February 11th, 2016 at 6:01 AM ^
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February 11th, 2016 at 7:04 AM ^
Take off your lions tinted glasses brah. Swann is right -- Megatron isn't HOF worthy. At least they won a playoff game with Barry. I mean, his numbers were strong but no way is he getting in...too exclusive of a club.
February 11th, 2016 at 7:46 AM ^
It's not Johnson's fault that he is saddled with playing for the worst franchise in the last 50 years. The last time I checked, it's the "Hall of Fame," not the "Hall of Whoever Got to a Super Bowl."
Lynn Swann comes off like a miserable old man with an unsatiable ego. Fuck Lynn Swann.
February 11th, 2016 at 8:05 AM ^
After his playing days, Lynn Swann became the archetypal sideline reporter. I don't mean that in a good way.
February 11th, 2016 at 9:33 AM ^
LOL @ Lions homers (for the record he was on all three of my fantasy teams this past year and I've been a lifelong Lions fan).
His career numbers: 731 receptions; 11,619 yards; 83 TD; 5 time Pro Bowl; 3 time First Team All Pro; 0 Playoff Wins
Hall of Fame Wide Receivers--Modern Day (retired after 1995):
- Tim Brown -- 1,094 receptions; 14,934 yards; 105 TD; 9 time Pro Bowl; 2 Time First Team All Pro; AFC Champion
- Cris Carter -- 1,101 receptions; 13,899 yards; 130 TD; 8 time Pro Bowl; 2 Time First Team All Pro; his teams won multiple playoff games (no Super Bowls)
- Marvin Harrison -- 1,102 receptions; 14,580 yards; 128 TD; 8 time Pro Bowl; 6 Time First Team All Pro; 1 Super Bowl ring
- Michael Irvin -- 750 receptions; 11,904 yards; 65 TD; 5 time Pro Bowl; 3 Super Bowl rings
- Art Monk -- 940 receiptions; 12,721 yards; 3 time Pro Bowl; 2 time First Team All Pro; 3 Super Bowl rings
- Andre Reed -- 951 receiptions; 13,198 yards; 88 TD; 7 time Pro Bowl; played in 4 Super Bowls
- Jerry Rice -- 1,549 receiptions; 22,895 yards; 208 TD; 13 time Pro Bowl; 12 time First Team All Pro; 3 Super Bowl rings
Look at the WR's already ahead of Megatron waiting to get in:
- Randy Moss
- Terrell Owens
- Isaac Bruce
- Torry Holt
- Hines Ward
You're right. It's not the "Hall of Whoever Got to a Super Bowl" but it sure looks that way based on the above I'm sure you'd agree after seeing this...especially for modern-day wide receivers elected into the HOF.
February 11th, 2016 at 9:40 AM ^
think that Calvin Johnson is/was overrated, period. I have never seen a player with better numbers have less impact on the overall disposition of a team. His "quiet gentlemanly" approach came across to me often as casual indifference, and I think the Lions as a team often followed his lead in that regard. The plays that he is most famous for are plays that he did not make instead of plays that he did, and injuries became a major factor relatively early in his career. I think he is/was a very good receiver, perhaps the best in the game for a couple of years, but I don't think he is a Hall of Fame player.
February 11th, 2016 at 10:05 AM ^
Over the past seven seasons, maybe - and I emphasize maybe - only Dez Bryant has impacted what defenses do from the WR position.
This idea that he was a good/very good receiver, and only the one of the best for a couple years, seriously down plays his impact.
February 11th, 2016 at 10:25 AM ^
I just didn't see it and really never thought he was what everybody made him out to be.
February 11th, 2016 at 10:55 AM ^
February 11th, 2016 at 9:39 AM ^
February 11th, 2016 at 9:43 AM ^
Megatron definitely a victim of circumstance being on the Lions, I agree. Sometimes nice guys finish last. Megatron was, after all, a part of the 0-16 Lions in 2008 and remained with the organization despite the incompetence/poop flowing from the top (RIP WCF) on down.
