QB controversy – is the concern misplaced? Why not play both?

Submitted by treetown on September 8th, 2022 at 9:21 PM

Cade or JJ? JJ or Cade? Are you team Cade or team JJ? Etc. etc.

Why is the QB position somehow immune from rotation or being shared? Tradition and history from the time when the T-formation made the QB the key player in the offense seems to be one factor, but hasn’t the development of football suggest that IF there are two skilled QBs on a team why not play both of them, especially if their strengths are complementary.

Consider we had two great running backs last year, Hassan Haskins and Blake Corum. Neither seemed to diminished or “stunted” by having to share time with the other. This year we have the same situation with Donovan Edwards and Blake Corum. No one seems to mind, worry or care.

When QBs actually called plays it might make a big difference, but it has been 30-40 years since the last NFL QB did so with regularity (e.g. NOT just during hurry up or 2 minute drill time). With overhead observation and awareness of substitution packages, today, most teams would not want the QB to try to call the whole game. There are too many factors to track.

The offensive team already has to adjust to different personnel packages and when people can rotated in and out, so why not the QB?

If it is a question of “getting comfortable with the receivers” – ok, then work on that in practice. The RBs have to get comfortable with the OL and seem to manage.

Running the ball from the QB position will lead to hits and hits lead to injury – that is inevitable, so if you got two QBs, play them.

If one QB is overwhelming better – then it makes sense to go with the best player, but in a rare case like we have here (and like we have with the RBs) why not try to make the most positive of the situation rather than hide behind ‘well it is tradition’ and ‘if you have 2 QBs you have no QBs saying’. Play them both and make opposing defense work harder!

Go Blue!

Rather be on BA

September 9th, 2022 at 10:28 AM ^

Playing both makes sense if McNamara is substantially better at certain things than JJ.  If that doesn’t prove to be the case and there isn’t much separation wrt accuracy and decision making, there is no benefit to playing both. JJ adds elements Cade can’t, if he also can do the other stuff well too, Cade doesn’t add anything. That said, it’s TBD if JJ can do that and even Hawaii won’t tell us.  I think we have enough talent on this offense for JJ to not feel like he has to carry the load on his shoulders and play within himself while still having the cannon arm and legs to make plays.  He’s my pick for those reasons. Cade was the right guy last year. JJ is likely the right guy this year.  Either way, good problem to have. 

Vasav

September 9th, 2022 at 11:26 AM ^

I don't think this is a terrible question, but I don't think it works. And the main reason is the QB, and usually your center, are decision makers. Other positions have to make checks or calls and be on the same page - but the QB and the Center make checks and calls that PUT people on that page., and then the QB distributes the ball to where it needs to go - and that latter part is critical too. Even if you create a system where someone else is on the field for all/the majority of the snaps, and can make pre-snap decisions, the post-snap decision making for a QB affects the all 10 other players in a way that not even the center can do.

On D, usually one of your LBs or Safeties takes on a similar role and rarely leaves the game. But they are still more like centers than QBs. There's a reason that in the ultimate team game, quarterback is still the most important position.

One last thing - the JJ package last year was a successful example of platooning QBs. But it only worked because a) Cade was the better QB last year, and b) JJ has physical skills Cade lacks. Even then, those plays probably had limited reads compared to what Cade was expected to make. That said - it IS an example of what you're talking about working, and not the craziest thing either - Tim Tebow got his start that way, Denard had a similar role like that in 2009 behind Forcier, and way back that's how Randall Cunningham first got on the field for the Eagles behind Ron Jaworski. It's not exactly what you're asking, and I don't think it's the way for Cade to find time if he loses the starting job, but it is an example of platooning QBs that does have precedent and does work.

GGV

September 9th, 2022 at 12:46 PM ^

I could make an argument to use them like pitchers.

JJ as the starter. Fast start, more passing based offense, get some quick scores. Most games, we'd only need him for 2 quarters then he could rest / not risk injury.

Bring in Cade as a closer. Switch the offensive gears toward run-heavy and short passing. Score less but run the clock.

Still use Orji as the red zone and short distance wildcat.

Navy1972

September 9th, 2022 at 1:19 PM ^

Why is this getting so overwhelmingly downvoted? If you disagree, make your own contrary argument. JJ has the obvious traits. Does he have the intangibles? He may very well, but I trust Harbaugh and Weiss more than I trust you nobodies. Downvote the hell outta me. Or counter my view . 

 

 

 

JonathanE

September 9th, 2022 at 2:10 PM ^

The Michigan offense under Cade last season had a lot of positives but it also had trouble getting into the endzone. For all the things which could have given Michigan a win in East Lansing last year the fact that Cade got the Michigan offense 5 time into the redzone but only came away with 4 field goals and 1 touchdown is a telling stat. Against Colorado State, it was more of the same, stalled drives which lead to field goals and not touchdowns. 

Cade has shown everyone what he is. He is not going to suddenly rev up the offense. He will check down, make steady throws and Michigan's offense and defense will carry the team through most of the difficulties. Cade is not going to be the guy to lead you down the field when you have to score a touchdown. 

So, with all of that, why are you pulling McCarthy to put McNamara in? What sort of package plays are you getting with McNamara which you can't get with McCarthy? 

Gohokego

September 9th, 2022 at 2:38 PM ^

Cade is a good qb with great leadership abilities. Does he have the talent of JJ no.  If JJ has similar leadership skills and knowledge of the play book then it's not much of a question who should play.  He opens the run game by being out there and his arm talent is great. 

1408

September 9th, 2022 at 2:44 PM ^

JJ changes everything the moment he steps on the field.  There is automatically one less defender as someone must be assigned to him at all times.  It opens up so much and is reason enough to just play JJ and be done with this.  I, for one, hope tomorrow is a convincing blowout and we can just be done with this.  

Bo Harbaugh

September 9th, 2022 at 4:34 PM ^

It's over. 

Out of respect to the voted captain, respect to the QB who helped changed the culture in the locker room and overcome the past 2 decades of UM futility, and respect to a player that is supposedly on par or close to his back up - Jim started Cade and gave him a shot to potentially win, or at least hold on to the job for a while longer, with a great performance against a buttercup.

Cade's play was less than stellar, to say the least, and JJ actually outplayed him and the offense looked much better in his many fewer drives and minutes on the field.

Now JJ gets his start agains a buttercup.  If he plays well, which we all expect, this thing is over - at least until there is an unfortunate injury or JJ is having a disastrous game.

Whatever controversy there was, Cade made the decision much easier for Harbaugh in the last game, and I expect after tomorrow, we can bury the idea of QB controversy for a good while.

Anybody with eyes can see the tools and talent JJ has - you can't keep that on the bench - specifically when this type of playing time will prep him for better opponents later in the year.

He's a running threat, has a better arm, and Cade's one advantage (field manager) is nowe questionable as he often misses open receivers and doesn't read the game that well post snap.

If Cade's one advantage over JJ is pre-snap reads, there is no competition here.  It's over. JJ will get better with that with more playing time.

WestQuad

September 10th, 2022 at 9:22 AM ^

Other teams have had two QBs play, but I think there is something to knowing that you're the guy.  JJ presses because he wants to win the job.  Cade isn't playing with confidence because he's looking over his shoulder.  

UofM fandom is a little crazy right now.  It's like that TV show that had McDreamy or McSteamy.  Or that werewolf movie with team something and team something else.  We're like a bunch of teenaged K-pop fans voting for their favorite.

I say we give them some mideval swords to solve this and get our quickening on.