Spath report on offense: There is a disconnect on gameday

Submitted by Wolverine Devotee on September 11th, 2019 at 11:00 AM

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On the offense so far: "I saw enough in the spring and in fall practices to know that what they wanted to be and what they have been are two very different things. And it's incredibly concerning. I think a lot of our fears about 'control' are coming to fruition. All the offseason talk about this being Josh Gattis' offense has thus far been talk. Jim's fingerprints are all over this. There's no aggressiveness. Certainly no speed in space. This is a ball-control, heavy reliance on the running game, limit mistakes, win-with-defense approach. That's how they went into the Ohio State game last year, and we know how that turned out.

"They're doing it out of different formations, out of a shotgun, no-huddle, and with zone reads instead of power, but it's still a run-first, conservative mentality.

West Coast Struttin

September 11th, 2019 at 12:07 PM ^

Will be interesting to see how Peters does at Illinois this year. So far - he is looking like Brett Favre ...

BoFan

September 11th, 2019 at 12:51 PM ^

Spath who?  

His writing reads like BS.  Never believe anything when the writer, or speaker, feels the need to over use superlatives.  I mean who would ever say “impeccable” anonymous “insiders” except a BSer. 

I am surprised he did say something like: 

“Believe me, I have the most incredible insiders and they are all telling me how great my story is and that it is going to be tremendous”

Postage1

September 11th, 2019 at 1:16 PM ^

 Very simple. Win the Wisconsin game. Be excited that the Army game did not result in a loss. All the goals are still there for the taking. Lose ?  Oh boy . the shit storm will be real 

BBQJeff

September 11th, 2019 at 1:23 PM ^

I've been very critical of the offense in the Army game.   Having said that, we also played MTSU and threw 25 passes in the first half.   That was about what we averaged per game last year.  

I think it's premature to assume that this is last year's O without the huddle and with the only difference being formation.

I'm highly skeptical of how good this O will be but I'm not going to just write it off after 2 games.  That is too small of a sample size for me.  

J. Lichty

September 11th, 2019 at 1:39 PM ^

This is a really simplistic "analysis" that is generalizing from results when there are other data points to suggest some other more granular causes other than Jim Harbaugh Hate Offense hot take.  Culprit 1 is Patterson's inability or unwillingness to execute the offense which is a read based offense.  Culprit 2 is play calling that puts doom in motion (and some of this even if not directly on Jim Harbaugh could be inspired by Harbaugh's dictating strategy and Gattis still dictating tactics). 

That said, if Patterson is operating at his Wisconsin level from last year, Spath is busy talking about Harbaugh to the Raiders rather than Harbaugh Hates Winning.  Gattis did not call a good game given Shae's performance, and even cleaning up some of the miscues would have just masked that something is still a little off in the "speed in space" department, but Patterson is the biggest culprit in this narrative, not Harbaugh.  All of that can be true.

TVG_2.0

September 11th, 2019 at 2:09 PM ^

People don’t agree with the statement so automatically=no sources

 

Not saying it’s true or not but I think to automatically assume it’s not is doing yourself a disservice. 

JoeDGoBlue

September 11th, 2019 at 3:02 PM ^

Honestly it’s hard to say exactly what the offense can and will be as much as we’ve fumbled thus far.  

We only had six drives in regulation vs Army that didn’t end in a lost fumble.   Two of those were really nice long TD drives.  Only one was was a three-and-out.  

Sure I’m concerned, but this isn’t the whole MSU “3 TDs on 73 drives” type of thing that they had prior to last weekend. That was based on a big sample size.  

It’ll be curious what our offense looks like if we can string together a few games with 0-1 turnovers per game.  

bluepalooza

September 11th, 2019 at 3:09 PM ^

Harbaugh took Iowa castoff Rudock and he ascended through the year.  I thought Patterson had moxy.  Loved the shushing the MSU crowd last year.  What I saw with Patterson on Saturday was a guy who's injury affected his accuracy and affected him running regardless of what anyone is saying publicly.  Does anyone really think the coaching staff is going to publicly say that they didn't want him running? That tells other teams not to worry about RPO.... I am going on the record and say that when Patterson is healthy Michigan will roll....

bronxblue

September 11th, 2019 at 3:21 PM ^

I'm come to the realization that a lot of "insiders" are basically internet commenters who just happen to know someone on the team.  It's crazy how much of their "inside" knowledge is internally inconsistent and feels mostly like people complaining about the outcome and ignoring all context.

But whatever, welcome to bye week!  Where everyone complains and nothing good happens.

CompleteLunacy

September 11th, 2019 at 5:22 PM ^

Look. Talk is talk. The reality is, Yes, Michigan was conservative...but it didn’t occur in a vacuum. Coach saw 5 fumbles lost in two game. Five! He also saw drops and mental mistakes up the wazoo. Going conservative is a way to mitigate those effects. If we stroll into big games with the same conservative approach, then fine, let’s yell at the coaches. But Michigan didn’t start conservative in these games...they only went there once the mistakes and fumbles started piling up. Now we can still take  umbrage with that approach, but it’s a defensible reaction to *what was actually happening on the field*.

JTGoBlue

September 11th, 2019 at 9:08 PM ^

Spath is a closet Sparty; or at least seems to reflect what Sparty wants to hear..any negative always an issue with the ‘program’ or coaching, or some grave systemic problem. And while I am no expert, his football analysis seems very simplistic, i.e., running the football more on first down against Army is overly ‘conservative ‘.

 

Kevin13

September 12th, 2019 at 6:59 PM ^

Not the offense they hoped to be. Great insight there from Spath anyone can see that. His so called information is seldom anything that is truly informative