February 13th, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^
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February 13th, 2018 at 1:09 PM ^
Get the best guy, yes, but there's a difference between hiring Tom Herman and having him blow up and move on compared to us hiring McElwain or Bama hiring Kiffin for example. The latter cases are examples where you know the guys have zero interest in sticking around a second longer than they have to.
February 13th, 2018 at 1:30 PM ^
Do you think Bama fans are upset Saban hired temporary guys who helped them win National championships?
February 13th, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^
Because, if that's your model, you have to do that year in and year out. Now if you're Saban, you can swing that. Maybe Harbaugh can too, but he hasn't proved that yet. It certainly isn't an easy model and it also certainly doesn't lend well to continuity in coaching or recruiting.
February 13th, 2018 at 2:24 PM ^
At the time of his hire at OSU, Herman had been quickly rising up the ranks through successively higher profile OC jobs. It wasn't like he was a nobody that blew up out of nowhere. Thus, iif you're OSU you've got to believe Herman is going to be successful (otherwise why hire him) and thus will very likely move on to a HC gig in relatively short order. So really not that much different than McElwain or Kiffin except maybe you get another year out of Herman.
February 13th, 2018 at 2:34 PM ^
They did get 3 seasons out him. But yeah, I mean I partially agree when you look at guys like Durkin and Moorehead. I still think it's different taking a young hot shot and if pans out and gets a HC job, well then something good happened so fine, rather than taking a guy looking to kill a season before the next coaching cycle who may not be as vested in the position as someone trying to prove themself.
February 13th, 2018 at 3:36 PM ^
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February 13th, 2018 at 9:43 PM ^
Hermann was stepping up and needed to prove himself. Kiffin was stepping down and wanted to collect a paycheck between head coaching jobs. A Hermann type is going to try a lot harder, generally speaking.
February 13th, 2018 at 1:11 PM ^
February 13th, 2018 at 2:14 PM ^
Yeah. While constant staff upheaval isn't great, I'd rather win a bunch of games with good coaches that leave than win fewer games with coaches who don't get much outside interest. That was one of Carr's big issues - his coaching tree never grew because guys weren't all that appealing.
February 13th, 2018 at 4:20 PM ^
February 13th, 2018 at 1:07 PM ^
I agree with the general sentiment, but seeing as we could lose both Drevno and Pep next year, I'm fine with a one-year patch up job with a McAdoo or McElwain or McWhoever to get as much out of this team next year as possible.
After next year, then you could really shake things up in a way most of us had hoped for this year. Bring in a clear cut rising star OC and give him the reigns and let him bring a positional coach or three and hope he can stick around for a bit.
February 13th, 2018 at 2:00 PM ^
Drevno:Harbaugh::3-5-3 defense:RichRod
For better or worse, Harbaugh and Drevno are inseparable. He will ride that ship right down to the bottom if need be.
February 13th, 2018 at 2:07 PM ^
Observations: Jim knows football; Jim wants to win; Jim is a competitive person
I don't see how one can reconcile the above observations with the statment that Drevno will not be fired.
February 13th, 2018 at 2:09 PM ^
*3-3-5. They've parted before when Drev went to USC. I think Jim would let him go next year if he's still not recruiting well and the pass pro doesn't improve with 3 returning starters. I think the Warriner hiring can be read as Jim telling Drevno to put up or shut up this year.
February 13th, 2018 at 2:47 PM ^
In the entire time Harbaugh has been a head coach - there has been 1 year where Drevno wasn't on his staff.
I can see Drevno leaving for a "better" job, I don't see Harbaugh getting rid of him.
February 13th, 2018 at 3:48 PM ^
Problem is, I can't see anyone offering Drevno a "better" job.
February 13th, 2018 at 2:57 PM ^
For OC ????? I thought Drevno/Pep are the OCs and are staying.... unless Im mistaken and that McElwain and McAdoo are applying for the OC position and Drevno/Pep are on way out this season...
February 13th, 2018 at 7:37 PM ^
Time to let the Athletes Be Athletes!!!
February 14th, 2018 at 12:55 AM ^
With no offensive line is not only a failure, it makes for some mundane-ass football. The rest of the world has adapted to the spread, there's no reason Michigan in its current formation should feel the need to play football like it's the 70's and passing is the devil (although last year, passing very much was the devil)
February 13th, 2018 at 12:55 PM ^
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February 13th, 2018 at 5:11 PM ^
No want. His last college gig was 15 years ago as a grad assistant at Pitt.
