OT: Better Call Saul final season, episode 8 (warning: spoilers)
I missed episode 8 last night but caught up today. Just keeps getting better (and darker)!
Howard’s death at the end of episode 7 was shocking, but the fact that he’s now buried next to Lalo under Gus’s meth lab is just so unfair.
Beyond that, now that Lalo is taken care of, the only real loose end during this timeline is what’s going to happen to Kim. With 5 episodes left, I have a feeling they’ll use 2-3 on the Gene T timeline. They also have to somehow incorporate Walt and Jesse, which will be interesting to see.
Lalo was such a great character but him being buried with Howard is dark. Mike standing over that grave and telling them to be careful while throwing Howard in a hole…..fucked up.
Mike takes it hard when people not "in the game" get hurt or killed.
I expected this whole last half of the season would be dealing with the Lalo threat, but they wrapped that up in one action packed episode.
They may incorporate Walt and Jesse, but they certainly don’t have to. Nothing says that they have to totally tie the two programs together completely. Having said that, for the last two seasons I have been ]expecting Walt and Saul to cross paths. I imagined one of them exiting a building and holding the door open for the other as he entered.
Their appearance has been confirmed. Both VG and Cranston and Paul have publicly said they are. And it isn’t just a “cameo” where you see them in the background. They enter the story somehow.
Why BCS doesn't have more Emmy nominations is beyond me. Rhea Seehorn deserves to win best supporting actress just on yesterday's Point and Shoot episode alone.
Does anyone know what the movie was on Jimmy and Kim's TV when Howard was dead on the floor and Lalo was holding them hostage?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_Yesterday_(1950_film)
When Mike came back with the team to the apartment and Jimmy/Saul was still tied to the chair why was there no sound on the television after Lalo turned it all the way up when he left?
Lalo smiling back as he strangled on his own blood was too quick a death.
We'll see Walt in episode 10 I believe.
Wasn’t expecting Lalo to be taken care of episode 1. Not really sure if I like just how predictable it was.
Wasn't expecting VS how predictable.
Kim was really going to pull that trigger for Saul. She wasn’t going to run for the cops or freedom like he wanted her to. She was going to pull that trigger then go be back with her husband. That’s deep and that’s why i love Vince and the shows he makes, i always feel something with his stories.
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That episode was absolutely fantastic. I am glad they took care of Lalo early because closing out too many storylines at the end could get messy from a plot standpoint. I still think Kim is going to get in touch with the vacuum salesman soon.
Maybe they stretched it a bit with the drawn out setup leading to Lalo's death. Lalo likes control and is loyal, but I felt he was too smart to drag it out.
Yes — I think Kim ends up in Nebraska, having purchased a brand new “vacuum”.
I was thinking the same thing since Kim was from Nebraska (and proximity to Gene) With that, I’m not sure if you are looking to disappear that you’d go back to your home state.
Vince directed that one as well. He has done so much good work beginning withThe X Files, I am excited to see what his next project will be.
Did not expect Lalo to be handled that quick into the second half of the season. Makes me wonder what they're going to do over the course of the final remaining episodes and what loose ends that they are able to tie up outside of Kim, because we obviously all know that Gus, Mike, Hector and the cousins all survive. Gus doesn't handle the remaining power brokers of the cartel until Breaking Bad so that won't be happening either, but Vince Gilligan has a way of continuing to surprise.
Have to say, it was really eerie that knowing the entire time Jesse and Walt were cooking in that lab, that Lalo and Howard were buried right under them. Just a really dark moment in an anthology that's full of dark moments.
As for Kim, I was fairly convinced for a while that Saul was going to inadvertently get her killed or she would decide he's in too deep and ran off to the vacuum salesman on her own. But now it just seems like Saul is going to send her away himself to protect her. Will they somehow cross paths one final time with Kim ordering some Cinnabon?
Absolutely fantastic television.
The one issue that I have is that I don't really see the motivation for Lalo's interest in what is going to become the super-lab. There is barely any Salamanca presence in New Mexico and the only reason Gus could run it is because of the Los Pollos Hermanos front and cover. Don Eladio never did any actual manufacturing and certainly wasn't going to do so in Albuquerque. Even when he wanted Jesse to cook for him it was going to be south of the border.
Hector wanted proof that Fring ordered the hit before Lalo took him out. I am not sure what anybody in the Salamanca crew was going to do with the lab if and when they took possession of it. I guess Lalo could have ran it but with who? Tuco?
I did not think I would enjoy BCS more then BB - both great television. Although great questions goblu330 I saw Lalo just hell bent with inner fury for revenge. Lalo taping on the hand held camera was simply his pleasure in the torment. He might have just as likely destroyed the lab once he killed the chicken man.
The lab represented a legitimate threat to the cartel's business interests, cutting them out of the picture completely. They wanted to just destroy it (and run their own lab south of the border- and eventually get Jesse to give them better yields).
