Josh Gattis fired up on Twitter
There is some speculation that he is subtweeting Penn State and James Franklin.
Since 2015 @CoachJim4UM has the 8️⃣th Best record in the country!
— Josh Gattis (@Coach_Gattis) May 20, 2020
Out of Conference Games against
Utah, BYU, Florida (3x), UCF, Colorado, Fla. St, South Carolina, Notre Dame (2x), Bama, Cincy, Washington
Meanwhile some schools play 1-AA’s or won’t play others in-state! pic.twitter.com/UXAGXzf9qG
We know what game matters.....
— Josh Gattis (@Coach_Gattis) May 20, 2020
But you can’t say Michigan hides behind a easy schedule unlike others!
The truth is the truth!
He posted this within the last hour.
Absolute 0% reference to a school it’s the state of college football scheduling!
— Josh Gattis (@Coach_Gattis) May 20, 2020
There are states with P5 schools in the same state that don’t play each other
He's right, too. I mean Notre Dame has been ducking Indiana since 1991 -- and that's the only time they've played since 1958.
I'm not saying Penn State is ducking Temple but it is kind of interesting they won't play them again until 2026...
Give me Clemson's schedule last year each and every year. They weren't penalized for it one bit.
That is a terrible take.
Why should they have been penalized? They were clearly the 2nd best team in the country last year. Beat OSU and hung with LSU until late.
They've been in how many straight national championships?
If Michigan had Clemson's resume over the past 5 years...then I'd say the same thing about us.
If that was North Carolina instead of Clemson, no way they're not penalized. They're a slightly more respectable UCF.
But it wasn't UCF or Carolina. It was Clemson.
The Big 12 and the Pac-12 get penalized every year for weak schedules. If they don't run the table, they're out.
So clearly the committee is looking at the schedule. However if you're the 2nd best program in recent history...you get a little bit of a pass.
Let's win two National Championships and go to three more...see if the we don't get a little wiggle room in year 6.
Your take is actually worse. He is correct, Clemson played a much easier regular season schedule than Michigan. That is a fact. Michigan had an opportunity to play 12 regular season games in the 2019 season. 5 of those 12 opponents were ranked in the top 25 to end the season.
Clemson played 12 regular seasons as well. They played... zero teams that ended the season in the top 25. My point is not that Clemson isn't a great team, they are. My point is that if you handed Clemson Michigan's schedule it is far less likely then end up in the playoff to begin with.
I am not arguing they should be penalized because I don'r believe they should. If someone wanted to make the argument that 10-2 Alabama (losses to LSU #1, Aub. #7) belonged to go over a Clemson team with zero Top 25 wins, it would be hard to argue that.
Clemson's schedule is closer to UCF's than it is to Michigan's.
If Michigan had the Clemson type of schedule, Harbaugh would have gotten the the playoff at least once, or likely twice.
That, in turn, would totally change recruiting and...he would have a perpetual motion machine spinning up at high velocity.
The 'easy schedule until conf CCG' is not possible BC Michigan is in the East division of the Big Ten.
Still, scheduling OOC games that are losable if M has a bad day (Army, UCinn) plus games against teams on a similar level (at Washington) just make it harder.
BC M is i the Big Ten East, even if Michigan were to pay only bad MAC teams for OOC, it would be impossible for 'easy schedule' to be a cause for Michigan (or any other Big Ten East team) to miss the playoff as overall Big Ten champ.
The only answer to this is a big enough playoff to not disincentivize scheduling OOC games that are a) possible losses and b) where strength of schedule is a consideration.
A 16 or 32 team playoff opens the door to this sort of thing. A 4 team "beauty contest" requiring undefeated teams scheduling cup cakes all the time, does not.
The only answer to this is a big enough playoff to not disincentivize scheduling OOC games that are a) possible losses and b) where strength of schedule is a consideration.
A 16 or 32 team playoff opens the door to this sort of thing. A 4 team "beauty contest" requiring undefeated teams scheduling cup cakes all the time, does not.
You just made my point on Clemson's schedule.
And if they hadn't have had the success they've had, winning national championships and all. They wouldn't be in the playoff every year.
I literally just said that!
Just like how the B12 and P12 get frozen out if teams lose a game. Clemson gets the benefit of the doubt because of HISTORY.
Michigan does not have that history.
