OT: Gordon for $11M? Are Pistons fans at all pleased with this?
As a Bulls fan, Ben Gordon has one spectacular skill. He is a great scorer. He does this better off of picks or catch-and-shoot. As someone who watches a lot of Bulls games, Ben will make some ridiculous shots and can burn the other team if he gets on a roll, but I don't think he's a stellar late game option if you're just going to hand him the ball and pray for a miracle. He's too short to make good passes out of double-teams, so if you stick a tall defender on him and/or double-team, you can force him to take a bad shot (and it doesn't not take much coaxing to get Ben to take a bad shot). I am hard-pressed to think of a more polarizing questions amongst Chicago basketball fans than the usefulness of Ben Gordon. Personally, I think the Bulls should use him exactly like the Pistons use Hamilton: run him off of screens like he's Reggie Miller. Let him catch-and-shoot. Don't force him to create off the dribble, because that's not what he's spectucularly good at doing.
For $11M dollars a year (what the Pistons supposedly promised his agent), I don't know if he's worth it. Are Pistons fans excited about this? Will this be a the reverse of the Ben Wallace free agent signing, where it's clear a year or two down the road that you overpaid for a player that really won't put you over the top?
however from a distant. Don't like it. However Jamal Crawford or Travis Outlaw for Rip?
As a Warriors fan and someone that had the "pleasure" of watching Jamal Crawford play this past season, believe me when I say that you don't want him on your team if you're looking for anything other than scoring. That's really all he can do. It pains me to criticize a fellow Wolverine, but the guy plays absolutely no defense and has a tendency to hog the ball. Gordon and Crawford on the same team would be a disastrous combination.
...and in exchange brought a significant amount of heat and negative publicity onto an already-shaky program. It shouldn't pain you one bit to criticize him.
Jamal Crawford can kiss my ass.
Whoa there. Jamal Crawford is not Chris Webber. He did not bring the program under scrutiny. He had a living arrangement that violated his amateur status, but it did not affect anyone else in the program. As for him going pro after 17 games, what else was he going to do? The NCAA ruled him ineligible unless he paid back the $15,000 with money he didn't have. I don't remember anyone in the media attacking our program over this. If anything, they were sympathetic to Crawford and complained that the NCAA was too rigid.
play defense? That was the talk about Rip prior before his trade to the stones. I like the upside of a Crawford...moreso than a Gordon at this point. Jamal has shown tendency...Gordon,otoh,hasn't.
Jamal Crawford is the definition of the type of player you don't want on your team. In fact, I don't think there is anyone in the league i would want less than him. He scores, but incredibly inefficiently. I dont want to explain this to you. He is just a bad bad bad idea for any team.
Pistons fans are not happy about this and frankly, I'm somewhat skeptical that this deal actually gets done. I wouldn't be surprised if it did because Dumars has had his eye on Gordon for some time now, but still, this seems in the realm of offseason trade rumors that get reported but never happen.
Getting Gordon does a few things, but most importantly, it continues to add to the stable of young(ish) talent that the Pistons have. Problem is, Gordon as the marquee player on any roster is likely to return 45-37-type results. This is not what the Pistons want or need.
There is not enough of a market out there for Rip, who has clearly lost a step in the last year, making his imminent trade (upon the signing of Gordon) less worthwhile. The Pistons are currently in desperate need of big men (with the departures of Sheed and Dyess, the stable is running thin, unless you truly think Brown and Johnson will somehow turn into legitimate starters). The Pistons are relatively deep at guard though Stuckey isn't really a true point which is of more of a need than SG which Gordon more or less plays exclusively. using both on the floor at the same time could get dicey.
The Pistons need to focus their efforts on getting a big man.
So to answer your question, no, Pistons fans are not happy about this.
Is overrated in so many ways. I will call it now. If this deal gets done it will be a disaster. I purposely stayed clear from Bulls games when I was in Chicago because I couldn't stand watching him. He is a pure chucker and doesn't have the killer instinct it takes to win at the level the Pistons would like. Fuck Ben Gordon. There I said it.
Yeah, never really thought he was that great. I live in Chicago now too and all I hear during the season is people complaining about how inconsistent he is. I'd prefer someone who can actually play some d.
