OT: Bucks Protest Game 5 to Protest Jacob Blake Shooting [re-LOCKED]
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29747523/bucks-not-taking-court-game-5-vs-magic
"We're tired of the killings and the injustice," Bucks guard George Hill told The Undefeated's Marc J. Spears.
Us too, George. Us too :(
[EDIT @6:10pm]: I'm taking the unusual step of locking this thread until 7:30pm. Emotions in the thread are getting way too heated with insults being tossed left and right; I'm going to remove the most offensive comments.
"DonBrownsMustache" has been banned.
I'll reopen the thread at 7:30 and then hope to keep it open for meaningful discussion.
Everybody please calm down and maybe reflect upon what led to these postponements, what led to the protests and unrest in Kenosha and elsewhere.
---rob f
[Edit #2 @ 7:20 pm]:. I'll be removing the lock shortly. I've removed 3 or 4 comments but when I did, some direct threaded replies disappeared with them. I've also edited out some insults in about a half-dozen posts. Two accounts have been banned and a couple others are on thin ice.
Let's see if we can turn this into a civil MGoBoard discussion about an important major sports development, instead of yet another session of shit-slinging, Ok? If we can't, it'll quickly get permanently locked and more heads WILL roll.
[3rd and final edit] Re-locking (or should I call it "red-locking?) this thread. It's essentially run its course, and though I wish to thank the large majority who kept the discussion civil once I reopened it @ 7:30, I don't dare risk it going off the rails overnight, and I certainly don't have time in the morning to weigh in. Also don't want to leave a mess for the other mods to deal with tomorrow.
Again, my appreciation to the many who made thoughtful contributions.
Bluesince89
August 26th, 2020 at 4:59 PM ^
They don't give a flying fuck about either.
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Perkis-Size Me
August 26th, 2020 at 5:04 PM ^
I wonder how many people who claim to be pro-life are really just pro-birth.
There is a very distinct difference, and I find that many conservatives seem to be the latter vs. the former.
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TomTerrific
August 26th, 2020 at 5:47 PM ^
This is like saying I wonder how many people who claim to be pro-choice really want to protect a women's right to choose for her body vs having a baby was a mistake and is inconvenient.
This is also a very distinct difference.
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1VaBlue1
August 26th, 2020 at 6:04 PM ^
There's no difference there, actually. If the pregnancy was a mistake, she should be able to terminate it within the current lawful limits regardless of reason. You don't have to like the reason, but only she (and maybe the father) gets to decide that. Spare me your bigoted response and feel free to not get your own abortion. You don't get to come inside my bedroom and determine what my wife and I can decide.
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Perkis-Size Me
August 26th, 2020 at 7:37 PM ^
Amen
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ThisGuyFawkes
August 26th, 2020 at 6:12 PM ^
That's a very interesting** take...
Regardless, by allowing women to choose what happens to their body, your distinction is irrelevant. As a pro-choice individual I believe that women will carry nearly all of the physical, mental, financial and emotional burdens associated with bringing a child into this world (let's ignore the fact that they will continue to disproportionately continue to carry these burdens after the child is born). This is why, I support a woman's right to make a choice on whether or not she is prepared to carry those burdens based on all of the contributing factors in her life. But it could also be because I believe "C0ndOms are DUMB and abortionz are totally rad" -- either way, what I think is irrelevant, because it's not my decision to make.
**extremely shitty
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SalvatoreQuattro
August 26th, 2020 at 5:44 PM ^
If leftists cared as much about humans as their ideology huge sums of people would not have died under their ideologies. But they did.
This is a case of two assholes calling each other “asshole”.
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1VaBlue1
August 26th, 2020 at 7:11 PM ^
It wasn't 'leftists' that started both world wars. Or the Revolutionary War. Or the Civil War. But yeah, whatever...
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Fuzzy Navel
August 26th, 2020 at 5:01 PM ^
A+ straw man.
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MichLax
August 26th, 2020 at 5:03 PM ^
You just want more wage slaves and dead soldiers.
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SalvatoreQuattro
August 26th, 2020 at 5:45 PM ^
You just want more dead humans by mass starvation.
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Bluesince89
August 26th, 2020 at 6:03 PM ^
Please tell me how many mass starvations are going on in Sweden or Finland or Canada right now. No one is arguing for Maoism or Stalinism.