If it did...we'd be in the same boat as Clemson.
So no, my take was not worse...you just don't know how to comprehend.
Clemson is a great team -- but they are in the All Creampuff Conference.
They don't have to play many tough games compared to other upper-level teams.
They have one of the easiest paths into the playoffs.
Agreed. Given Clemson's schedule, a 10-2 SEC or Big 10 team, maybe even one that went 9-3 depending on the exact schedule and results, would belong in the playoffs over them. I'd even give it to an 11-1 Big 12 or PAC 12 team over a 12-0 ACC team.
There's always talk about making the playoffs more fair and who gets in vs who gets left out. We really just need to split to new divisions with the Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and PAC 12 in their own division and the ACC, AAC, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West, and Sun Belt in their own division. Then you just have an easy four team playoff from the conference champions.
Good points. I like the super conference idea by having SEC, B1G, Pac12, etc play each other during the regular season.
I have often thought Clemson would lose 1 or 2 games each season if they in the B1G East or SEC West division. Given that Clemson squeaked by a few times in each of the past few season from much lesser opponents.
Totally agree. Add to that is that playing tougher teams take a physical and mental toll on teams. That doesn't happen when you are breezing through a weak schedule and the only doubt is how much you will run up the score by. Injuries and fatigue are way worse when you are playing teams like Wisconsin, Penn State, and Michigan State in your conference in addition to a powerhouse like Ohio State not to mention all the mid level conference teams that can give you a fight in the Big 10. I have no respect for teams like Clemson that play nobody. They are able to use the season as a tuneup for the playoffs instead of just trying to survive.
I find it kind of ridiculous that he's including bowl opponents in that
first thing i thought, too.
Nobody told him that Bowl games don't count, even though they count against your record.
All bowl games aren't created equal.
A bowl game against Bama should totally count the same as Memphis and Wake Forest.
We didn't schedule those games though...they were scheduled for us.
Did we have to play in that particular bowl, knowing Bama was the opponent? I thought you have to accept the invite.
Everybody knows Bama was the 4th/5th best team in the country, but because Memphis was a "conference winner", Penn State lucked up/ducked and played them.
He's also including Florida, South Carolina, and FSU which we all lost to.
Penn State has played USC and Washington as well.
Michigan also beat Florida
Twice.
And then they fired their coach, hired the guy who was plan B behind Harbaugh, and crushed us.
He also has more top ten wins and bowl wins in two years than Harbaugh has in five.
I thought I remember Mullen stating he wasn’t interested in the UM job.
The team won't, but its captain will.
Call me crazy conspiracy theorist, but I think there are plenty out there that wanted to put Michigan in the Bowl game vs Alabama solely to see Jim Harbaugh get his ass handed to him and make him look like a fool. No way Michigan should have been put in that game. The outcome was known the second it was scheduled.
You're a crazy conspiracy theorist and I totally agree with you.
For many of our players these bowl games that count were considered meaningless. Go figure.
Bowl games count in the overall record last I checked.
Last I checked we've lost 4 of them.
Could anybody else easily imagine this scenario playing out?
OSU fan (hates Michigan with every fiber of his being): *very slanted and exaggerated dig against Michigan*
UMxWolverines (purported Michigan fan): “Totally. High five!”
Our fanbase could certainly do without toxic individuals like him.
And the Michigan fan base could do without "Michigan Fans" that aren't willing to look at the objective truth...which is....Michigan is not in a very good place currently and it has a Coach that can't get the job done after 5 years.
1. 1-4 in Bowl Games with most of the performances truly embarrassing with what looks like horrible preparation.
2. 0-5 verse OSU with two of the most historic ass kickings in Michigan's 100+ year old history.
3. Cannot beat a ranked team on the road.
4. In 5 years he has not been able recruit and develop a single quarterback into an above average B10 QB.
And don't give me the crap that Lloyd Carr's teams were the same. Go look at his record verse ranked opponents. Go look at the NFL talent on those teams. Go look at how many starting QB's, RB's and #1 WR were drafted in succession. Furthermore, OSU was an amazing team back then too (admittedly not exactly up to today's standards). Goodness sake, how many potential National Championships did Carr prevent OSU from having with beating them? 1-2 for sure!!!