February 11th, 2016 at 9:44 AM ^
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February 11th, 2016 at 10:03 AM ^
Michael Irvin brought a passion to win that differentiates him from Johnson (and a lot of other players) and was instrumental in the Cowboys success. Even Troy Aikman acknowledges that Irvin was the team's vocal leader. His ability to go across the middle and make difficult catches while absorbibg a ton of punishment was legendary. I think Johnson is an excellent receiver, but he's no Michael Irvin.
February 11th, 2016 at 2:01 PM ^
February 11th, 2016 at 4:39 PM ^
True, but Calvin isn't the first to suffer being the best player on a bad team and he won't be the last.
February 11th, 2016 at 9:54 AM ^
above Holt and Ward, but you've also got Larry Fitzgerald to think about as well as CJ's other closer contemporaries Reggie Wayne and Andre Johnson. I'd be fine if they went Owens, Moss, Bruce, Fitzgerald and held off on WR's for a while and see if guys like Julio Jones, AJ Green, Antonio Brown, and Odell Beckham keep rising.
All CJ really has in his favor from a HoF perspective is that single-season yardage record that year the Lions were (surprise) terrible and were forced to throw it a lot.
February 11th, 2016 at 10:03 AM ^
Sometimes significantly. I can see the argument if Johnson only played 3-4 seasons, but he played 9. If he had a hand full of marginal seasons, he'd have similar numbers to all those guys. I don't see that as the difference between making the HOF and not.
February 11th, 2016 at 10:13 AM ^
Megatron's numbers aren't all that different from Reed's. So why not the HOF?
February 11th, 2016 at 4:41 PM ^
Fair or not, it is one thing to put up numbers on a bad team, it is a whole other thing to put up numbers on a good team.
February 11th, 2016 at 10:18 AM ^
Calvin did what he did in less games than most of the people you have on your hall of fame list. Because he wasnt a vocal leader has nothing to do with how well he played his position. It was refreshing to see him not act flamboyantly like other receivers and still be as effective. If Megatron went to the middle so did three defenders. Most of the other receivers you have on that list had a Robin to their Batman as well. Calvin played most of his career being the first, second and third option. The man was as dominant if not more than most of the guys you have on that list above. And he did it with a less than average quarterback. An average quarterback. No viable running game and no legitimate number two receiver and inferior coaching. That man deserves the hall of fame.
February 11th, 2016 at 10:44 AM ^
Guys still playing who will get in
- Reggie Wayne 1070 receptions for 14,345 yds, 82 TDs - 8th all time in yds.
- Andre Johnson is also a shoo in at 9th all time.
- Steve Smith 11th all time
- Larry Fitzgerald 15th
- Anquan Boldin 17th
It's an argument of longevity vs peak. At his peak for 3 years Johnson was the best WR In the game. He was beset by injuries and still had 4 years I'd consider top 10ish in the league. Than he had 2 years inclusive of rookie that was not super great but most dont come in and tear it up as a rookie.
I guess its the Gale Sayers argument. Is a shorter career inclusive of some years being the best in the league as good as being "top 5-10ish" for 12-14 yrs.
For comparison Calvin's career #s are similar to Brandon Marshall. But I think at his peak he was better than Marshall.
February 11th, 2016 at 11:16 AM ^
February 11th, 2016 at 10:52 AM ^
Andre Johnson has better career numbers than Calvin Johnson.
February 11th, 2016 at 11:25 AM ^
And Andre Johnson is a HOF WR
February 11th, 2016 at 11:04 AM ^
right? Playoff and Super Bowl wins are totally irrelevant to the Hall, or should be.
February 11th, 2016 at 11:30 AM ^
Jerry Rice: 20 years
Tim Brown: 17 years
Cris Carter: 16 years
Art Monk: 16 years
Andre Reed: 16 years
Marvin Harrison: 13 years
Michael Irvin: 12 years
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Calvin Johnson: 9 years
If Calvin played one or two more years, he would surpass all of those guys in terms of total yardage. He was the fastest to 10,000 receiving yards and first to get 5,000 receiving yards in a three year period.
Also, Calvin was a 6x Pro Bowl selection, not 5x selection, which isn't bad for being in the league only 9 years with the Lions of all teams. Look at every person you listed and you can also name the All-Pro QB or RB they played with. That's what kills me about Andre Reed. Dude was nothing without Thurman Thomas and Jim Kelly. And Lynn Swann kills me. Dude forgets he had a HoF QB and WR on the team.
