Pre-BTT final basketball open thread

Submitted by Bambi on

Obviously we have our game at 4:30 on CBS, but right now a good one for the regular season AAC title is going with #10 Cinci @ #11 Wichita State. Cinci is up 37-36 at the half, crowd is electric in Wichita.

No other major conference games today really. A bunch of smaller conference tournaments have games today including:

  • Liberty @ Radford at 1 for the Big South title on ESPN
  • Illinois State vs Loyola-Chicago at 2 on CBS for the MVC title (neutral site, Loyola is projected as a 12 seed in a lot of spots so if they lose they might steal a bid as an at-large)
  • Lipscomb @ FGCU at 3 on ESPN for the Atlantic Sun title

 

CLion

March 4th, 2018 at 2:59 PM ^

Wichita loss should bump us one spot on the S curve. I'd put as at about 14 right now.

I'd take a 4 seed in the Xavier region in a heartbeat over a 3 seed.

funkywolve

March 4th, 2018 at 3:44 PM ^

They have the 4th hardest SOS and 23rd toughest NCSOS.  They are 18-7 against the RPI top 100 with 10 of those being quandrant 1 wins.

What teams with less then 7 losses would you put ahead of them as number seed? Virgiina is 28-2 and both Xavier and Nova are 27-4.  I think most people have those 3 as number one seeds.  Purdue is 28-5 but their SOS, NCSOS and quandrant 1 wins don't compare to Kansas.  Duke and Auburn are 25-6.  Auburn SOS and NCSOS are in the same boat as Purdue.  I think you could make an argument for Duke being a 1 seed.  Cincy is 26-4 but their SOS and NCSOS aren't even in the same ballpark as Kansas and Kansas has more quandrant 1 wins then Cincy has games against quandrant 1 teams.  

You can keep going down the list of teams but there aren't many that have an overall resume that compares to KU.

CLion

March 4th, 2018 at 3:57 PM ^

The problem with SOS is that it is extremely dependent on strength of conference, which is essentially established in non-conference play in November and December. Now personally, I think the B12 is indeed pretty deep and KU is very good. At the same time, I'm not sure that a team like Texas or OU is considerably better (if at all) than Nebraska/PSU.

OU's performance in the non-con alone had a huge impact on the B12 apparent strength, despite the fact that once people adjusted to Young, they turned out to be more of a bubble team than a top 5 team. An algorithm isn't going to recognize that though.

CLion

March 4th, 2018 at 3:42 PM ^

Bracketologists are absolutely in love with the SEC. I do not get it. Auburn's best non con win was Mid Tenn neutral. They also lost to Temple. Tennessee has a solid resume, but I would say it's very comparable to ours yet they are a solid 3 seed on bracketmatrix (Auburn being the top 3).

AZBlue

March 4th, 2018 at 3:16 PM ^

I have been giving some thought to Izzo's postgame comments about our defense that focused on "Jimmies and Joes" yesterday.  I think he has a bit of a point.

I give coaches props for the scheme (i.e. finding ways to keep Duncan in the paint and variations on zones) and another year of focus.  I give the team in general credit for a clear uptick and effort and pride on the defensive end.

 

As for specific players...Here is how I rank M's top 4 players on D in both Perimeter and Post defense last year.  Let me know hwat you think.

Perimeter - 2016-17 -- Maar, Irvin, Walton, Simpson (Swap Walton and Irvin? -- X would be higher but couldn't be kept on the floor for other reasons)  2017-18 -- Simpson, Matthews, Maar, Simmons

Interior/Post -- 2016-17 -- Wilson, Wagner, Robinson, Donnal (LOL) -- 2017-2018  Teske, Wagner, Robinson/Livers

Pretty significant upgrades accross the board on the player end.  On the perimeter a slighly better(?) MAAR is clearly down to 3rd on the list and in the post I see every position as better ---(Wilson was great but playing at the 5 was not as effective as he could have been at the 4).

With Simpson, Matthews, and Teske back and another year of seasoning for Livers and Poole the 2018-19 Defense looks pretty good as well even before factoring in newcomers.

Future is bright!  But also Izzo is right that talent/athletes make a big difference on our D.

Bambi

March 4th, 2018 at 3:55 PM ^

ASUN title game looks to be over at the half. FGCU is getting crushed, down 60-31 at home to Lipscomb. 

Loyola up 15 on Illinois State with 2:45 left so that one looks close to done as well.