OT: net neutrality vote today.
December 14th, 2017 at 11:56 AM ^
If you think having your WWW access severely limited for $9.99/mo. is some kind of consumer boon, them there will be no way to inform you further...since you’ll only be watching ad-driven video content from 5 sites.
December 15th, 2017 at 12:18 AM ^
on first skim.
Will read.
December 14th, 2017 at 12:07 PM ^
affected that is almost never mentioned but is nonetheless responsible for huge amounts of traffic and dollars spent by its customers: porn.
Is the demand for it sufficiently elastic that customers will pay whatever the cost is, or is there an upper limit beyond which customer resistance will stiffen? What will the thrust of complaints be? Will customer anger swell and grow to a crescendo, and then quickly fall off?
December 14th, 2017 at 12:16 PM ^
How much time each day do you spend on reddit
December 14th, 2017 at 12:49 PM ^
None. I know other people who spend a lot of time there, but I've gone there about three times total.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:07 PM ^
December 14th, 2017 at 12:51 PM ^
One of the people appearing with him during the very charming Harlem Shake portion in this video is Martina Markota, who was instrumental in pushing the ridiculous Pizzagate horseshit at the end of the 2016 campaign.
December 14th, 2017 at 11:07 PM ^
Flippant.
Naive.
A-hole.
Someone needs to tell him it's not our fandom or buying stupid-ass fidget spinners we're worried about.
It's free speech, download speeds, and the ability to meaningfully dissent.
Plus our fandom. As in, don't want more error messages, blog crashes, or having to pay to waste time w/ fellow mgobloggers.
#GoMGoBlog.
December 14th, 2017 at 12:52 PM ^
The no-politics rule should be 100% enforced at all times, even during supposed OT season.
This thread is a perfect reason why. Practically every other post is "you're an idiot" followed by the same point made 7 posts up by someone else calling some other person an idiot.
December 14th, 2017 at 1:10 PM ^
I've long been in favor of an enter at your own risk politics section on the blog. I think keeping it separate from the main board would help.
December 14th, 2017 at 1:59 PM ^
I don't come here for political discussion, and don't understand why anyone would go to a sports blog for one. You can find that literally everywhere else. Further I would put forth that there is no discussion anymore. It's all just 'other side bad' and little else. And that line of thinking is getting to the point of violence, as today's events (bomb threat) show.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:06 PM ^
December 14th, 2017 at 2:14 PM ^
Exactly - this is a great community for disucssion of any sort. Plus it's the only blog I frequent, which I imagine is the case for many on here.
December 14th, 2017 at 4:10 PM ^
Yes, this is exactly the place I want to come to talk about this (not kidding). I know I'm going to find people who are plugged into what's going on and will be able to give a fairly unbiased take. I also know there will be opposing opinions for balance. But the actual knowledge is what I've come to expect and appreciate.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:40 PM ^
December 15th, 2017 at 12:24 AM ^
I'm invested in this issue, have been following it loosely this year & closely all day,
and still learned stuff from the discussion on this blog.
Sports as a fantasy world divorced from the rest of the real world died a timely death this year, you may have noticed... time to let it go...
December 14th, 2017 at 1:31 PM ^
December 14th, 2017 at 1:09 PM ^
December 14th, 2017 at 1:23 PM ^
Net Neutrality has been overturned by a vote of 3-2. Kiss your porn and the rest of your internet freedoms good bye.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:00 PM ^
Sorry, where do you think porn is going?
December 14th, 2017 at 2:01 PM ^
December 14th, 2017 at 2:12 PM ^
Phew... :)
But I've seen that argument a few times and am a bit curious on the background.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:30 PM ^
If Netflix is going to experience slowed down speeds then high traffic sites like PornHub will probably see the same thing.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:31 PM ^
The point is that ISPs will have the ability to charge you different rates for accessing different kinds of websites, content, etc.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:40 PM ^
Right, that point is well understood.
December 14th, 2017 at 3:13 PM ^
from things like Facebook, Twitter or, for that matter, this blog, are going to become more expensive.
December 14th, 2017 at 1:27 PM ^
December 14th, 2017 at 1:52 PM ^
I have actually setup smaller ISPs and have attempted to build these types of businesses. Net neutrality is needed unless you are a large industry player.
As a quick historical reference- in the late 80s and into the 90s the government distributed billions of dollars to AT&T (Worldcom) and others. Over time old Ma Bell was split up into multiple businesses, which today have re-formed again into larger oligrarch conglomerates (Verizon, Comcast, AT&T new, etc..). The dark fiber between cities was paid for by the tax payer but layed out by many different larger companies. This city to city dark fiber connection is a public resource currently being siezed by large companies becasue others are denied access to it (expalin later). The government intention was for these companies to handle the last mile rights from the dark fiber node (city center) to your house. The ISPs build in the most profitable large city locations to maximize profits and have little incentive to build outward into the country lands.
This area is where some niche players reside who have enough technical skill to build community ISPs. This isn't a horribly profitable prosect and usually is done to basically meet local demand needs. The larger players usually will not step into this space because they know they can purchase out the smaller developing businesses at any given time. They allow some small player to exist so that they will not need to take the risk of laying last mile lines to individual and land spaced risky last mile houses.
In one venture that did not go well we attempted to bridge one of these risky setups into more profitable spaces, we directly met with Mr. Pai and the legal machine of Verizon. Our business model would have brought significant speed increases into the city center along with bridging the dark fiber out to the countryside area. The Verizon legal team and purchased local politicians (of both parties) made some calls and our investors immediately pulled the plug. We lost that opportunity and we were forced to sell all existing assets in liquidation. Directly due to the inability to expand and compete from legal resistance, we were forced to shut down our better technical solution. This same resistance is exactly what Google is meeting and why they cannot enter this market as well. When bridging from the cities outward, you require access to the dark fiber node- which Verizon or other big player has more or less legal ownership over at this point.
