OT - Going back to the Office

Submitted by poseidon7902 on May 13th, 2020 at 9:32 AM

Thought we could start a talk about what each of us are experiencing in relation to going back to the office.  If you can, include who you work for, what role you have, and if you have a timeline yet to go back into the office.  If you do, what things are your company saying about your return and what it will be like.  

I work for Salesforce as a director for technical support for the America's for one of their products.  My job really doesn't require being in the office, but prior to this, I was in the office 2 to 3 days a week.  I live in the Atlanta area and am 37 miles from my door to the office.  I take what passes for mass transit here and my commute averaged 1.5 to 2 hours each way.  

We've been notified that we can work from home through the end of the year, but offices will open up depending on what the local situation is.  You just don't have to go in if you don't want to.  When we do return, things will be drastically different.  We had 'open seating' before and from what I can tell that will remain, but distancing will be in place.  My guess is while we had 5 desks in a row before, it'll be bumped down to 3 with large spaces between them.  We developed an application called Work.com because of the pandemic.  It's essentially a scalable app which allows organizations from 2 people to as many thousand people as you want to control your workforce.    

At Salesforce we'll be implementing work shifting.  This is where you'll be assigned to a group which will have set days to come in to the office.  When you arrive, you'll have to go through a health check every day.  This includes temperature taking.  We'll be doing antibody testing at all sites.  Not sure if that's a 1 time thing, annual thing, or (God forbid) monthly/weekly.  We'll have scheduled times to ride the elevator to limit exposure between people.  The work.com app allows for you to maintain a contact tracing database.  The idea behind this is if someone becomes sick, you'll have a database of people who they had contact with that you can tell to remain home in self isolation till the sickness spread is reduced to a safe level (Or entirely).  

BayWolves

May 13th, 2020 at 12:58 PM ^

I have been going into the office throughout this entire thing but have taken advantage of working from home twice per week so I don't have to spend gas money with the metro shut down for the most part. People here in the DMV (DC, Maryland, Virginia metro area) are in hysterics though you will see folks like me still out taking care of business, getting exercise, enjoying the sun and getting out on the river and having BBQs, etc whle not wearing a mask, thank you very much.

Life hasn't changed much for me though it has for all of the people our governors forced out of business and to be unemployed - ruining their livelihoods.  The three big takes for me are 1. Politicians love being authoritarians and will delete your rights whenever given the chance 2. Too many people are easily scared into submission and 3. We don't need to rent a large office space to have everyone show up to work everyday. We can easily get by with 80% of our employees working remotely thereby saving tons of money.

I'mTheStig

May 13th, 2020 at 1:23 PM ^

This includes temperature taking.  We'll be doing antibody testing at all sites.

That's awesome. 

When I lived in Japan and SARS hit, that's what they were doing to help manage things.

I hope more organizations do this to help take the burden off of local government to do so.

borninAnnArbor

May 13th, 2020 at 1:30 PM ^

I am a teacher, and we are finishing the year from home.  Unfortunately, there is a possibility we could start next school using some social distancing measures.  There are a lot of scheduling ideas that are being floated around right now.  They have also cut the school budget by a great deal in the state, so no one is sure what the year is going to look like.  My hope is some company takes advantage of this time and creates quality computer programs that allow students to work on topics at their ability, and we no longer have to worry about end of year standardized tests.   

wolverinebutt

May 13th, 2020 at 1:53 PM ^

I work in a government job - software Admin/support on a vendor software product.  

We do not currently have a return date.  I go to the office about once or twice a month now.  I share a small office and I am about 4 feet from my co-worker.  Governments do not spend on employees.  I have a new chair, but my desk is from the 1970's.

This should be interesting because my management has always been VERY against WFH.  I am hoping we get one day a week in the future.  I may switch to 4 10 hour days.  That would mean only 3 days a week in the office.     

BlueMk1690

May 13th, 2020 at 3:37 PM ^

I work in channel partner management for a manufacturer. I was already partially remote before this and in discussions to go remote full-time eventually..so this really only got me something I had already been asking for.

My company has been able to continue operating 100% as it's deemed critical by federal and state definitions, but naturally we've been affected by supply chain issues and the fact that a lot of industrial and commercial projects got put on ice during this crisis. But I can feel business activity has been increasing again over the last week or two.

In terms of how the trend of working remote will affect our business? Our equipment is used in commercial buildings, but also factories, government buildings, warehouses, educational institutions, transportation facilities, research facilities and large residential developments. So while a reduction in commercial building usage will affect us, there's always going to be many other areas where our stuff is needed. Also, I suspect most places will still need a skeleton physical presence and whether you have 5 or 500 people working in an office, you need our stuff.

Basketballschoolnow

May 13th, 2020 at 3:38 PM ^

I am one of the lucky ones...downsized last summer with a buyout package.

