OT: Dombrowski to Red Sox, and a little Tigers talk
Absolutely hate the Sox, but big fan of Dombo so their future success will be palatable. Hopefully Ortiz retires / gets banned for steroid use soon though. Illitch's rare boneheaded move is Boston's gain. Seems inevitable that the Sox and Cubs class in a world series, which would be pretty cool.
'For the Tigers, the are strangely not dead. Lots of reason to be optimistic about Verlander, and suddenly the bullpen is gelling a little. They probably don't have the goods this year, but who knows. Also, I'd love to provide a gif of Cabrera's play tonight where he tried to catch a pass with a glove he wasnt wearing. Pretty funny, but saddly not on the interwebs yet.
August 18th, 2015 at 10:49 PM ^
August 18th, 2015 at 10:53 PM ^
Football on the brain. He didnt have his glove on when Sanchez tried a pickoff. They even got an out out of it, but it was a very Cabrera-ish moment.
August 18th, 2015 at 10:55 PM ^
August 19th, 2015 at 8:07 AM ^
I love the looks on everyone's faces after Iglesias tags Fowler. Priceless.
August 18th, 2015 at 10:50 PM ^
Boston will never have a bullpen the entire time he is there.
August 18th, 2015 at 11:32 PM ^
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August 19th, 2015 at 9:28 AM ^
I didn't know Uehara was a dentist!?
August 19th, 2015 at 9:47 AM ^
That may be true, but Uehara is 40 and falling apart. I love the guy to death, but his shelf life is running out fast.
August 18th, 2015 at 10:53 PM ^
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August 18th, 2015 at 11:02 PM ^
anyone can have a bad century.
August 19th, 2015 at 12:35 AM ^
August 19th, 2015 at 9:55 AM ^
oops
August 18th, 2015 at 11:01 PM ^
Too bad. Wanted to see what a Dombrowski team looked like that didn't have significant payroll advantages.
The national media's love for DD is comical. Dude can't draft to save his life, was behind on the analytics movement (Avila has already indicated as much) and the constant bullpen issues that he never fixed became absurd. Great wheeler 'n' dealer at the deadline but that skill became worthless when he was finally out of bait.
August 18th, 2015 at 11:25 PM ^
He did win a World Series with the Marlins (not sure what their payroll situation was like in the 90s but it probably wasn't good). But otherwise I agree.
August 19th, 2015 at 12:24 AM ^
The '97 Marlins were not a high payroll team but had a ton of good prospects signed from Latin America that he used to trade for a bunch of rentals that won the WS before the team got blown up the next offseason.
August 19th, 2015 at 6:53 AM ^
The '97 Marlins had the 5th highest payroll in baseball ($52MM).
August 19th, 2015 at 11:29 AM ^
Yes, after all the rentals. The organization itself was not a committed spender. This isn't a hard concept.
August 19th, 2015 at 3:02 AM ^
https://pursuitofpennants.wordpress.com/2015/02/03/9-dave-dombrowski/
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August 18th, 2015 at 11:36 PM ^
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August 19th, 2015 at 8:11 AM ^
| FLA | 1993 | 64 | 98 | .395 | 6th in NL East | - |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| FLA | 1994 | 51 | 64 | .443 | 5th in NL East | - |
| FLA | 1995 | 67 | 76 | .469 | 4th in NL East | - |
| FLA | 1996 | 80 | 82 | .494 | 3rd in NL East | - |
| FLA | 1997 | 92 | 70 | .568 | 2nd in NL East | Defeated Cleveland Indians in 1997 World Series. |
| FLA | 1998 | 54 | 108 | .333 | 5th in NL East | - |
| FLA | 1999 | 64 | 98 | .395 | 5th in NL East | - |
| FLA | 2000 | 79 | 82 | .491 | 3rd in NL East | - |
| FLA | 2001 | 76 | 86 | .469 | 4th in NL East | - |
| FLA Total | 627 | 764 | .451 | 1 playoff appearance, 1 pennant and 1 World Series title | ||
August 18th, 2015 at 11:37 PM ^
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August 19th, 2015 at 3:10 AM ^
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August 19th, 2015 at 8:10 AM ^
Just because it was the Marlins doesn't mean it was a low payroll.
The Marlins never had a winning record under him or finished higher than 3rd outside of that one year.
So it was 1 year with the 5th highest payroll in baseball and that was it.
August 19th, 2015 at 12:15 AM ^
August 19th, 2015 at 12:20 AM ^
"Surefire hall of famer" for someone who is not a player - says a lot about your baseball knowledge. Say hi to Tom Gage's plaque next time you're in Cooperstown.
August 18th, 2015 at 11:01 PM ^
I heard a rumor a day or two ago that DD was about to land a job. Detroit's loss is Boston's gain, but I hope he hires an Associate GM with the specific assignment of Bullpen Acquisitions.
August 19th, 2015 at 12:50 PM ^
I would not be the least bit surprised if this is the main reason he didn't stay in Detroit.
