M-Dog

July 21st, 2016 at 12:42 PM ^

I wonder how relaible these pre-season betting lines have been over the years?

Does somebody really "know something", or is it just a herd mentality, with people picking the hot name of the day? 

lilpenny1316

July 21st, 2016 at 12:43 PM ^

That's the only reason.  A reasonable person would not be crazy about road games at MSU, Iowa and OSU.  How many teams, not named Alabama, roll through three top 15 teams on the road?  Maybe losing only one of those three games gets us to the B1G title game and the CFP, especially if it's Iowa, but it's not that easy of a path without a known quantity starting at QB.

 

Ghost of Fritz…

July 21st, 2016 at 12:57 PM ^

Iowa, MSU and OSU games are later in the season.  So, unlike an early seasoon loss, any loss will much more ikely eliminate M from finishing in the top 4.  Early season loses have less impact on the final ranking than November loses. 

So I suppose M will just have to win them all.

What if M plays Iowa twice?  At Iowa and in the B10 CCG. 

drzoidburg

July 21st, 2016 at 7:46 PM ^

nah it's losing the tiebreaker for the division that's devastating. We're practically required to beat ohio state every year, just like teams in SEC west have it rough. Since ohio state didn't make the playoff last year with a last second loss to the conference champion as their only blemish, i have to say we'll never see 2 teams from the same conference even though it happened under the 2 team "playoff," that was driven by polls, not a committee

ijohnb

July 21st, 2016 at 1:21 PM ^

Let's put them at 15 preseason, that seems to be a fair estimation.  Their first seven games.

Furman - win

@ ND - loss

Wisconsin - win

@ Indiana - win (close)

BYU - win

Northwestern - win

@ Maryland - lol

 

What would possibly make you believe that MSU won't be a Top 15 team when we play them.  Even with a loss to ND, if we keep up our end of the bargain I expect it to be a Top 10 matchup.

dragonchild

July 22nd, 2016 at 9:54 AM ^

They have a problem finishing games.

I'm scared of any game when we get that goddamn crew that officiated both UM-MSU and MSU-Nebraska last year.  That's two straight games where they basically dictated who won (no not the muffed punt itself but if they'd called the game fairly it never would've been that close).

And OSU.  I hate Urban Meyer with the intensity of a. . . intense, but that program is legit.

Mr Miggle

July 21st, 2016 at 1:09 PM ^

Not many have Iowa as a top 15 team this season and MSU is a borderline pick. We have PFF's top rated defense in the country. What a lot of posters here think is our biggest weakness is the OL. They were just rated the #4 unit in the country by Foxsports. The one position Harbaugh is rightly known for developing is QB. It doesn't take a blind homer to bet on Michigan. Every team has some difficulties in front of them, not just us. Having said all that, I wouldn't give us better odds than Alabama.

LJ

July 21st, 2016 at 1:13 PM ^

I dunno man, betting markets tend to be pretty predictive of future performance -- as good as anything else out there.  This has been covered a billion times, but if popular teams' betting lines were inaccurate because lots of fans bet on their favorite teams, you could clean up by just always betting against popular teams.  It doesn't work that way.

HateSparty

July 21st, 2016 at 1:19 PM ^

Because you don't know who the starting quarterback is doesn't mean there isn't one.  I know other "experts" have also said as much.  I tend to believe Harbaugh is more decisive in this area and looks for specific things like moxey and agility.  I believe he feels he can coach the mechanics and reading defenses.  

 

I would be surprised if he is unsure right now.  He pegged Rudock before he set foot here, in essence.  and he was brilliant for it.

somewittyname

July 21st, 2016 at 1:31 PM ^

Because betting is relative to odds not simply who you think will win it all. As the article notes, we started at 15/1 and now are 7/1, which still isn't quite as good as Bama. The fact that a lot of people put money on us meant they liked our chances relative to the odds.

To illustrate, let's say Bama, OU, Mich are all 5/1 odds but FSU is 30/1. Where do you think the money is going to go? Does that mean people think FSU is the most likely team to win it all? No.


All that said, it's safe to say people think very highly of our chances.

LJ

July 21st, 2016 at 2:17 PM ^

I agree with all that -- I think the amount of money put on Michigan is irrelevant.  But think the fact that Michigan's odds are pretty close to Bama's to win the title means that people think Michigan is about as likley to win the title as Bama, and that prediction is a pretty good reflection of the probability of future events.

LJ

July 21st, 2016 at 3:38 PM ^

Again, if that were true, all you'd have to do to win big at sports gambling is recognize that more people bet on popular teams than unpopular ones, and then you just bet on the unpopular ones, recognizing the odds have been improperly skewed against them.

If you can point in the direction of all the people who got rich doing that, I'll buy your argument.