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SalvatoreQuattro
August 26th, 2020 at 6:12 PM ^
It starts with omnipotent government. It ends with gulags and totalitarianism
The faith people put in concentrated power is a further indication of just how similar Americans as a whole are to Germans in the 30’s. Americans already are susceptible to charismatic leaders.
Education system at all levels is failing us spectacularly.
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salami
August 26th, 2020 at 9:47 PM ^
Spot on SQ.
The fact that this comment has 14 downvotes says a lot about the wisdom and fuzzy thinking of many of the users on this board.
i would upvote this post 100 times if I could.
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LewisBullox
August 26th, 2020 at 10:09 PM ^
Can you actually explain how it's spot on? Can you explain how democratic governments in Europe, or Canada or even here are on track for gulags?
No. Of course you can't. It just a story that fits your sensibilities. And by using the word totalitarianism he sold you because once upon a time you both read Animal Farm. Brilliant.
How your sensibilities could be so far removed reality is another question, but that would be for your psychologist. Similarly, Quattro seems to still be living in the 1940s and 50s with his incessant fear mongering about gulags and Stalinism.
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1VaBlue1
August 26th, 2020 at 10:27 PM ^
Quattro is off-base, but I'll take a hack at his attempt... I think he was trying to say that the current version of the Rep Party is looking somewhat like the Nazi Party in the early 30's. The visual's from the RNC, the total focus on whatever Trump wants, the full-throated movement towards nationalism... Other than that, there are no similarities - the Republicans aren't going to start mass murdering opponents or starting wars to expand the country. They may go the route of Hungary or Belarus, but they aren't going full Nazi.
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LewisBullox
August 26th, 2020 at 9:50 PM ^
Didn't answer the question and then just spouted off more absurd claims that you can't even begin to support with anything approaching supporting evidence. You think you're a free thinker. You are missing the thinker part.
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WestwardHo
August 26th, 2020 at 5:15 PM ^
Yes, I'm sure you're very concerned about the lives and health of black children.
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username03
August 26th, 2020 at 5:16 PM ^
One is a personal choice performed by a doctor and the other is a state agent shooting a man 7 times in the back. I'm failing to see the connection.
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Nothing Special
August 26th, 2020 at 5:27 PM ^
I try not to get too political on these boards because it becomes just too toxic too fast. I really can't see a major difference between a doctor snuffing out a baby's life, versus these cops shooting this man in the back. Really sad and angering in both cases.
Alright, I'm out.
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username03
August 26th, 2020 at 5:38 PM ^
One of them can survive without life support the other can't.
Edit to add: The state agent thing is also relevant.
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Shop Smart Sho…
August 26th, 2020 at 5:40 PM ^
A fetus is not a baby.
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SalvatoreQuattro
August 26th, 2020 at 5:46 PM ^
A fetus is life. Life is a process that begins at conception and ends at death.
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username03
August 26th, 2020 at 5:54 PM ^
Does that include fetuses that were never going to be viable due to genetic abnormalities and which are eventually miscarried? Other types of miscarriages? Did their "life" begin at conception?
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SalvatoreQuattro
August 26th, 2020 at 5:56 PM ^
Yes.
I say this while acknowledging sovereignty of the body is sancrosanct.
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username03
August 26th, 2020 at 5:57 PM ^
Okay, fair enough, I would disagree but I have nothing to offer as proof so...
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SalvatoreQuattro
August 26th, 2020 at 6:13 PM ^
It’s an matter of opinion. No need for proof. Truly a subjective situation.
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B-Nut-GoBlue
August 26th, 2020 at 6:06 PM ^
Which type of cells constitute a life?! Because they're all living...but we don't care about all of them. An embryo for example isn't a fetus.
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theytookourjobs
August 26th, 2020 at 7:07 PM ^
You are wrong about this. Life begins at conception. You can't argue that
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username03
August 26th, 2020 at 7:45 PM ^
I did argue it and I would continue to do so if I didn't feel it was pointless.
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mooseman
August 26th, 2020 at 7:47 PM ^
Yes. Yes you can.
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ToledoWolverine
August 26th, 2020 at 9:34 PM ^
@theytookourjobs: Why does life begin at conception? Isn’t conception just part of a larger process? Part of that process is a mans body producing sperm cells. So really a guy masturbating to the point of ejaculation is murder, based on your process driven opinion. How many potential babies have you killed?
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B-Nut-GoBlue
August 26th, 2020 at 6:05 PM ^
Hahahha omg this post is amazing.
Babies are probably 1/5th of a person but get white catholics much more triggered than a 3/5ths of a person.