All competitors have lost the ability to connect to the dark fiber originally paid for by the public. The public should be outraged by this fact. Over the last 20 years there were plenty of potential competitors which were bullied out of the marketplace. It is not a fair or competitve marketplace. The anti-net neutrality companies are more or less in favor of legal piracy over what should be a public utility resource. It is sickening that anyone would support these types. I have met this enemy directly and it is ugly and needs to be changed with public support and by retaking their rightfully owned public dark net highways. I hope there are a few younger UM grads able and willing to take up this fight. We need innovators to change this landscape. That might be our only hope..
December 14th, 2017 at 2:36 PM ^
December 14th, 2017 at 3:32 PM ^
Excellent points KC Wolve. And this is the theme I've been trying to promote all along...the real problem here is a lack of competition. When a company "buys up" politicians, that is a government of cronyism, and it unnaturally limits competition.
We'd all be better off if choosing an ISP was like choosing a grocery store. Hopefully we can get there.
December 14th, 2017 at 4:19 PM ^
The problem is that there is no way to get there without government intervention. It takes a ton of money for ISPs to connect up every house in a neighborhood or city, and with each additional ISPs running wires through a neighborhood there is a diminishing return on the amound of money each individual ISP can make. So after the first couple ISPs it's very hard to make back that initial investment in infrastructure, which is why most places are stuck at a couple ISPs at most.
Now it would be possible for local governments that want to promote competition to provide subsidies to competing companies to build out the infrastructure, but that's government interference in the market and net neutrality opponents are supposedly opposed to any government intervention. And besides, if the government is going to intervene, it's much more efficient to regulate exisiting ISPs to provide a fair playing field than to pay for enough redundant networks to result in a level playing field through natural competition.
So choosing ISPs like a grocery store is pretty much a pipe dream talking point any time in the near future. Maybe there will be technology in the distant future to create competing ISPs without the huge initial infrastructure outlays, but in the mean time net neutrality is the best way to provide a level playing field.
December 14th, 2017 at 5:03 PM ^
All fair points, wile. I like the way you broke it down. Let's hope that the technology to make massive infrastructure outlays unnecessary is closer than the distant future!
December 14th, 2017 at 7:08 PM ^
December 14th, 2017 at 4:59 PM ^
December 14th, 2017 at 5:09 PM ^
I wouldn't expect Comcast to do that, but I think that in the current atmosphere the government is enabling them to prevent private or public competition. What's the basis for the lawsuts against companies/municipalities laying their own fiber? Why are they succeeding at this?
December 14th, 2017 at 9:45 PM ^
December 15th, 2017 at 8:37 AM ^
December 15th, 2017 at 9:34 AM ^
December 15th, 2017 at 9:58 AM ^
Is the artificial blocking of competition NOT a use of force?
December 15th, 2017 at 10:56 AM ^
December 15th, 2017 at 3:02 PM ^
Only by giving the government the authority to regulate and block competition have we enabled corporations to purchase government for their benefit (how many times can I say cronyism?). A government without authority to intervene in the market cannot be bought by corporations (read: free market). This is why cronyism is inconsistent with free market ideology, and it's where I still take issue with your phrasing in the second paragraph.
I will say that in today's regulatory semi-capitalist climate, it is entirely preditable that corporations are buying the government. And we can probably both (all?) agree that's a bad thing.
December 15th, 2017 at 3:27 PM ^
December 14th, 2017 at 3:33 PM ^
Additionally one very innovative kid developed a wireless video channel for use by EMTs and Police. This would have streamed WiFi video for all emergency channels. So imagine if the EMT could video chat with the Dr. on the way to the hospital and the nurses saw the patient before entering the hospital doors. This was an innovative tool configured to be used with the bridging technology. This sort of innovation could save lives. Verizion will prevent it because there is potential to sell alternative devices which would not require cellular services. The hindering of progress could be killing people. It is sad that oligarch players will kill these inventions to protect their bottom line. Net Neutrality is critical to future innovations. We could already have these innovations now.
December 14th, 2017 at 11:32 PM ^
i never caved & went Verizon.
still, am astonished at this level of... evil.
why am i so effin shocked?
December 15th, 2017 at 2:20 AM ^
December 14th, 2017 at 3:15 PM ^
is that those pushing this have been basically saying "Oh we would never do anything like that to you. We just want the rights to do so."
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...
December 15th, 2017 at 12:01 AM ^
Amongst all the other befuddling crap, the fact that politicians are able to say with a straight face, "the companies who have paid millions and millions in lobbying costs to accomplish this very thing have promised us that they won't do anything bad with it".
Wait, I take that back, the absolute craziest thing is that a set of people hear that and think, "welp, sounds good, those multibillion dollar companies said they'll act in my best interest, that's good enough for me. What could go wrong if they promised?"
December 14th, 2017 at 4:07 PM ^
This doesn't sound like Net Nuetrality though. From my understanding NN wouldn't have helped you in that situation at all. This sounds like the government and the people need to take back control of the main lines, and then let the marketplace only exist in the "last mile".
December 14th, 2017 at 4:26 PM ^
It's relevent in that it shows why the "Let the market regulate itself" talking point is a joke. Existing ISPs are going out of their way to kill competition, and without competition there is not way for the market to regulate itself.