Why I'm not panicking about last night
Turnovers, 4-0.
That was the story of the game, along with some other concerning mistakes, such as the kicking game. Toss in some depletion in the secondary, big pass plays, pass interference calls that we didn't get the best of, and it was a game that got away.
We actually outgained the Irish, 289-280. The o-line, while a work in progress, looked more serviceable than it had at times. We were in the stadium of a team that may prove to be top ten and we didn't really get blown out in the helmet-to-helmet sense.
Turnovers, mental mistakes, bad judgement, and a few calls we didn't get. They are maddening, and they have to be fixed. But fundamentally, this game was far closer than the score would tell us.
If things go our way in some upcoming games, this could still be a good season. There isn't a game that's not winnable.
I'm not ready to toss aside the things we've seen built over the past few years over one loss. Let's let it play out before we raise the white flag.
September 7th, 2014 at 4:40 PM ^
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September 7th, 2014 at 4:43 PM ^
In four years Brady Hoke's Michigan teams have scored a grand total of 2 touchdowns at Notre Dame and Michigan State (those 2 touchdowns are from 2011 and happen to also be the last time we scored a touchdown against MSU).
Brady Hoke has never beaten a team away from the Big House that finished the regular season with a winning record. Even when he went 10-2 he lost on the road to the two teams that finished the regular season with a winning record. His best road win is at Illinois and that team finished 7-6 (6-6 regular season).
This is year 4: it's not a coincidence anymore or an injury problem or bad luck or youth. It's a trend.
September 7th, 2014 at 6:21 PM ^
A coach in over his head. There is a reason he was a sub 500 coach before he came here. I admire his love for the university, but now it is time to prove it and step down.
September 7th, 2014 at 6:21 PM ^
A coach in over his head. There is a reason he was a sub 500 coach before he came here. I admire his love for the university, but now it is time to prove it and step down.
September 7th, 2014 at 4:44 PM ^
Or
A bad team in a good conference?
Just a quick straw poll. No real reference to u of m. Just a big ten / sec question.
September 7th, 2014 at 4:48 PM ^
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September 7th, 2014 at 5:38 PM ^
I'm panicking because Notre Dame's defense looked like ours was supposed to (probably better, actually...Jalen Smith is a fucking beast) and their receivers looked like ours were supposed to (regardless of our defense helping that notion). Our everything looked like shit, though it all stems from our lack of development in the trenches, which is a big issue and one that needs addressing in some manner or this program will remain a middling one. Yes, there is no elite left. This program is mediocre, regardless of a backed-into fucking Sugar Bowl.
I will say, I think I and many others, including people across the country, have been underestimating 2014 Notre Dame; with Everett Golson clicking back there like he was, regardless of the lack of pass rush though yes it would have helped a tad, they looked like a pretty good team.
September 7th, 2014 at 4:52 PM ^
But can you coach not turning the ball over? I mean, I understand that you can coach to throw the ball away and hold the ball high and tight. But other than that, can you really coach good decision making? Or is it something you just have or not? In the heat of the moment, it's gotta be tough teaching EVERY POSSIBLE SITUATION...not to mention in real time.
Help me out. I've never dealt with it. I've played hockey, martial arts, and baseball semi professionally overseas. But I feel you have 'it' or you don't when it comes to decisions. Which makes recruiting even more of a crapshoot.
September 7th, 2014 at 4:52 PM ^
September 7th, 2014 at 4:53 PM ^
Like this year, we got destroyed in game #2, yet recovered to have decent seasons (including a B1G co-championship in 1998 w/ tOSU & Wiscy).
But just because it's been done before (by Lloyd) doesn't mean it's an easy task.
September 7th, 2014 at 4:54 PM ^
Growing up 5 miles from ND last night was misery, but I'm trying to keep things in perspective.
Our chances before yesterday of national elitism (playoffs) were next to zero. Now they are zero. No difference in reality.
We have five winnable games ahead of us, which could provide significant experience and momentum. We will have to execute better than last night, but week to week improvement means we have a very good chance of being 6 - 1.
The coaches are the coaches. Last week seemed to be one where the team showed improvement, although against a lesser opponent. Yesterday, ND played a good game, especially in the first half, and we just seemed to never get things going. Credit some of that to ND, but also it seemed like the players were just off a little last night. Hopefully we will see some tweaks this week, which means someone is paying attention to reality.
Overall ND is insignificant to us anymore. I can't imagine one game is going to turn the tide in recruiting. The Big Ten is not invincible if you look at each game through the first two weeks of the season. We have as good a chance as anybody if we can make week to week improvement and put this game behind us.
September 7th, 2014 at 4:58 PM ^
We forced no turnovers against App. State. The turnover battle does not seem like one we're going to win with regularity.
September 7th, 2014 at 6:13 PM ^
September 7th, 2014 at 8:16 PM ^
I added my upvote to your comment Danny. There are, evidently, a few people here who downvote every post that even hints at optimism, so I guess they have a lot of points to burn, and don't like optimism. And you make a very good point about how we all tend to overreact in both directions.
September 7th, 2014 at 8:29 PM ^
Just exactly what "bright spots" did Glasgow provide last night?
September 7th, 2014 at 5:51 PM ^
For me the bowl losses to Miss State and Kansas State were both far worse then last night. It was ugly but we didn't just get run off the field. For most of the first half it looked like we were a couple of plays away from getting back in it. There were penalties and turnovers, but the real killer was the O-line imploding again. That could get better as the season goes on.
