OT: Urban Meyer Says: "Cardale Jones STILL didn't come to play School" (paraphrased)
Oh, those pesky college class requirements for COLLEGE athletes. They apparently get in the way of player development, especially in the case of Cardale Jones.
Jones infamously stated that he "ain't come to play SCHOOL", and his coach Urban Meyer backs up why this was such a concern to Mr. Jones:
“A really good skill set, intellectual, very smart, wasn’t necessarily very good at school. I wonder if that kind of set him back a little bit. That’s one difference between pro and college — now he doesn’t have to worry about classes and going to school and all that stuff. He can focus completely on football.”
I am sure Mr. Jones is much relieved that the burden of getting an education no longer stands in the way of football. We can also all breathe a sigh of relief for this heavily burdened young man. /s
April 18th, 2016 at 11:24 AM ^
Oh, wait...
April 18th, 2016 at 11:28 AM ^
April 18th, 2016 at 10:16 AM ^
I'm glad we can all read this and get our Monday morning dose of superiority.
I think Jones and Urban have a really good point. A minor league is ok in multiple pro sports, and kids can even leap from high school to the pros in other pro sports. But they dont have that option for football. Some kids use a college scholarship in football to get an education, some use it to get to the pros. And we make the latter kids pretend like they are the former kids. Silly.
April 18th, 2016 at 10:33 AM ^
Look at the popularity of college football vs the other professional minor league systems though. College football isn't going anywhere and I don't think there'd be enough star level players who wouldn't want to "play school" to support a separate minor league system. For all the stupidity of the NCAA, they sure have figured out a way to market a product and make a crapload of money for basically doing nothing.
April 18th, 2016 at 10:17 AM ^
April 18th, 2016 at 10:18 AM ^
"...now he doesn’t have to worry about classes and going to school and all that stuff. He can focus completely on football.”
"....sign a decent, but not huge NFL contract and make a roster. Play a few years as back up here and there, never really catch on with an NFL franchise and be back in the headlines in about 5yrs due to being involved in some criminal activity back in Ohio"
(is what coach Meyer knows, but didn't want to say)
April 18th, 2016 at 10:24 AM ^
https://twitter.com/CJ12_/status/719569962134847488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
This is in no way a sign of support for Cardale Jones. But I do appreciate him speaking out about the NCAA. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
April 18th, 2016 at 10:23 AM ^
Buckeye fan here. Normally I peruse these boards because the users here are witty and knowledgeable about college football. But man do you guys have your low moments.
Some of you have used this quote as a platform to continue taking shots at Cardale for a tweet he made as a freshman and that he has since apologized for (and been suspended for). I don't agree with your criticism, but that's fine. I guess I can (kind of) see why you still think that's funny.
But the people here who are using that quote to make it sound like Cardale is dumb really confound me. As an initial matter, even if he were dumb, not sure why you think it is fun to make fun of him about it. I'm sure everyone of you is lacking in some areas, even if intelligence is not one of them.
But the actual point here is that Cardale Jones is not dumb. He rocked a 3.0 GPA at Ohio State. And, no, he was not just taking "basket weaving" courses as suggested below. In fact, that infamous tweet was sent out after Cardale got a "B" in a sociology exam. He had studied so hard for that exam that when he received a "B" he was frustrated, and that frustration led to that tweet. Links: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/106381652/cardale-jones-ohio-state… and http://www.newsday.com/sports/college/college-football/ohio-state-s-car…
This context is important, too, when it comes to those who are criticizing Urban Meyer. Urban knows Cardale rocked a 3.0 GPA and was not "dumb." His comment about Cardale is that he struggled with juggling being the starting QB at a major school and keeping up with his curricular activities. And that maybe now that he will be a pro, he will thrive since he can only focus on football. He was saying that maybe that's why Cardale struggled as a starter and why he may be a steal for any team that takes him. He wasn't taking a shot at Cardale--he was trying to excuse his subpar performance as the starting QB at Ohio State last season.
Again, I get the rivalry. I get the shots at Urban Meyer. But why are you guys taking shots at a kid's intelligence? Especially when those attacks are unsubstantiated? I know it's a dead period in college football but you have nothing else better to do in your lives? Huh.
April 18th, 2016 at 10:33 AM ^
do you have his transcript? his coach just said he wasn't good at school...
April 18th, 2016 at 10:40 AM ^
Read the links I posted. Are you saying that a 3.0 is not good for a scholarship athlete playing for a major Division I football program? Really? Do you also try to make yourself feel better by making fun of the GPAs of the Wolverine football players (because, spoiler, a lot of them likely do not have a 3.0)?