This is all fecetious of course. The OP though..whoa!
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UM2LosAngeles
August 26th, 2020 at 7:31 PM ^
This is a typical response to defend police killing unarmed blacks, next you will quote the black on black crime rate
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Bluesince89
August 26th, 2020 at 4:50 PM ^
Just some good guys with guns. Nothing to see here. Move along.
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Bluesince89
August 26th, 2020 at 5:00 PM ^
Intended this to be a reply to the comment above about the militia members who opened fire on the protesters. My bad. Also, didn't realize an /s was needed, but I guess so.
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NFG
August 26th, 2020 at 4:53 PM ^
“bUt hE HaD a NIfe!!”
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Bluesince89
August 26th, 2020 at 4:59 PM ^
Didn't you know that weapons only matter when black people have them?
Philando Castile, who was licensed to carry a weapon, and was doing what the law and common sense requires of him, which is tell the officer you are licensed to carry a weapon, was gunned down in an instant. NRA was completely silent. But a bunch of hillbillies can stroll around government buildings cosplaying Delta Farce and it's all good.
Hell, gun down a church of black people who invite you to Bible study, and you'll get Burger King.
This country is beyond repair.
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SalvatoreQuattro
August 26th, 2020 at 5:50 PM ^
Waco was burned down with 75 mostly people in it. Randy Weaver’s unarmed wife was shot and killed. A six year old boy was shot to death by a black cop just a few years ago. A white man died in 2018 from the same hood applied to George Floyd.
We just saw a troop of Black people in black gear and armed at Stone Mountain and nothing happened.
You live with blinders on.
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SFBayAreaBlue
August 26th, 2020 at 6:02 PM ^
Nice cherrypicking of history. A six year old boy was shot to death by a black cop just a few years ago. So not like hundreds of times in the last few months.... Something something, scale, statistics, histograms... Frequency of events....What you're really saying is that it's shitty both ways and needs to be fixed, and yes it needs to be fixed both ways. #independantpoliceoversight #endqualifiedimmunity
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Sopwith
August 26th, 2020 at 5:17 PM ^
I mean the Idaho legislature just got stormed by Ammon Bundy and his armed group of idiots. They all left alive and with a misdemeanor or two at most. As white privilege goes, that's the most white-priviligiest. And if it isn't, then it's second only to that time in 2016 his merry band o terrorists executed an armed takeover of a federal facility in a national park and didn't all end up dead or in Guantanamo.
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UWSBlue
August 26th, 2020 at 4:57 PM ^
Love it. Long overdue.
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bronxblue
August 26th, 2020 at 4:59 PM ^
Sounds like the Celtics and Raptors may also boycott. And it sounds like the Bucks were ready to forfeit the game and take the loss, so good on them.
I'm glad athletes feel comfortable and enabled to protest.
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The Granddaddy
August 26th, 2020 at 5:01 PM ^
Now that politics is 100% sports, I will offer my input: if that many police officers can’t tackle / otherwise subdue him before resorting to shooting him in the back, they needed to retire long ago.
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Hotel Putingrad
August 26th, 2020 at 5:46 PM ^
Yeah, I still don't understand why he wasn't cuffed when he started walking away rather than pumping him full of lead?
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mGrowOld
August 26th, 2020 at 6:06 PM ^
I've wondered that too. The only explanation I can come up with is they thought he was going for a gun.
No other reason to open fire that I can think of.
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Jon06
August 26th, 2020 at 7:41 PM ^
This is also the explanation the cop will come up with, and it will probably work, which will lead to more mayhem. But if they can kill him because they think he's going for a gun once he reaches the car, they should have been trained to tackle him before he gets anywhere near it.
There's no explanation that doesn't point to awful training, loss of control of the situation by police, and escalation by police to the point of a police [maiming]. And that's the friendliest possible interpretation of the situation. There's really no excuse.
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Hotel Putingrad
August 26th, 2020 at 8:12 PM ^
It's just bizarre. He was walking slowly all the way around the van. It's not like this was a split second situation. SMDH.
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SFBayAreaBlue
August 26th, 2020 at 6:04 PM ^
The real question is, why did it get to that point anyway? Wasn't he the one breaking up a fight? Some are saying he might be the one who called the cops. Facts are murky right now.
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mgobob
August 26th, 2020 at 8:51 PM ^
Try wrestling a person strung out and see well out that goes! Ex Detroit cop here, been there and tried to do it, did not turn out well for either of us.
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