The only reason you're hearing these bitter ass guys say Calvin shouldn't be in the HoF is because they had to wait forever to get in and they can't imagine a Detroit Lion with comparable or better numbers getting in before them.
February 11th, 2016 at 4:47 PM ^
February 11th, 2016 at 11:59 AM ^
According to your very numbers, Johnson has similar numbers (and a lot more touchdowns) than Irvin, so you are supporting Johnson's inclusion in the Hall of Fame.
Why does the number of playoff wins matter? Football is a team sport. According to your logic, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien, and Trent Dilfer are better quarterbacks than Dan Marino (especially considering QBs have a greater impact on the outcome of games than do WRs.)
February 11th, 2016 at 1:22 PM ^
They depend on the QB to get them the ball. They depend on a good RB to keep LBs and safeties honest. Without those two areas, their impact is limited greatly.
February 11th, 2016 at 3:50 PM ^
The numbers speak for themself and were provided for a snapshot of how HOF elected WR's stats compare to Megatron's, should he retire this offseason. I'm not sure why you are calling it my logic -- for the record, I'm not a HOF voter.
Irvin is the ugly duckling of that list of WR's listed...but he has 3 rings and had more "flash" than Megatron. Don't be silly by concluding that my post supports Johnson's inclusion in the HOF. If that was serious, your logic skills are dogshit.
February 11th, 2016 at 7:33 PM ^
Does this get a RB in the HOF? Stats for 7 years in the NFL with no rings or Championships
| Rushing Yards: | 4,956 |
|---|---|
| Rushing Average: | 5.0 |
| Rushing TDs: | 39 |
| Return yards: | 3,172 |
| Return TDs: |
8 |
February 11th, 2016 at 7:40 PM ^
This is the stats for Hall of Fame RB Gale Sayers. By today's standards this is a average career. Sayers was arguably the best RB of his generation. So you can't compare each individual to one another. To many variables.
February 11th, 2016 at 9:35 AM ^
I do agree with you and others that say Lynn Swann is in no position to be speaking on this matter but the numbers don't lie either. He's like most other retired professional athletes...misses his time in the spotlight and looking to get his name back in the headlines to make him relevant somehow.
February 11th, 2016 at 10:03 AM ^
Megatron has also only played nine years, 2 years wasted on injury and this past year being garbage. 6 good years shouldn't result in the HoF. Unless your talking about the Pistons retiring jerseys! *cough* Billups *cough*
February 11th, 2016 at 6:38 AM ^
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February 11th, 2016 at 8:08 AM ^
Thank you. I went and looked at stats for Swann - as the last thing I remember about him was running for office in Pennsylvania - and that fella needs to zip it. His stats look like a career 2nd or 3rd option kind of receiver, not an HOFer...
February 11th, 2016 at 9:05 AM ^
Exactly. He's in because of that one catch.
February 11th, 2016 at 9:46 AM ^
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February 11th, 2016 at 12:29 PM ^
Completey agree about Swann being borderline HOF, but you can't compare his numbers to the wr's of of the last 25 yrs. It was a much different game back in the 70's - both in terms of how offenses called plays (the focus was on the running game) and what db's and defenders were allowed to do.
February 11th, 2016 at 10:04 AM ^
February 11th, 2016 at 6:42 AM ^
Lynn Swann retired before I was born, but the knock on him was that he was a relatively marginal player who got in because of memorable super bowl moments.
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February 11th, 2016 at 6:44 AM ^
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February 11th, 2016 at 6:48 AM ^
neither did Marino
February 11th, 2016 at 7:56 AM ^
February 11th, 2016 at 8:10 AM ^
I'm looking for Ray Finkle...and a clean pair of shorts...
February 11th, 2016 at 8:13 AM ^
What do you know about Ray Finkle?
February 11th, 2016 at 8:31 AM ^
February 11th, 2016 at 9:46 AM ^
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February 11th, 2016 at 9:34 AM ^
Marino won no Super Bowls. But he did do a lot of winning. Regular season games and playoff games. Just no Super Bowl victories or victories in the business world after football.