I have a sense that this $11M offer is more an agent pumping up value for his client than a real offer. Anyone who watches basketball knows that Gordon is a 1-dimensional player who, while a deadly shooter at times, is still a one-trick pony. I would much rather Detroit throw money at Turkoglu or Boozer than Gordon. I suspect that this signing won't happen, but if it does then I foresee continued mediocrity for this team for the coming years.
No. I like Ben Gordon but that seems like to big of a contract for his play. Although Joe D did take Darko over numerous other stars. I like Joe D, but that was still a pretty bad pick with so much talent in that year in the draft.
I thought Bill Laimbeer retired from the Shock to come out of retirement to increase the Grit of the Pistons.
A la Super Nintendo?
Holy fuck I love that game.
could jump, but come on man, make a dunk!
i was always blade. no wonder he was the crowd pleaser. check out those glasses!
Not happy about this at all, more so as in it seems like there just trying to payback the bulls from stealing Ben. And the other fact we need a big man and not another guard.
He plays no defense and does not add the size that we need. Plus, even though he's a decent scorer, he is too erratic.
I agree with one of the above comments - I thought Laimbeer really was going to sign with the Pistons as an assistant coach to instill some toughness and physical play (although we've seen how refs don't like tough and physical play).
Ben Gordon is not the type of player you want to lead your team every night in the regular season. He is too erratic and, as many have said, can only do one thing well
HOWEVA, he IS the type of player you want in the playoffs, the kind that can go shot for shot with almost anyone. He went back and forth with Ray Allen, who at the time was having the series of his life.
He's a joy to watch at times and can take over a game or even a series, but it's better if he were a second option than your go to guy night in and night out.
If that makes sense
+1 for great HOWEVA usage
Ben Gordon does one thing well, and he does it really well, but he is not nearly good or young enough to justify $11 million.
ben gordon is not worth $11 million ... is he even better than rip, who is aa whole 4-5 inches taller?
Rip is 5-6 years older. Gordon is a worse defender, shorter and a turnover machine, but he is a better scorer, 3 point shooter, and he can create his own shot. He also is about to enter his prime. Rip is done with his. At this point, I would take Rip over Gordon. But, 2-3 years from now, I would take Gordon. B/c of that this would make sense. A backcourt of Stuckey and Gordon with Bynum and AA as the backups is a good enough backcourt to win as long as they have quality bigs in front of them. Now, about getting those quality bigs....
was about lock down D and that is how they won their championship. That D started to fade when Wallace left and dropped a little more with Chauncy fo AI. If Gordon comes the Pistons are in even worse shape.
Reality is that this isn't a very good shooting team and isn't going to win a lot of games by outscoring their opponent even if this signing goes through. Is Matt Millen now running the Pistons as every move lately has been for an offensive player.
who's going to get the ball up the court if Rip and Gordon are your guards?
Or: What are you going to do with two identical players on the roster?
No one will give you anything worthwhile for Rip, so he's staying. unless you're just throwing players away because you don't want them....but then you're replacing a problem with a problem.
As a Bulls fan who suffered through the Jamal Crawford era, Ben Gordon is the clearly superior choice. The entire city was pumped to see the Knicks take him off of our hands. If you thought AI didn't fit in with Detroit Basketball, just wait until you see Crawford.
Could you go small with Stuckey, Rip, and Hamilton at the 1-3, Tayshaun at the 4, and Maxiell or A.J. or free agent acquisition (Boozer? Millsap?) at the 5?
Rip & Hamliton are the same person.
Stuckey, Rip, and Gordon.
That is correct, sir.
When I read the title of this post, I thought it was referring to Jeff Gordon, and I was wondering why the Pistons would be interested in signing a NASCAR driver.
Clearly, you're not a golfer.
For some reason (perhaps because I don't post), I can't create new threads, so I'm bumping to discuss Pistons draft possibilities. [It would be nice if someone would create a thread who has the capability]
Who are they taking? Who SHOULD they take? Etc. Draft is three days away...
I'd like to see Earl Clark--I think he can be an Odom type player eventually (without them spending all their cap room on Odom himself).