WestQuad

August 23rd, 2017 at 8:20 AM ^

I don't get the PC backlash either.  It is the axiom of if you don't have anything good to say don't say anything at all, or for that matter the Golden Rule.  Having to sit at a once a year sensitivity training/sexual harassment training is annoying, but hardly draconian.  ...and you're getting paid.   

The Robert Lee thing is a publicity stunt.  All publicity is good publicity.  I didn't even know that Virginia played football before this. 

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EGD

August 23rd, 2017 at 5:03 AM ^

FWIW I am pretty damn far to the left politically and it took me about 0.02 seconds to decide that ESPN's decision here is ridiculous. It smacks of corporate ham-handedness more than any kind of politics--like ESPN is trying to avoid controversy (and so ignorantly, and ironically, stirs one up). But please rest assured that I and my comrades over here on the left have no intention of adding a demand for the exclusion of Asian sports broadcasters named Robert Lee to our platform.

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Everyone Murders

August 23rd, 2017 at 7:56 AM ^

I would not be surprised if this is a ploy to get people to remember that ESPN exists and build hype.  Because wherever you fall on the monuments issue, this decision by the WWL is beyond stupid.

Also, your avatar checks out with your politics.  (Their most underrated album, in my estimation - and the album title synchs up pretty damn well with your comment.)

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mastodon

August 23rd, 2017 at 10:10 AM ^

How about the black student's group at USC having a problem with the white mascot horse named Traveler IX (ninth horse in succession, all Traveler), which happens to have been the name of one of General Lee's horses?  Considering that one?

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901 P

August 23rd, 2017 at 7:54 AM ^

Repeating a joke that someone else made earlier in a thread is NOT going to get you back to positive numbers, MGoCue! By the way, what happened? I always assumed you were the person who wrote the barbecue columns for the site, but maybe that's not correct? I would have figured that you were safe from Bolivia!

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M Go Cue

August 23rd, 2017 at 12:13 PM ^

You will need to be doing a lot of up voting! In addition to what EM wrote, I also demanded all night games, except for OSU, which I still say should be Fridays at noon. That was the final straw. You do indeed have me confused for MMMGoBlueBbq, which happens often, although I've been around longer and my 'cue is better. ;^)

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4godkingandwol…

August 23rd, 2017 at 5:43 AM ^

All this accomplishes is providing those who support the glorification of traitors who advocated for the enslavement of other human beings more straw men examples of how our pc culture and millennials and snowflakes are leading to the downfall of America. When it's really a bunch of out of touch, middle aged, rich dudes making a decision to preserve their own wealth. Any attempt to paint it as something else is naive.

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schreibee

August 23rd, 2017 at 9:25 AM ^

Well I dunno - Is it the first, last and only rationale for ALL your decisions? Like say, deciding a guy named Robert Lee can't work in Charlottesville? If so, maybe you should worry less about "preserving your wealth" and more about whether anything you do makes any Damn sense!

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mastodon

August 23rd, 2017 at 11:03 AM ^

Just curious, what do you think should be done about the Washington Monument and the Jefferson Memorial in DC? Not to mention all cities, states, schools, etc., named for (honoring, glorifying) those two men - actual slave owners!

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pescadero

August 23rd, 2017 at 11:11 AM ^

If those monuments had been meant to glorify their treason against the USA and their slave holding - they might be comparable. We don't honor Jefferson and Wahington for their slave holding.

 

These Confederate monuments on the other hand, WERE intended to honor specifically that - which is why most of them were actually built during the resurgence of the KKK and the peak of implementation of Jim Crow.

 

That being said - we should do a much better job teaching the true history of Washingon and Jefferson and not sugar coat the reality of their lives.

Washington didn't cut down a cherry tree and claim he couldn't tell a lie, and Jefferson was a giant hypocrite...

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SalvatoreQuattro

August 23rd, 2017 at 11:51 AM ^

Meh. From an ethical standpoint I cannot deny that they had the right to leave the Union. If a person can divorce their spouse why cannot a region leave a country? But they were white supremacist bastards who sought to preserve and extend slavery. That and that alone justifies the removal of the monuments.

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pescadero

August 23rd, 2017 at 12:22 PM ^

They can leave - and there are two ways to do it.

Texas v. White addressed that.

 

From the very beginning with the Articles of Confederation - everyone signed onto a perpetual Union.

 

The only ways to leave are treasonous revolution (just as the American Revolution was treason against England), or with the permission of the other members of the Union.

"When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."

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BlueCube

August 23rd, 2017 at 5:46 AM ^

but ESPN may have proven that wrong. Warning to top execs: When you are in a near death spiral it's best not to make racist appearing moves to tighten the spiral.

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Putt4Birdie

August 23rd, 2017 at 6:06 AM ^

I disregard all of this silliness and choose not to discuss it or use any of the key words used by Data Farmers to make up numbers to pretend this is the type of nonsense normal people care about. No offense to Betsy, Heaven, keys, those who Farm Data, Farmers or any kind, those who use the word "normal", people , .... Ah heck, I failed by saying anything at all.

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