I never understood why making fun of someone else's intelligence is "cool" on these boards. I went to NYU Law and am a practicing attorney in Manhattan. I did well in school. But I was nowhere near as good at sports as these kids are. Maybe we just accept we are all human beings with different strengths and weaknesses but, nonetheless, all our excrement smells just the same?
April 18th, 2016 at 11:00 AM ^
most middleschoolers can get a B in a freshman sociology class.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:47 PM ^
1. How is Cardale Jones' GPA public knowledge?
2. If Cardale Jones has a 3.0 average, then why did Meyer say he was not good at school? I mean Meyer did not say 'he had a hard time juggling school and football.' Instead Meyer said he "wasn't necessarily good at school."
I have no problem with Cardale Jones being an average or even a substantially less than average student. That is true of a lot of college athletes.
But I do not see why Meyer would state that Jones was not good at school to a reporter. Nothing to be gained by stating for all the world to read that Jones was not good at school.
April 18th, 2016 at 10:34 AM ^
I've met him a few times and also found him funny and engaging and quite personable to be honest. And he knew i was a Michigan alum so I agree he gets a bad rap here on the board FWIW.
April 18th, 2016 at 10:51 AM ^
You've managed TEN fakes out of Five.
First, you haven't met CardaleJones.
Second, you are NOT a "Michigan alum"
It's time dolts on this board stop posing by putting their fake degree into every other post.
And all I can say is the poster was extremely well-named.
Internet arrogance. If anyone on this board questioned the intelligence of a current or recent UM grad they'd get a one way ticket to Bolivia and the thread would be closed.
The rivalry is the rivalry and there should be some smack talk, but some of the comments in this thread are totally uncalled for.
Stop throwing stones.
Cardale is alright with me besides when he played against us on Saturdays. For all accounts I've heard that he is a pretty stand up guy. Whether or not he "likes" school doesn't allow me to make a determination of his intelligence or future.
Plus, he gave me a good chuckle and made me look like an ass when he did his May Fool's joke last year on twitter.
April 18th, 2016 at 10:37 AM ^
I'm sure I'll catch hell for this, and though I don't agree with all of your characterizations (specifically in your last sentence), I appreciate you posting those two articles you linked. Actually adds something to the discussion, at least for me.
April 18th, 2016 at 10:39 AM ^
You have either proven that Cardale Jones is not "dumb" or that academics at OSU are even more laughable than I ever imagined. I'm going with the latter.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:59 PM ^
“A really good skill set, intellectual, very smart, wasn’t necessarily very good at school." doesn't necessarily mean that Cardale "didn't play school."
Cardale could have been an extremely hard working at OSU student, but wasn't necessarily good at it. Believe it or not, school is hard for some individuals, it doesn't mean they're dumb, it could just means they're not talented in a didactic setting.
So not matter how hard Cardale worked, maybe his ceiling was a 3.0 GPA, or he didn't have football/extracurriculars to worry about he could have done a little better.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:51 AM ^
A 3.0 from ohio state will get anyone what a 3.0 at an average public university will get you.
The chance to interview for entry level jobs at most larger companies and industries and a very limited number of graduate programs, based on GPA (though with respect to the former, no doubt many buckeye-friendly employers who'd hire Cardale as a favor and ahead of a normal 3.0 student).
Good luck in the NFL Cardale ...may your cannon-like arm, humor and self-depricating ways (though so grossly misunderstood and quoted all these years) take you farther than your 3.0 GPA and ohio state degree ever could.
Save the money and work with an investment advisor and you'll come out on the other end way ahead (financially) of the other 27 & 28yr olds at that same stage of life and career.
I actually kinda like him.
April 18th, 2016 at 10:32 AM ^
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April 18th, 2016 at 11:06 AM ^
It's not a "gimmicky" offense. It's a very good offense for college teams, but one that doesn't necessarily require the skills needed in different offenses (such as those found on a number of teams in the NFL). So in that way, it can hide the flaws of guys better than other offenses. But put Cam Newton or Aaron Rogers in a Meyer offense and they would dismantle teams.
it's a gimmick. there's a reason it doesn't work in the NFL.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:17 PM ^
April 18th, 2016 at 11:06 AM ^
It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:18 AM ^
But I think it looks worse for us to take pot shots at a national championship winning quarterback.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:28 AM ^
Really? Meyer's comments look a lot worse than what posters from an opposing fan base have to say. Between his interview and Cardale's tweet from a few years ago, the door was opened about as far wide as it can get to expect pot shots.