That makes sense. Thanks.
Well, at some point the cartel eventually accepts Gus’ lab since that how it was in the BB timeline. Perhaps Gus gave Don Eladio some extra gravy to allow it.
We can predict a few things are going to happen, just not how or when:
-Gus finishes the lab construction, and we will see Gale get involved as a consultant for the equipment
-With Howard out of the way, the Sandpiper lawsuit will resolve and Saul and Kim will come into A LOT of money (remember that mansion being dismantled in the first episode of the season?), but they won't live happily ever after.
-Kim will eventually need a dust filter for a Hoover Max Extract Pressure Pro Model 60
-Walt and Jesse will need a criminal lawyer, so I think that will be the (brief) tie-in to Breaking Bad
-I can't help but feel that something shocking will happen to Jimmy/Saul at the very end, the "Gene" scenes seem to occur after the end of Breaking Bad, so the story will not actually end at the conclusion of Better Call Saul, but jump well ahead.
In Lalos death scene after they shot the guns at each other Gus checked if he was shot and saw blood and slumped over. Lalos status or face was not seen or known.
I found out online that scene was not what everyone else apparently saw. Online the scene was Lalo choking on his own blood, he laughs and dies with Gus over him.
Anyone hear about this or see it? I can't find anything about it online. I feel like I'm in some weird prank.
I found out online that scene was not what everyone else apparently saw. Online the scene was Lalo choking on his own blood, he laughs and dies with Gus over him.
I watched this episode online with the AMC app that this is exactly what I saw.
I watched in on AMC (via slingtv) and the second version with Lalo choking on his blood with Gus standing over him was what I saw.
I watched on Cable/Spectrum. I saw Lalo choking on his own blood.
This show is so good. I totally forgot that Walt and Jesse are going to cameo. Seems like Jesse almost has to be in the Gene part of the timeline since Aaron Paul is now in his 40's and would be just out of high school in the Saul part of the show.
They can do a lot with makeup, particularly if it is just a short scene. As of the Gene timeline, Jesse is either Jack's prisoner or is in Alaska so it would be a stretch for him to see Saul in Nebraska. Walt could see him there, on a quick stop in Nebraska on his way from New Hampshire to New Mexico but he would have no idea where to look and no reason to at all that I can think of except to kill him but why?
But I have learned to trust these writers no matter what. However they incorporate them will make complete sense and add to the story. Gilligan has said that the ending of Better Call Saul will significantly alter the audience understanding of the events of Breaking Bad so I actually think it is going to be in the "real time" Breaking Bad timeline.
There are any number of reasons Jesse could cross paths with Gene. We do not know exactly how far in the future the Gene timeline is, nor do we know what happened to Jesse after heading to Alaska. That said, I had not heard the thing about altering the understanding of BB so that adds a very interesting dynamic.
I don't see why Kim would have to go into hiding with Lalo out of the picture. Jimmy certainly had a very public persona in BB so they shouldn't have had to fear for their lives. Jimmy appears so miserable in Nebraska it seems like he would ditch his Gene identity and reunite with Kim for a happy ending - but neither BB or BCS have ever been very predictable.
I think it is more likely that Kim is completely guilt ridden and becomes a "problem dog." She might have to go to Belize. Saul would obviously never suggest or take part in it but it would not be his call.
I have no idea what will happen but I think the thing people may be missing is that Saul was a pretty ancillary character in BB. He easily could have had a wife at home and there would have been no reason for us to know that.
I thought the same thing for a while but his gold-toilet mansion is not how Kim would have rolled IMO. He also frequently gets "massages" in Breaking Bad and he basically worships Kim so if she stayed with him I doubt that would be happening. It is also noteworthy that as of right now, Saul is absolutely terrified of violence. He hasn't completely turned yet. By the Breaking Bad timeline, murder is often his first suggestion to solve a problem. I think something significant has to happen with Kim.
There is a deleted scene in BB (season 3), where Saul says he's been married 3 times. In the BCS scene when he gets married to Kim at the court house, Saul has to provide proof of his past 2 divorces. So it fits that Kim was his 3rd wife and that they divorced by the time the BB timeline begins.
One thing I’ve been thinking - if something really awful happens to Kim, how could Saul be so happy-go-lucky at the beginning of Breaking Bad??
I never saw Saul as happy-go-lucky in Breaking Bad. He was a scumbag without a conscious but he did not seem happy.
He didn’t seem like he was bearing the burden of a wife who had been executed as a result of his influence on her.
I’m thinking of moments like his visit to Walt’s classroom, his cocky banter with the DEA, and lines like “you two suck at peddling meth!”
Kim will survive - and come back to be Jimmy’s lawyer when he is arrested by the feds
I for one cannot wait for this season’s ‘Ozymandis’ episode. We all know it is coming