September 7th, 2014 at 6:31 PM ^
What gives you any hope that the Oline will improve? Hoke said he thought Miller played good but he looked like the sled we use to teach drive blocking, constantly being pushed backward. I would prefer the HC say nothing instead of making comments that make him look like a blabbering fool.
September 7th, 2014 at 7:00 PM ^
Last year was year 1 for these new linemen, this is the start of year 2. I wasn't surprised they had some regression last year, and will have some bumps this year, but I would now expect the trend to be up generally. They had some good moments last night and some bad ones, but overall they were better than at Penn State last year and I'll take something from that.
September 7th, 2014 at 5:03 PM ^
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September 7th, 2014 at 5:04 PM ^
Stockholm syndrome
September 7th, 2014 at 5:05 PM ^
September 7th, 2014 at 8:34 PM ^
In what world is 100 yards on 35 carries for a 2.9 average "working?"
September 7th, 2014 at 9:13 PM ^
2.9 is "working" in a world where the average last year was 2.5 on the road (for the whole year), and the HC and OL coach were both retained.
(Our average on the road was 5.56 yards/carry in 2010 -- RR's last year here.)
(Just for fun, I looked up Arizona's run average on the road the last few years: 2.9 in year before RR; 4.5 in RR year 1; 5.25 in RR year 2. It's crazy, because I've been told here that the only thing that has any effect on results is the age of the players, and that Michigan's youth is the sole determining factor of Michigan's success.)
September 7th, 2014 at 5:07 PM ^
September 7th, 2014 at 5:12 PM ^
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September 7th, 2014 at 5:25 PM ^
September 7th, 2014 at 5:08 PM ^
Our schedule shapes up with great opportunities to get some confidence back. Obviously an awful game yesterday and we aren't anywhere near looking like a team fans, players, or coaches can be proud of. But the schedule sets up nicely with a cupcakey-game to work out kinks and get our confidence back, a home game against a team that can beat us, a home game against a decent Big Ten team, and a road game against a middling Big Ten team before our next primetime game AT HOME against a solid team with little depth.
Each week is a step up in difficulty. I would be there next week if I could, because I'm not ready to lose hope (or Hoke) yet. I really want to give these guys a chance to prove their mettle, and showing up to support them if I had a ticket would be a good way to do it. We wait all winter and summer for football season. Way too early to write us off, especially when we have a chance to build some momentum with the soft part of our schedule.
*disclaimer: yesterday was very bad. I'm not trying to blow rainbows. I just don't see the sense in "Fire XYZ" posts after 2 games. We still get to play @Rutgers, PSU, @MSU, @OSU, and a Bowl Game to change the tune of big game/road woes*
September 7th, 2014 at 5:16 PM ^
September 7th, 2014 at 5:16 PM ^
If we win atleast 9 games and MSU or OU is included in the 9 then Hoke can stay.
September 7th, 2014 at 8:45 PM ^
The comforting yet troubling thing is that could easily happen this year and we could still suck.
September 7th, 2014 at 8:46 PM ^
September 7th, 2014 at 5:18 PM ^
September 7th, 2014 at 5:19 PM ^
META: Each new board post must begin with code letters that correspond to the stage of grief in which the poster finds himself.
For reference:
D = Denial (eg. we are still young)
A = Anger (eg. Fire 'x')
B = Bargaining (eg. If we can finish with 'x' number of wins...)
Dp = Depression (eg. I can't care anymore)
Acc = Acceptance (eg. Michigan, and the Big Ten for that matter, are irrelevant. But it gives me more time to focus on my other hobby of painting rainbows and pink unicorns!)
September 7th, 2014 at 5:39 PM ^
Yes I am here
September 7th, 2014 at 5:24 PM ^
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September 7th, 2014 at 5:37 PM ^
The man has an even less proven track record than Hoke did as a HC. Family pedigree? The only one worth a damn is Bob. The rest are coordinators or position coaches. Mark Stoops sucked as a HC.
September 7th, 2014 at 5:47 PM ^
September 7th, 2014 at 5:57 PM ^
I don't know who would be my home run hire. I don't know if there even is one. All I know is that Stoops is only entering his second season at UK. Bo coached for 6 years at Miami. UM needs someone with a far more proven track record.
September 7th, 2014 at 6:47 PM ^
September 7th, 2014 at 5:50 PM ^
Maybe we should hire Zak Tressel?
September 7th, 2014 at 6:06 PM ^
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September 7th, 2014 at 6:09 PM ^
September 7th, 2014 at 6:44 PM ^
1. Rod Carey - NIU. He'd be my #1 choice, Harbaugh notwithstanding, 'cause I just don't see that happening, although if it did, I'd treat my body like an amusement park ad nauseum.
2. Matt Campbell - Toledo.
3. Dave Clawson - Wake Forest
4. Ken Niumatalolo - Navy
5. Matt Wells - Utah State
6. Matt Mitchell - Grand Valley State (yes, I'm quite serious)
Hell, I'd take Pat Narduzzi at this point.
September 7th, 2014 at 6:49 PM ^
September 7th, 2014 at 6:57 PM ^
And I still stand by my list.
EVERY single one would be better than Mike Freaking Stoops.
His pedigree pales in comparison to the coaches on my list.
Bob has done well at OU. Mike got fired at Arizona because he sucked gigantic hairy balls.
Mark will be fortunate to win a single $EC game this season, only because Vandy sucks.
September 7th, 2014 at 7:28 PM ^
September 7th, 2014 at 7:35 PM ^
You've taken two names off the list and pooh-poohed them.
The fact that you even mentioned Stoops is disturbing.