February 13th, 2017 at 9:05 AM ^
Long way to go.
February 13th, 2017 at 9:11 AM ^
February 13th, 2017 at 9:17 AM ^
Things will probably heat up once the summer hits, but it's not like Michigan isn't positioning itself to land great talent. In state: Aidan Hutchinson, Marquan McCall, Ryan Hayes, Antwan Reed. Out of State: Tyler Friday, TJ Pledger, DTR, Will Mallory, Jeremy Ruckert, BJ Foster, Nik Bonitto, Isaac Taylor-Stuart.
February 13th, 2017 at 9:45 AM ^
We haven't offered Ryan Hayes.
February 13th, 2017 at 9:53 AM ^
Its a down year for the state of Michigan talent wise, so positioning themselves for in-state talent isn't going to have the same overall results it did last year. Hence all the "why so many 3 and 4-star projections?" cries after Brian's 2018 offense and defense recruiting overviews.
February 13th, 2017 at 11:27 AM ^
Not sure about the others on the in-state list, but I saw Hutchinson play last year. He's good, but I'm not sure his offer isn't more of the legacy type than anything else.
To be fair, I only saw one game. Didn't seem like a 3*-4* type that should've been dominating the kids across the line from him, many of whom won't even get a MAC offer, let alone many D3 offers.
Hope I'm wrong.
February 13th, 2017 at 11:30 AM ^
LSU and Nebraska have also offered, so he must be doing something right.
February 13th, 2017 at 11:34 AM ^
There you go. Didn't know that. Must've had an off night.
Thanks.
February 13th, 2017 at 11:36 AM ^
How do you see the midwest talent for the 2018 class? I read that it that it is supposed to be a deeper class compared to the top heavy 2017 class. Can't remember where I read that, but it could have been a msu writer trying to pump up their 2018 class.
February 13th, 2017 at 11:54 AM ^
It's hard for me to say. I tend to follow Michigan targets and then players within the State of Michigan. So as for the midwest (Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, etc.), I don't have a great grasp on what kind of talent is out there, aside from a relatively small group of kids.
In the State of Michigan itself, I think it's a down year. I've looked at film of the top 25-30 kids in the state, at least, and I'm not seeing a lot of difference-makers.
February 13th, 2017 at 12:47 PM ^
Magnus - DID M have an offer out to Gervin? Is he a "difference-maker" in your opinion?
Odd to have a Cass kid go to a floundering program so early in the process, isn't it? Is there a connec there that hasn't been revealed before in this site projecting him into our '18 class?
February 13th, 2017 at 12:52 PM ^
Yes, Michigan had offered Gervin.
I think Gervin is the #2 player in the state, but I don't see him as a difference-maker. He's a solid prospect, but there are plenty of others out there who can make similar contributions, IMO.
It's a little odd to have him go to Notre Dame so early in the process, but Michigan wasn't pursuing him very hard.
I don't know of any significant connections between Gervin and Notre Dame, but he was high on them prior to getting the offer. He has a lot of other solid offers, but not the truly elite teams (Clemson, Alabama, etc.).
February 13th, 2017 at 1:10 PM ^
Thanks as always for taking the time to answer questions, Further down someone says Gervin is tight with another ND commit Ovie (I'm not gonna butcher the last name, you know who I mean I'm sure)
I had wondered how hard the staff was pursuing him - or any in-state kids aside from Hutchinson?
And are you able to elaborate on why McCall may quit playing football? He is also projected in M's '18 class on this site...
February 13th, 2017 at 1:19 PM ^
Ovie Oghoufo from Farmington Hills (MI) Harrison is the ND commit. I hadn't heard that they're tight (and didn't see it below), but that makes some sense.
To be honest, I don't think Michigan is recruiting anyone in the state very hard right now. I think there are bigger fish to fry. A lot of these kids are second-tier prospects. There are a couple 4-stars, but they're more in the 200-400 range than the guys like Ambry Thomas who are top-100 types.
I'm not willing to elaborate on the McCall thing, but we'll see. He's still getting offers and taking visits. I'm not saying anything is definitive, but there are some questions.
February 13th, 2017 at 11:44 AM ^
I was actually more impressed with DC's QB, Theo Day. Kid had some wheels, a nice arm. Seemed pretty cocky, though. Had something to say after every play.
If I were that good at his age, I'm sure I would've been worse, though. Lol.
February 13th, 2017 at 11:55 AM ^
Day is a pretty good prospect. He's got a strong arm and he can run in a straight line. I'm not a huge fan of his pocket presence/awareness, though, and I think that's a big concern for a QB.
