Washington Fires Jimmy Lake
November 15th, 2021 at 7:21 AM ^
Potent Potables.
November 14th, 2021 at 7:16 PM ^
The one example I can think of is John Cooper being replaced with Tressel. But his program was dealing with NCAA issues, including players competing with 0.0 GPAs. It wasn't strictly about wins and losses.
In any event, Cooper was there for 13 years - the longest tenure of any OSU coach since Woody Hayes.
November 15th, 2021 at 10:26 AM ^
It basically worked once with Jim Tressell. Finding diamonds in the rough or moving a D-II guy up to D-1 requires a lot of luck for it to work out. OSU just has this way of stumbling into gold.
November 14th, 2021 at 7:10 PM ^
I like how people point at other poor hirings and say "see that's us if we would fire Harbaugh!!!!?!!!) You don't know that
We may not know that, but we know that Harbaugh does not represent our floor as a program, given that the two coaches before him did far worse.
November 14th, 2021 at 7:31 PM ^
I like how people think finding a guy who can beat Ohio State is just one coaching search away. It's statistically way more likely to get a bad hire than a good one.
November 14th, 2021 at 5:08 PM ^
I wonder how the transfer (can't think of his name off the top of my head) feels about his decision? Washington has been a debacle all year.
November 14th, 2021 at 5:17 PM ^
Giles Jackson
November 14th, 2021 at 10:30 PM ^
Jackson may feel worse that he had 167 yards receiving in 5 games at Michigan last season yet he only has 87 in 10 games this season.
November 14th, 2021 at 5:42 PM ^
He might feel the same way that Xavier Worthy feels—Texas has been just as big a debacle.
November 14th, 2021 at 5:57 PM ^
Worthy is at least getting the ball in his hands and setting himself up well for a future in the pros.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure he’d rather be winning, but I doubt he’s feeling as bad as Giles.
November 14th, 2021 at 6:00 PM ^
I guess it comes down to whether a player wants to play for a team that can at least contend for a conference championship. If that doesn't matter, then piling up numbers like Worthy is doing will enable him to leave for the NFL at the first opportunity.
Or transfer to Alabama.
November 14th, 2021 at 6:42 PM ^
Worthy said he wanted to win the Heisman and go pro after year three. He has a better chance to do that at Texas with the pass happy system they use, compared to here. I can imagine his numbers being a third of what he has at Texas if he had stayed at Michigan.
November 14th, 2021 at 7:56 PM ^
Worthy has 49 catches for 831 yards wlth 11 TDs and 17 ypc as a true freshman, and is headed to the NFL draft in the early rounds, in a modern office that uses WRs. Still has a few games to go. He will be drafted high and not be on the list of skill players that have potential but we just don't know so let's draft them in the 5th round and see if we knew more then UM about them.
Our top 2 receivers combined have that many catches. (excluding TEs)
Ronnie Bell had 48 catches his best year for comparison.
Worthy made a great decision and will be a 1st/2nd round pick - he would not be showcased here. We are Wisconsin.
November 14th, 2021 at 5:45 PM ^
I mean, TBH, if it's true that Jackson left because he was upset that Joe Milton got passed by Cade, then it's for the best. Milton is very gifted, but isn't accurate enough to be a P5 QB. It's addition by subtraction in that case.
November 14th, 2021 at 6:29 PM ^
I feel that everyone claims Milton is "gifted."
My question is why? Because he can throw a football further than a lot of human beings?
He's a terrible football player. Not trying to take a shot at the young man, but no pocket awareness, absolutely zero touch on (you pick it) short/medium/long throws, and has no chance of reading a defense.
November 14th, 2021 at 7:21 PM ^
AJ Henning was taking his reps as well. It was a net loss of 0 + we don't have the headache or culture killer.
Of the Milton/Jackson loss...Xavier Worthy was the biggest casualty, not those two.
November 14th, 2021 at 8:00 PM ^
If Milton is gifted there isn't a D1 player you don't find gifted.
November 14th, 2021 at 9:11 PM ^
Still probably better than Joe Milton feels about his.
November 14th, 2021 at 5:08 PM ^
Translation: the team has taken a nose dive since Chris Peterson and Pete Kwiatkowski have left. Oh, and he pushed a player.
November 14th, 2021 at 5:23 PM ^
There was also the incident where a certain player was filmed screaming vulgarities (at minors?) while exiting the tunnel at Michigan Stadium.
I feel for Lake because he was probably trying to get control of a totally undisciplined team. In the end, it just didn’t happen.
November 14th, 2021 at 5:44 PM ^
To try to cut some slack to Giles Jackson, his move to Washington turned out to be maybe the worst West Coast team he could have chosen. But at the time of choosing, Washington was projected to be a contender for the PAC12 title. Then they lose to Montana. And then Michigan dominates them.
A decision turning out that bad can be a lot to handle.
But still, he shouldn't have done it.
November 14th, 2021 at 6:34 PM ^
End of the day, I feel he just wasn't good enough to play here.
Bell was going to be WR #1, CJ #2.
It was evident Wilson was also just better at football than Jackson. Leaving out Sainristil, Henning and Anthony, at best Giles would have been the #4 target.
November 14th, 2021 at 5:20 PM ^
Does this have any impact, positive or negative, on that 5* tackle we’re after?
November 14th, 2021 at 5:29 PM ^
After watching Hayes get whipped on a ton of snaps yesterday one would hope he sees playing time is available
November 14th, 2021 at 5:36 PM ^
If it wasn’t so overused, I’d put in the “sick burn “gif. Hayes had a very very rough game yesterday. He’s supposed to be one of our stars, and I know the pen state defensive and is very good, but hayes was a turnstile yesterday.