August 18th, 2015 at 11:02 PM ^
and I have no idea why, but I wish we still had DD
August 18th, 2015 at 11:09 PM ^
I'd ask you why but you already said you have no idea. The DD era had more than run its course here IMO.
August 19th, 2015 at 12:20 AM ^
August 19th, 2015 at 12:26 AM ^
The AL Central is the cheapest division in baseball so Ilitch's mega-spending played a huge role. Until KC's prospects finally came through, no one posed a legitimate threat after the clock turned midnight on the Twinkies organization. Hell, the Tigers won the division in 2012 with the SEVENTH best record in the AL.
You're pretty clearly out of your depth here and should talk less.
August 19th, 2015 at 1:27 AM ^
a poster who has been banned before, aren't you? How many previous times have you been kicked out?
Maybe you shouldn't post at all. Or better yet, keep trolling other posters until the mods ban you yet again.
August 19th, 2015 at 6:38 AM ^
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August 19th, 2015 at 8:34 AM ^
August 19th, 2015 at 9:04 AM ^
He got the the Tigers to two World Series with two different rosters. Leyland and the players have to answer for how they played in those series, Dave did his job.
August 19th, 2015 at 11:36 AM ^
They won 88 games in 2012 with a $118 million in base player salary. Then parlayed no competition in the division and two hot weeks in the postseason to a World Series appearance. Hail Dombrowski, baby. All him.
August 19th, 2015 at 12:59 PM ^
You can't claim that GM's have nothing to do with playoff success and then come back and blame Dombrowski for the fact that incredibly talented Tiger teams from 2010 on choked in the playoffs.
He put together a team that clearly should have won a World Series. Due to a combination of players not performing and several pretty terrible managerial decisions at key moments, that never happened.
August 19th, 2015 at 1:08 PM ^
Where did I blame him for that? I said that Ilitch's spending played a much bigger role in the team being competitive than Dombrowski's work did and that DD doesn't deserve his lofty reputation.
GMs do have a far bigger impact in the regular season. That's just a widely accepted fact.
August 19th, 2015 at 3:24 PM ^
judge a GM on the post-season as it's a total crapshoot in MLB with the sample size being waaaaay to small.
Billy Beane said it best when he said "my shit doesn't work in the playoffs. My job is to get us to the playoffs. What happens after that is fucking luck".
It's basically a 1 in 8 or 10 shot that a team wins it all and what we've seen out of the Tigers over the last few years has actually been fairly normal.
Lots of very smart people have went back and tried to find some kind of formula that fits for most past WS winners and still nothing. Take a guess last year which two playoff teams had the worst odds entering the post-season............it was SF and KC.
August 19th, 2015 at 11:25 AM ^
That's the MO of the Detroit fan. They just compare their current teams and players to their old ones instead of measuring them against the contemporaries they compete with in the moment, which is all that matters. A lot of the support for Matthew Stafford boils down to "look at our quarterbacks before him!"
August 19th, 2015 at 9:05 AM ^
If I had to guess, this is the latest incarnation of BRCE and indeed he has been removed for various reasons over the years. The style is similar - terse statements, endless capacity to be kind of rude...I could be wrong, but the modus operandi fits with some subtle variations.
August 19th, 2015 at 11:21 AM ^
Uh-oh! Rob F is on the case! You have no idea what you're talking about.
August 19th, 2015 at 10:42 AM ^
Tigers were good because they spent a lot of money and the division was weak? That's a pretty lazy analysis for someone trying to be the resident expert and telling others to keep a lid on it.
The Tigers did increase their payroll, and that helps, but Dombrowski made a number of great moves that involved more than just outspending the competition. The acquistions of Bonderman, Guillen, Rogers, Pudge, Polanco, Miggy, Scherzer, Peralta, Fister, and Price involved acumen, not just throwing around cash.
And the Tigers played teams outside the division, too, often defeating them in the playoffs. If you want to look through the narrow prism of only World Series titles, there were none. But this ride for Tiger fans has been among the best in baseball for these years and Dombrowski had a very positive impact.
August 19th, 2015 at 11:43 AM ^
August 19th, 2015 at 12:09 PM ^
August 19th, 2015 at 3:01 PM ^
in MLB the last 4 years overall. So no other team won more games during the last 4 years overall, how much more were you expecting from them?
August 18th, 2015 at 11:20 PM ^
He took the high road on the way out, nothing but class from Dave and I'll hope he has success in Boston.
That said while this season is lost I'm still going to tune in when Norris, Boyd, and Verlander start as they'll be needed next season if this team is going to go anywhere.
August 18th, 2015 at 11:36 PM ^
Tigers' ship sailed in 2013. Not signing Scherzer put it so far out of sight we are closer to the bad old days than the Series.
August 18th, 2015 at 11:43 PM ^
EDIT: for some reason the embedded video "isn't ready yet" so here's the link http://www.holdoutsports.com/2015/08/miguel-cabrera-throws-glove-at-pic…
August 18th, 2015 at 11:42 PM ^