February 13th, 2017 at 12:03 PM ^
That's pretty fair, compared to what I remember. I remember he was pretty quick, like you said, in a straight line. I don't remember a lot of shake or wiggle, though.
I want to say I remember a strip/sack, but I'm not 100% sure. I know they got some pressure on him that he could've handled better.
DC was definitely the better team that night. Day was a big part of that.
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February 13th, 2017 at 9:54 AM ^
Everything? It was in response to the "long way to go" comment, which kinda implies that Michigan will flip him. Which is why I asked how often they've flipped someone.
February 13th, 2017 at 9:58 AM ^
February 13th, 2017 at 10:12 AM ^
Good joke, but its a self own. Because....fun facts!
Over the last 5 seasons, Notre Dame is 43-21 while Michigan is 40-24.
Over the last 10 seasons, both programs are 75-52.
So if Notre Dame isn't a top program...
February 13th, 2017 at 10:20 AM ^
there are the forfeited wins for academic cheating. More importantly there is also current trajectory.
February 13th, 2017 at 10:29 AM ^
The one season long trajectory? Let's maybe wait another season or two before calling it a trajectory. Notre Dame was the exact same 10-3 Michigan was in 2015.
Also, no one outside of the NCAA and rival fans give a crap about forfeited wins.
February 13th, 2017 at 10:34 AM ^
facts on Notre Dame and would have taken it as a joke. Thank you for letting me know the correct parameters for trajectory though.
Hope the rest of your day goes better.
February 13th, 2017 at 11:00 AM ^
February 13th, 2017 at 10:56 AM ^
go eat a burger dude
February 13th, 2017 at 11:36 AM ^
February 13th, 2017 at 11:00 AM ^
A LOT of people care about forfeited wins and do not count them. It matters.
February 13th, 2017 at 11:04 AM ^
February 13th, 2017 at 5:42 PM ^
You are such a smart and objective contrarian! Keep fighting the good fight keeping the fanbase in check!
February 13th, 2017 at 10:53 AM ^
February 13th, 2017 at 10:29 AM ^
I'm sure you'll reach the bottom soon...
February 13th, 2017 at 10:31 AM ^
Is the bottom where the truth is?
February 13th, 2017 at 11:03 AM ^
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February 13th, 2017 at 2:37 PM ^
Who said I loved Notre Dame? I just said they were essentially the same as Michigan in terms of being a "top program" which apparently most of you disagree with.
Michigan fans like to think of the Wolverines like they are a top 10 or top 5 program, but when it comes to winning and losing games (the things that actually matter), they've been more of a fringe top 25 team for the last two decades -- the time frame that actually matters to the kids they are recruiting.
I've done the research on this for a project for work, and their 64.2% winning percentange from 1996-2016 ranks 22nd. Right below Iowa, tied with BYU, and one spot better than Nebraska. Ohio State is 2nd, Wisconsin is 9th, Penn State is 20th, Notre Dame is 28th, and MSU is 30th in case you're curious.
And there's no good way to look up recruits Michigan has flipped without spending some serious time. Quickest way was to ask the board and the hivemind.
February 13th, 2017 at 2:46 PM ^
Not sure why you're banging this drum so hard. Going back to 2012 conveniently includes ND's fluky 12-1 season, while counting three of Hoke's years for us. I don't think anyone is arguing that we were elite under Hoke; we wouldn't have fired him otherwise. Nor does anyone (besides yourself, apparently) think that ND is elite now. ND's own fans wouldn't argue that.
February 13th, 2017 at 10:38 PM ^
Where are the two programs right know?. We will find out next year when we go to ND. Good luck to ND and Gervin because there going to need it. And 2019 could even be a bigger thumping. As far as Gervin goes, Magnus said it best as we have bigger fish to fry.
February 13th, 2017 at 5:26 PM ^
Umm I think one was named Donovan Jeter and as he walked out the door had some choice words for ND.
February 13th, 2017 at 5:26 PM ^
Umm I think one was named Donovan Jeter and as he walked out the door had some choice words for ND.
February 13th, 2017 at 12:03 PM ^
February 13th, 2017 at 11:01 AM ^
It's ok to just take a joke sometimes. Really.
February 13th, 2017 at 11:07 AM ^
February 13th, 2017 at 12:01 PM ^
Fun facts: It was a joke.
Also fun facts:
Record with Current Coach:
ND- 58-29*- .667
UM- 20-6- .769
Record last two seasons:
ND 14-11
UM 20-6