November 14th, 2021 at 6:32 PM ^
He's playing himself into a late (very late) round pick. Descending however if he can redeem himself against OSU all will be forgotten.
November 14th, 2021 at 7:03 PM ^
Things have generally trended negatively for both JC and Jackson lately but of the two UM is in better shape for JC.
If UW gets a hire done quickly a lot can change in a single conversation or visit. When a kid is willing to go across the country they'd often rather stay close to home. When they want to leave the area there is still usually factors that make staying home an option. That's all recruiting 101 stuff, not inside or personal info.
If a betting man I'd say JC ends up at UM after a late push by UW and Jackson goes to Bama in the yearly "5 star loves Michigan but hands them the silver medal" recruitment that is just tradition at this point.
November 14th, 2021 at 5:24 PM ^
Damn. Giles Jackson, was it worth it?
November 14th, 2021 at 5:45 PM ^
Seriously though look at the WR room and even without Ronnie Bell how would Jackson have gotten in the field except as a returner.
November 14th, 2021 at 5:33 PM ^
Warren Moon still out there?
November 14th, 2021 at 5:36 PM ^
Wow, they didn't even try to fire him for cause. I'm no lawyer but striking a player on camera can't be ok can it? I mean...if they fire him for cause and he sues (all but inevitable) then UW has their day in court. This way they just cave and pay him the $$$. I guess they skip the legal costs and the drawn out neg publicity but wow. Maybe the ghost of Rick Neuheisel is out there somewhere. These schools just cut bait and move on. It's a revolving door...or a roulette wheel.
November 15th, 2021 at 12:29 AM ^
suspending a guy for one game and then trying to turn around and fire him for the same thing a week later (without any new information coming to light) is asking for a massive lawsuit that you aren't likely to win....if they were going to fire him for cause it needed to be after that incident and even then it wasn't a clear cut thing and they'd be on shaky ground....
November 15th, 2021 at 4:50 AM ^
They'd totally win the lawsuit. You just make the immediate supervisor a patsy for doling out only a suspension for an obviously fireable offense.
We don't know what the buyout they're paying is. I bet it's not the full payout. The suspension was presumably only to give them time to negotiate a lower buyout, with the idea that he agrees or gets fired for cause and has to go to court to try to get anything.
November 15th, 2021 at 5:46 AM ^
so now you're trying to fire two people for cause and have to deal with the additional lawsuit from the supervisor you made into a patsy (who probably made that decision out of a huge committee meeting with many higher ups and notes would have been recorded)....I don't have the legal background to say who wins in this scenario, perhaps you do (and even then, doesn't it always depend on the lawyers and judges involved), but again it seems like if you were going to straight up fire the guy it'd have be as part of the punishment for the incident which they already handled in this case with a one game suspension....In terms of negotiating a lower buyout, I don't have any experience in that area with how that works, so can't comment there.....
November 14th, 2021 at 5:36 PM ^
Then this bit of insider stuff goes public:
“He had to go,” source told @ActionNetworkHQ. “The recruiting was worst it’s ever been. We were fearing we’d revert back to the (Ty) Willingham days. He had very few allies here"
November 14th, 2021 at 7:22 PM ^
Josh Conerly, come on down!!!
November 14th, 2021 at 5:43 PM ^
He is a bad head coach and a bad recruiter. And the program lacks discipline. But otherwise , things were going smoothly.
November 14th, 2021 at 5:48 PM ^
Other than that Mrs. Lincoln how was the play?
November 14th, 2021 at 5:46 PM ^
I am still not sure why he keeps/kept the safeties so deep all game long. I was told back in the 70's that the safety is the safety is the safety but that far back all season has to be a record (doesn't it?) if anyone keeps tabs on that metric.
November 14th, 2021 at 5:57 PM ^
I’m genuinely surprised at what a tire fire UW has been. Lake seemed to be a fantastic up and coming coach. Of course I said the same thing about Rick Neuheisel, Dan Hawkins and Gary Barnett…man has Colorado had some bad luck with coaches.
November 14th, 2021 at 6:13 PM ^
Dan Hawkins was the one that really puzzled me—his resume seemed like a guaranteed winner at a place like CU.
Barnett's career at CU wasn't exactly terrible—he won or shared four BIG 12 North titles—but it was scandal-plagued and ultimately it was his undoing. He seems to be kind of a scumbag.
November 14th, 2021 at 6:19 PM ^
That's what tends to happen when before the season people say you'll be a contender for a conference title and even the CFP due to a lot of returning talent and a manageable schedule and you end up potentially missing bowl eligibility entirely.
November 14th, 2021 at 6:28 PM ^
Others may be right that it's an overreaction to fire a coach for swatting a player.
However, the university's statement referred to "a variety of reasons, both on and off the field." A few reasons occur to me:
• Smacking someone. Few areas of public life make it acceptable to smack a fellow human being, whether or not it causes injury.
• Failure of leadership/Denial of dignity. No one in a university is allowed to hit a student in their charge. Whether a slug or a glancing blow, it violates human dignity.
• Losing control. A major representative of a public institution can't be so ruled by angry emotions that they act on them.
• Repeated act. A report said Lake earlier shoved a player in a locker.
• "have academic prowess." It's embarrassing that your public representative claims to have higher standards BUT uses an awkward phrase that's not smart.
• Add the team's poor record under his leadership, and that helps tilt the scale toward firing.
November 15th, 2021 at 1:21 PM ^
Using the word slug is a terminable offense.
-Coach B
November 14th, 2021 at 6:29 PM ^
Hire that ex-Wash.State coach
November 14th, 2021 at 6:38 PM ^
This should go well
November 14th, 2021 at 6:31 PM ^
I assume this helps UM going after Conerly, which was already trending Blue anyway.
November 14th, 2021 at 6:50 PM ^
maybe wash and wash st just trade coaches