crowell (@JermainCrowell) May 2, 2018
would say otherwise
Now as far as the Dobbs thing goes there was a transition between recruiting staffs when Singeltary left. Singeltary had always been the contact person. So when Dobbs started blowing up I knew no one on the new recruiting staff. They were in transition.
— CoachJermain Crowell (@JermainCrowell) May 2, 2018
Dobbs went to Friday night lights got offered by Ohio State . A Michigan reporter gave me a call the next day to ask were Michigan was on Dobbs. I explained I hadn't been talking to anyone besides Wheatley and he hasn't mentioned Dobbs. I got a call the next day he was invited
— CoachJermain Crowell (@JermainCrowell) May 2, 2018
To the Barbque were Michigan offered him. The only problem was they offered him as a DL a position he never played. The biggest problem was that they also offered another 2019 OL from Michigan and the OL coach at the time never said a word to him. That OL coach is no longer there
— CoachJermain Crowell (@JermainCrowell) May 2, 2018
Pep Hamilton did a really good job of bridging the gap. He has built a relationship with Dobbs and Julian. Now does that overide the relationships that the kid had with other schools where there were no hic ups. I don't know. I do know this as fans myself included we often take
— CoachJermain Crowell (@JermainCrowell) May 2, 2018
Lastly when Wheatley, Singeltary and Fred Jackson was there I told Michigan about every elite kid I came across before I told anyone else. I remember telling them about Malik McDowell when he was in the 10th grade I told them about Mike Webber and Peoples when they were in the 8
— CoachJermain Crowell (@JermainCrowell) May 2, 2018
From the time Peoples hit Cass I told him he would look real good in a Michigan uniform. Same with Vert same with Big Mike same with Kelly Powell. I did that as a fan and half jokingly. I still took them to any school they might have wanted to attend. Because it was my job.
— CoachJermain Crowell (@JermainCrowell) May 2, 2018
I had only seen some of the other quick ones that were more negative. All makes sense and I'm glad to see it whether it helps us with this cycle or not.
I have a diploma from Michigan dated 1981 so no, they are anything but that for me. But because I was smart enough to get accepted to and earn a degree from Michigan I am also smart enough to see when things arent going as well as hoped. And while I will happily bullshit many people to serve my own purposes the one person I never bullshi is myself.
So when OSU has the 2nd best class this year according to 247 and we're 21st it matters. Sorry but it does. Did you read Brian's post about the amazing gameplan Harbaugh put together for OSU this year? Do you know why it didnt lead us to victory? Because we had an incompetent QB - that's why. And do you know why OSU didnt miss a beat when their starting QB went down in that game? Because they had an extremely talented back-up to put in.
Talent matters. You can try and dismiss it all you want - but it matters. And as of now we have ONE, not three, of the top six. Still time to improve that some but we definitely do not have three lined up right now.
I'm not a glass half full or glass half empty guy at all. I'm a guy who calls whatever is in the glass for what it actually is - not what I want or hope it to be.
I'm new here but I think the "beloved buckeyes" comment was to bluey.
Unless you're bluey?
I tried to follow the breadcrumbs back and it looks like you're probably right. I assumed, incorrectly it would seem, that the "beloved buckeyes" comment was due to my living down here in Ohio but upon further review I think you are correct.
My comments still hold though.......
Talent does matter, but when you look at our "All Time Recruits" for the past 17 years 1/3rd flamed out, and another third to half are on the team now or will be in a year. Stars matter, but the ability to find and the develop the Devin Bush Jr.s (.89) is more important than getting the Derrick Greens (.9874), Kelly Barackas (.99) or Kevin Gradys(.99).
It is hard to believe that Hoke's highly ranked O-line hauls were all over-rated.
I think Harbaugh has us in the right direction and that we will do very wel this year (10-2).
That said, OSU's all time recruits are ridiculous.
Why do you type in all caps and exclamation points almost every single post? Can't tell if you are 11 or someone who's about to have an aneurysm burst. Hope you aren't as stressed as it seems on here. Go blue buddy
good thing i braced myself