OT - US Treasury Direct

Submitted by MGoArchive on March 10th, 2023 at 7:14 PM

As you may have heard, the 2nd largest bank failure in US history occurred today - https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/global-markets-banks-wrapup-1-2023-03-10/

Little tip I learned from my Dad (the real master of coin) - the only entity that's safe enough to hold  >= $250K cash is the United States Treasury.

The 1-Month US T-Bill presently yields 4.7% - https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US1M

You can open a Treasury Direct account and buy the bonds yourself, it's very easy - https://www.treasurydirect.gov/

BlueCE

March 10th, 2023 at 7:31 PM ^

It has been an insane couple of days in tech land. Yesterday VCs started emailing us to move money from SVB if we had it there, Rippling had issues with payroll. Hopefully they find a white knight during the weekend

trustBlue

March 10th, 2023 at 7:44 PM ^

Tbh, this is likely what caused the run.

Seems like SVB would have likely remained solvent in the long term, but VCs emailing their portfolio companies led to hundreds of companies trying to withdraw their money all at once, and the FDIC decided to step in quickly to keep the panic from spreading.

NittanyFan

March 10th, 2023 at 7:48 PM ^

It’s a little crazy to me that so MANY startup firms were with this one bank.  I read 97% of their accounts were $250k plus, that strikes me as remarkably high (very few personal accounts).  Why?  What was SVB’s purported competitive advantage?

(I know my previous company, we used SVB, yes we were a smaller venture backed firm)

BlueCE

March 10th, 2023 at 8:18 PM ^

We started with SVB but moved several years ago. Many VCs had a requirement that the $ be deposited at SVB. They also offered great debt products. Very flexible and good customer support. It is sad, they were a great bank that helped a lot of startups when other banks would not.

alum96

March 10th, 2023 at 8:42 PM ^

The wolves nursing at the teet of the sheep for 3 decades, turning on the sheep in 36 hours.

Sort of hilarious to see the white knights on twitter shouting "I'll keep my $13M in SVB!"

Meanwhile real money like Thiel is out there telling all his peeps to pull every last penny.

This will get straightened out but as another person said, having money for payroll next week or next month is going to be an issue for a lot of Silicon Valley's younger money.

ckersh74

March 10th, 2023 at 8:23 PM ^

The only bond I own is one I very recently bought from DTE Energy, a 5.2% coupon rate, bought just a bit over par (like 100.400, or something like that). Matures in 2033. Here's the bright idea I had with that one: I've got a mortgage at 2.5% that I'm in no hurry to pay off, for obvious reasons. However, by the end of the decade I'm going to be in my mid 50s, so I'd like to be out of debt by then. I'll make my usual monthly payment, and when I receive the bond interest, I'll apply that to the mortgage as well. I've run amortization schedules to figure out where I'm going to be at the end of 2030. At that point I'll sell the bond and pay off the mortgage. I don't want to be approaching my 60s with a mortgage hanging over my head. I don't need the aggravation. 

The rest of my portfolio consists of S&P 500 index funds (in my 401k), a taxable brokerage that has the above bond and some steady stocks that pay dividends (Clorox, 3M, Coke, etc), and a Roth account that holds dividend growth stocks (Lowe's, Goldman Sachs, Abbvie, etc). The theory is that at some point I'll draw the dividends from the Roth to cover my living expenses. I'm baking in a 25% reduction in Social Security benefits in this plan as well. The taxable brokerage can cover any minor supplementary income, and the 401k is my ICE fund (In Case of Emergency). 

The next two decades are going to reveal just how good of an idea this is, either way...

ckersh74

March 10th, 2023 at 9:19 PM ^

It’s a local credit union where I bank. I’ve got a 2.5% rate, so I’m not in THAT big of a hurry to pay it off, but I’m trying to balance that with not holding a mortgage the entire time I’m working. I figure 2030 is about the right balance. Oh, and I do t think they’ll accept partial payments like you suggested.

I’ve chosen to take the excess cash that would go to the mortgage in your scenario and invest it instead. I guess we’ll see how it works, good or bad.

evenyoubrutus

March 10th, 2023 at 8:48 PM ^

Humans have evolved for tens of thousands of years from hunter gatherer to agrarian to industrialist to earning a living from fake numbers. Kinda unbelievable when you consider that as a society we think we've gotten smarter.

BlueWolverine02

March 11th, 2023 at 12:29 AM ^

I think I was getting about 4.5% when I started.  Around 5% with my latest T-bill.  It's more work but only in that I have to remember to set it up every month.  Only takes about 5 minutes.  I'm not dealing with huge sums of money here, <$100k. Part of me thinks I should be putting it in the market, but it's money I see myself needing in the near term and don't want to worry about market being down when I'm ready to buy a new car.

Sultans17

March 11th, 2023 at 12:41 PM ^

OP, first of all, this is very helpful, thanks!  I'm in the investment business, and recently bought T-Bills for my personal account, it's easy and is literally the safest investment in the world. Due to some interesting shifts in the yield curve and equity appetite, it's also a pretty good place to park your money while you wait for stocks to cheapen. 

Which may happen soon. The real significance of SIVB's failure to me is the possible end of the YOLO/Free money from the Fed/Gamestop/Stocks only go up investor mindset. 

I believe Washington Mutual WAMU's failure in 2008 led to depositors who kept over $250,000 there receiving 50c on the dollar back (above the FDIC guaranteed 250k), as alluded to by MgoArchive above. Between that and Lehman, investor confidence was so eroded that the Fed took unprecedented emergency steps, including QE, (basically printing money). 15 years later the Fed has not drained more than a tiny fraction of that QE from the system, hence, inflation. Investors have been conditioned to believe  "the Fed will save the day" for 15 years, and that may finally be ending. Friday's events may be the "black swan" investors fear that turns markets 180 degrees. Or the Fed may just change the market's diaper and give it some more free money. Wish I knew!

M-Dog

March 12th, 2023 at 9:53 PM ^

It feels like the Fed will hold the line this time.  We will know more in a couple of weeks.  If they go with a .50 rate hike, they will be messaging that they mean business. 

I'm all for it.  Rip the the bandaid off all at once.  End the endless stream of "Meme stocks are back!" articles.  The free money party is over.  No, Robinhood and r/wallstreetbets arrogants, this time is NOT different.