Prior to that I worked at home for about 8 years managing institutional stock portfolios for a company in another state.  Even though the job is very intensive, I could usually get it done during a 40-hour week due to the greater productivity resulting from a laser focus on the actual job, with no commute, no face to face meetings, no office cooler chit chat, no long lunches with colleagues, little time spent on office politics, and as much information as possible (most) acquired via the internet rather than meetings or phone calls... occasionally I would get on a plane to visit hq or clients.

At the same time, there were about 25 people doing essentially the same job together on a similar product at headquarters.  Constant meetings, phone calls, socializing, lunches...

Even though performance was actually better, the drawback was that clients and consultants were reluctant to commit money because they were  conditioned to the way 'everybody does it' with the antiquated 'army of in-house analysts' model of Wall Street...bigger is better, safety in numbers, the wisdom of committees...plus, it is politically safer, because no one will criticize you for selecting a large, brand name manager, even if performance turns out to be mediocre.

It will be interesting to see if attitudes change now that working at home is so much more commonplace.

 

 

Basketballschoolnow

May 14th, 2020 at 9:17 AM ^

I was in active equity management, picking a portfolio of blue chip stocks that actually beat the market over a long time period. 

It is true that active equity as a category is in decline.  The market almost always goes up over time (at least to this point!), so a lot of wealth has been built by having equity exposure, compounding returns over time.  However, since most active managers charge higher fees to underperform the market, the trend is towards passive management (index funds or ETFs that own an entire market or segment rather than attempting to select individual stocks) with lower fees and the same performance as the market or segment.

Owning equities involves higher volatility in the short term, for sure!  And active equity is more volatile than that, since you have to also pick the right manager or stocks.  Active or Passive, a solid plan is essential, that matches individual goals, temperament, and risk preference with proper asset allocation, risk control, and time frame.

well.....

May 13th, 2020 at 4:11 PM ^

not sure if this got posted in any other thread, but thought it was interesting.

 

https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them?emc=edit_nn_20200511&segment_id=27239&nl=the-morning&user_id=5ec91bc7309a90b4a4dba23347130d1f&regi_id=81565784&te=1&instance_id=18384&campaign_id=9

 

if it's correct, it seems like spending 8 hours in an office with other people breathing the same air is just not a great idea. understand there are sectors that can't avoid it, but many can.

hammermw

May 13th, 2020 at 4:26 PM ^

I read that yesterday too and came away with the same understanding. I also feel like the the time aspect is the most important takeaway. Also, seems like the 6 foot rule is useless when factoring in time. It doesn't matter if they space desks 6 feet apart if you're breathing the same re-circulated air for 8-10 hours a day.

well.....

May 13th, 2020 at 5:02 PM ^

yep, my thoughts exactly. and life going forward is going to take so much figuring out, it will be unfortunate if we spend time and energy on things like reconfiguring office space and taking temps, etc, when that doesn't address a significant risk - namely, breathing the same air as other people for hours.

BlueMk1690

May 13th, 2020 at 5:44 PM ^

There's some pretty strong assumptions in that thinking. For example in the call center case, the infections were mostly on one side of the open plain office but most people on the other side of the same floor did not get it. But it's speculation to say that person A sitting at one end of that office infected all people down their side of the office. It's equally likely that the infection jumped from person A to people in their vicinity, then from those people further down the line etc.

This kind of tracing allows us to follow a chain of contacts, but it does not allow us to make precise determinations about *how* people got infected. The long incubation period and large % of carriers with no or at least 'invisible' symptoms make it near impossible to really determine this with any accuracy outside actual lab testing with the actual virus.

hammermw

May 13th, 2020 at 4:22 PM ^

I work in Finance for one of the largest companies in the world and we were just told yesterday that Finance will be WFH indefinitely. We will be the last group to be brought back to the office and it could be more than a year. They need to take desks out to make space in the offices so they decided that Finance, Accounting, HR and other Administrative desks would be removed. So pretty much anything that isn't Operations related will be working from home indefinitely. This is fine by me as long as the kids go back to school in the fall. If they don't, then I may lose my mind

turtleboy

May 13th, 2020 at 4:51 PM ^

I've been going in to the office every day, but there's only a few of us, and we all have separate offices. We also have field crews that go out and survey every day then return to the office. At a certain point we'll have to face opening up again and whatever the fallout of that will be, but I think the workplace and schools actually have a smaller chance of spreading anything than grocery stores and restaurant dining rooms. Here in texas a few coworkers went out for lunch for the first time today, and I thought that was risky. Grocery stores have pretty routine cleaning patterns down, now, but restaurants can have just as many random people coming in and out quickly, and will likely have varied cleaning practices and disciplines. Work and schools have the same people coming in from the same groups every day, but restaurants and grocery stores have random people from a broad selection of groups comingling. 

carolina blue

May 13th, 2020 at 6:33 PM ^

I have been going to the office 1-2x/week for items that have to be reviewed in person.
I’m changing jobs, and my new boss is old school. He is of the mentality that you should be at your desk, on site, doing your work. The reality is about 40% of this new job can be done from home. But he’s come out and said straight up that he thinks the job is too hands on to not be on site all the time. He’s wrong, but I don’t get to decide that. Kinda sucks cuz it’s a long commute. 