He basically pushed Tom Coughlin out the way with the Giants & took the team from a tight knit family to a toxic dump in 1.5 seasons. He's seen as a major league asshole. Kick the tires, but stay far away.
February 13th, 2018 at 12:55 PM ^
Looks too greasy
February 13th, 2018 at 12:55 PM ^
Any Giants fans in here with some insight on his offenses?
February 13th, 2018 at 1:09 PM ^
He was awful. Reminded me of hoke incompetence
February 13th, 2018 at 1:11 PM ^
Yeah he's really just a short passing game guy right? Generally runs 4 and 5 man routes? That requires a pretty stellar starting 5 on the OL and a QB who processes things very fast.
February 13th, 2018 at 1:13 PM ^
So 2017 all over again
February 13th, 2018 at 1:19 PM ^
We ran a lot of long, option routes last year and a lot of 2 and 3 man routes. So no.
February 13th, 2018 at 1:27 PM ^
We might have ran them but we sure as hell weren't completing them
February 13th, 2018 at 1:38 PM ^
Well that's a different discussion
February 13th, 2018 at 1:42 PM ^
But really though, from what i can remember this past season after Speight went down it felt like alot of short to intermediate routes (high percentage throws). I can recall a 2 man route where the tight end was wide open and we missed him but thats about it. In my defense im trying to erase last year's passing game from my memory ASAP.
February 13th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^
hand pick him to take over once he left? Seemed odd that Coughlin did so well coaching but muffed his successor that bad in 2 years.
February 13th, 2018 at 1:51 PM ^
Coughlin didn't pick anyone to replace him. The g.m. brought in McAdoo as o.c. named him head coach after Coughlin got dumped. Coughlin went out kicking and screaming not voluntarily. McAdoo knows offense--he was hired from Green Bay and ran a prolific offense there. He had his issues with managing the team, but the Giants had the best offenses in their history under him. It was fun to watch when the o-line was good.
February 13th, 2018 at 2:00 PM ^
"the Giants had the best offenses in their history under him."
and plattypus sez:
"He was awful. Reminded me of hoke incompetence"
February 13th, 2018 at 3:19 PM ^
McAdoo spent two years as OC and the Giants offense went from one of the worst to one of the top offenses in two years. Eli had one of his worst season prior to McAdoo to one of his best in years. When the Coughlin was forced out, they promoted McAdoo, which made no sense at the time - who cans the HC but basically keeps the rest of the staff intact. The hope was the guy that revived Eli and orchestrated a high scoring offense would push the Giants over the top... Needless to say, this did not work out well.
For some reason, as HC the Giants offense cratered, it was predicable, boring, unimaginative. During the past two years, I dont think the Giants scored over 30 points and if they did, it was maybe once
February 13th, 2018 at 1:35 PM ^
So you're saying he's taking Drevno's spot amirite
February 13th, 2018 at 8:51 PM ^
He also has a confrontational personality and a false sense of accomplishment. He acts like Belicheck without the resume to back it up. Forget about recruiting. Zero charisma. On the field he is not flexible in his system. He doesn't adapt to his personnel and their strengths. They have to play his scheme no matter how bad it looks.
February 13th, 2018 at 1:36 PM ^
Plus he was a terrible leader. As hard of a hard pass as possible. Would be an absolute disaster
February 13th, 2018 at 3:34 PM ^
He ran the offense well when that's all he was doing. He had neither the qualifications nor experience to run an entire NFL team.
February 13th, 2018 at 12:56 PM ^
1. I think this would be a fine hire. He was actually quite good at coaching offense, but obviously being the head coach of NYG was way too much for him to handle.
2. He can't be worse than Pep and Drevno.
3. While I'm tentatively cool with this, I wish we were looking harder at innovative college coaches.
February 13th, 2018 at 1:04 PM ^
I reallyyyyy hope one of the criterion for the 10th assistant isn't "is he better than Pep and Drevno?"
February 13th, 2018 at 1:30 PM ^
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February 13th, 2018 at 4:10 PM ^
How quickly we forget about Borges.