Other people who have won national championships in recent memory:
- Josh Heupel
- Ken Dorsey
- Craig Krenzel
- Matt Mauck
- Chris Leak
- Matt Flynn
- Tim Tebow
- Greg McElroy
Nobody is dismissing Jones for having won a title, but that doesn't negate the fact he acted like he could barely care about school, made dumb statements about said beliefs on social media, had said beliefs seemingly supported by his head coach, and lost his job at a starting QB only a couple of games into this year.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:21 AM ^
who only started a handful of games and was maybe a bit above average, won't have a successful NFL career. I doubt he ever starts a full season. He will serve as the journeyman back-up for a couple years and be out of the league. Like most NFL players. You have to be really good to stay in the NFL, and at this point, unless something changes, he's not at that level. Maybe he should have stayed and got that degree. He's going to need it.
April 18th, 2016 at 11:30 AM ^
I'm sure Mr. Jones would be doing something like curing cancer.... What's he going to do when his football career is done in a few years?
April 18th, 2016 at 11:35 AM ^
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April 18th, 2016 at 12:34 PM ^
told y'all classes are pointless!!
Cardale I trust will not become the student of the game in the pros he'd need to become to succeed. See, you actually do have to study more in the pros than in college.
Just another in the long line of failed OSU and Urban Meyer QB's. Nothing to see here.
Meyer talked up Tebow before the draft and probably doesn't want to ruin his reputation again. Years later he wouldn't give it up. I can't find his pre-draft comments but here are a couple links after everyone realized Tebow would never be an NFL QB.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000370930/article/urban-meyer-i-st…
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/251663…
Meyer has zero NFL experience and it shows.
I mean, he's the same coach who needed Harbaugh to fix Alex Smith after he got the kid drafted #1 but apparently couldn't read a defense or make half the throws expected for a pro signal caller.
Alex Smith was already at Utah when he got there. He's not the type of QB Meyer would recruit.
Meyer sure seems quick to bury a kid who won him a title. I guess it was supposed to be a positive(?) comment, but saying "he's kind of bad at school stuff, but now he can just focus on throwing the ball somewhat-effectively" is pretty backhanded.
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April 19th, 2016 at 12:19 AM ^
i have head some stupid things but his comment is just plain stupid. maybe some one should say that is what the NFL is. no school. got to go to school to play. bet his grades are below 2.0
April 19th, 2016 at 12:31 AM ^
April 19th, 2016 at 12:54 AM ^
This is how Ohio State "cheats".
They (probably) don't have SEC-level bagmen throwing obscene levels of cash at recruits, but one thing that they do is make clear to recruits is that you can come hang out for a few years on your way to the NFL and you will not have to do any academic work.
From Andy Katzenmoyer to Adolphus Washington to Cardale Jones, we've seen example after example where Ohio State makes it clear that there are no academic demands, and what little there are they will "help" you get through them.
Michigan is not perfect in this area, but they give more than just lip service to actually attending classes and doing actual classwork.
After a decade of Tressel publicly running afoul of every rule he could think of, nothing could be worse than for him to be followed by an SEC coach, one who only left because the only one that could do it better returned. This, not this thread but Urban's arrogance at telling every recruit, "Hey we make offers knowing our players are going to the NFL. We try to limit the intrusions school can have on that, and everyone is on board. Hell man, we're the SEC without the trailer parks.
Was praying that SEC shit would not invade us big time, but him actually recruiting using it as a tool is bad,very bad "we understand school gets in the way shit" makes me sick. He is the fucking epitome of the SEC, hell yes, we play within the rules. That's why we have officials. This worries me. It worries me for the league. Yes, there is no argument about who has the most competitive coach in the league...........maybe a little, they both reside in the same state, but I am more than a bit concerned that others will give into the pressure.
And it pisses me off even more because I think he believes he did nothing wrong. Egocentric behavior, gone unchecked, can lead to nothing but bad. Look at Saban,Carroll and Switzer before them. They all, Switzer and then Carroll and Tressel and probably a few I'm missing didn't stop due to warnings or ncaa interference. They were stopped because what started as a bending of the rules, getting away with it, futher bending, until that branch just couldn't handle the weight any longer snapped. And none of them felt they were doing a damn thing wrong because, "Hell, if I were doing something against the rules, don't you think they would have warned me by now?" Just remember Pryor driving up in that car right in the middle of the investigation. We can hope it stops at Meyer, but look at the SEC and give me your honest opinion. And Fucking Garrett, not only acknowledging USC's transgressions, but praising them because he was the A.D. that was responsible for the Trojan resurgence, "Be honest, do you think there is a program out there that wouldn't gladly trade what we've accomplished in the past ten years compared to what they've done?" It just gets more and more twisted. Our commissioner isn't going to do it, but someone has to say and rather loudly, "Hey ass hat, this is not the SEC. Check yourself or we'll check you in a way you won't like."
You sound like a man who lives in a glass house with a pocket full of rocks...
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