LostOne

May 13th, 2020 at 7:07 PM ^

I work for an essential business.  I’ve been working from home since 2018 due to the distance from the office.  They where in mid move of the office in Auburn Hills when everything shut down, so it will be a while before we even have an office open.  I will continue working from home as my whole team is all remote all over the country.

bronxblue

May 13th, 2020 at 8:53 PM ^

I'm actually starting a new job in early June and they've already told me all of my stuff will be mailed to me and then I'll just jump onto calls as necessary.  It's basically the same as my current job in software development so I don't think the transition will be hard, and they don't foresee opening the office any time soon.

All that said, I'll never be fully efficient until my two grade-school age kids have somewhere to go.  We have two offices in the house but the kids can't be left alone and, frankly, I feel like I should be there to help them distance learn as much as they can.  I know the plans are to open schools last but until they do, about 35-40% of the work force is going to be juggling these competing demands and that's going to be tough on a lot of people.  Maybe that makes WFH easier for some but I have already had to speak up a couple of times in meetings that while it may be fun to call an impromptu meeting at 12:15 to talk about some new feature, people with kids are likely making meals, cleaning up, changing diapers/putting kids down for naps, etc.  Nobody has pushed back yet but at some point I assume there will be.

uminks

May 13th, 2020 at 10:50 PM ^

I'm an essential federal employee in Kansas, so I've been at work in an office everyday. Our workstations are far enough apart. Some where masks and some don't. There are extra cleaning duties.

butuka21

May 13th, 2020 at 11:00 PM ^

I used to work for vandelay industries before covid.  Vandelay industries was a major player in the importing exporting industry.  But due to covid and the inability to import, I am now fat bald unemployed and live with my parents....

samdrussBLUE

May 14th, 2020 at 2:11 AM ^

Go back to the office. You probably won't get infected. Even if so, you are unlikely to do serious harm to yourself or others.

BeatIt

May 14th, 2020 at 9:17 AM ^

I'm a construction Super/PM in South Florida. The only day off I've had was good friday and weekends less 2 Saturday's that I worked. Most everyone has followed wearing the recommended PPE in my travels.I manage my daily schedule. Pretty much can control how many people I'm around even before this. Been washing my hands as a deterrent since coming down with the flu from hell in 2003/04.Started with a sire throat the first couple days than made it's way to my lungs. Knocked my ass out for 7 days with a dry cough that I literally wanted to die. Haven't had a flu shot in forever,(not a anti-vaxer)and knock on wood haven't caught the flu since, only mild coughs&colds. 

       I just worry in reducing infections we also slowed the herd immunity from growing as well. That is needed along with a vaccine to eradicate viruses like polio,measles, influenza etc. 

Without a vaccine those that have already recovered run the risk of re-infection without a vaccine.Any thoughts?

Boglehead

May 14th, 2020 at 5:51 PM ^

I work for one of the telecom megacorps. They are going to start re-opening offices soon, but if your job can be done from home, they want you to stay at home for now. So I have no idea when I'll be going back in. We have open floorplan so that won't help the situation. 

Pre-Covid, we had no telecommute policy, but my boss let us do it once a week.  Our CFO did say he doesn't expect full-time WFH in the long-term. 

lmgoblue1

May 14th, 2020 at 6:45 PM ^

I'm back in the office after 6 weeks remote. The first two days were really creepy. I know I can do everything from home now so I don't have to worry about that but as others have said when new people come into the office or in to employment they need to be trained visually by somebody there that can answer their questions and show them methodologies. You can't do that virtually I'm sorry. We had to let go one of our relatively new employees who was smart as a whip but without the constant daily sitting with someone to show them systems, she couldn't progress and made critical errors. It wasn't fair to anyone. Certainly not our customers. So that's what this is taught me. Do you need a whole office to train someone? Probably not but you are still going to have to have that interaction. Nothing will ever be virtual all the time. People need to be together at least for for a period of time. There are no simulators for real life.

AndArst

May 23rd, 2020 at 12:10 PM ^

I don't want to get back to the office because I got used to working at home. I was even able to develop my projects with the help of Salesforce consultants. I was lucky to bump into an article where I found salesforce administrator hourly rate and other useful information. After reading it I decided to work with them.

UserAbuser

July 29th, 2020 at 5:07 PM ^

Hello, thank you for this post, Man! I know that Salesforce support a great number of companies including my business too. Your company helps to optimize the work of business and to make the worker's days in the office better, it is true. All the modern financial software development solutions give an opportunity to simplify the work. I think that it is necessary for every company that wants to develop well

UserAbuser

September 21st, 2020 at 3:19 AM ^

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