I love Michigan Football. I am rooting like Hell for the best for this program. But I have more respect for an OSU fan that can objectively look at our program than Michigan fans that stick their head the sand and only see rainbows, unicorns and think Jim Harbaugh is just one amazing coach.
Yeah, well that may be, but at least I never slept with Lumbergh.
1. UF in 2018 was awful, but half the team was gone to the pros or hurt. 2016 was a great game they probably should have won. 2015 was a win. 2017 was a debacle but a Higdon fumble away from a win. 2019 was a great game plan against probably the 3rd best team in the country.
2. Conceded. Though Carr never faced in OSU machine at this level before, not even close. OSU is as good or better now then they have ever been. Still should have won in 2016, and his game plan was vastly superior to Meyer's in 2017; submarined by a 3rd string QB.
3. Lie
4. The dumbest who-gives-a-shit-about-that canard of the Harbaugh era.
Harbaugh brought your team back from the worst period in its history dogshit to 9-3, and has been whispers away from a playoff. Doing better than that will take some good luck rather than the shit luck he's had so far. Just thank him and be on your way.
Harbaugh didn’t bring Michigan back. That is ridiculous. Harbaugh’s results are what happens when you hire a qualified coach and support him.
Rich Rod, a qualified coach who had multiple people inside the program actively working to torpedo him and hurt the team. Can’t blame his results wholly on RR.
Then the biggest DB of and AD hires a great man, but a coach way over his skis in Hoke. Hoke had no business whatsoever in being the head coach of Michigan. That he had 1-2 seasons of really good results is amazing.
Harbaugh isn’t some great savior that did something amazing. Any qualified coach that Michigan hired and actually supported 100% could give Michigan equivalent results.
Michigan was worse in the 1960s so it was not the worst period ever.
Also 2-11 against the top ten and 0-5 against OSU is not our historical average.
Mind you he wasn't hired to get us to historical average (which is higher than any other program not OSU by the way) he was hired to win championships.
RichRod was the worst in the modern era. Brady Hoke won 11 games, and despite collapsing to a final 5-7 year, was a play away from shocking Urban and OSU. Hoke's teams didn't lack talent. Harbaugh has had some "nice" wins at Michigan, but where is the coach that took Stanford and upset Pete Carroll's mighty USC team? I think that Jim Harbaugh is gone. Hell, even when Lloyd kept going 8-4 or 9-4 before 97, it felt like Michigan underachieved based on their talent but at least one of those wins was OSU. With Harbaugh, Michigan probably won't ever go worse than 7-5...But I also don't think they'll ever go undefeated or even 1 loss.
lost me at Rich Rod qualified coach
I wonder if other fanbases count almost wins as much as ours does
Agreed. I have never seen such a large contingent of Michigan fans hold on to an OSU victory that "we almost won". Holy crap how far we have fallen.
We turned the ball over 3 times. We had a team stacked with NFL talent. JH should have won that game and he didn't. We lost. There is nothing redeeming about that loss. There is no moral victory in that loss. We should have won. We didn't. That was a bad loss.
Lakeyale13...I appreciate you telling it like it is. It's rare that a fellow Michigan fan looks at that 2016 game and realizes we lost. There was no "screw job". Like you said, 3 turnovers...Defense playing great for 3 quarters and offense not taking advantage. And then the last drive, you can't let the RB(forgot who it was) go from like a 5-7 yard loss, reverse field and gain yardage. Jabrill Peppers was right there to make the play. The Iowa game the week before, even more brutal. I understand Speight might've been playing hurt but what an ultra conservative gameplan. Then top it off with FSU, take the lead and give up a huge kickoff return and let them come right down and score. Sure you can call it bad luck, bounces, whatever. The good teams find ways to win those games, not make excuses.
So because Harbaugh hasn't had any 5-7 Hoke like seasons, and brought Michigan back to mediocrity he's above criticism? Thats interesting. First off, he's changed the OCs so damn much it's no wonder why the offensive development is sorely lacking. I know I know, i'm sure i'll see the assistant coaches are sought after excuse, oh but they aren't at other places? You have to keep a system in place if you want to be anything resembling a OSU type offense. I know everyone loves to talk about the spot in the '16 game, but Harbaugh could take some blame for passing with Speight out of his own end zone which resulted in disaster. He totally missed on Shea Patterson. Sorry, Michigan has similar records these last 2 seasons playing Mccaffrey or Milton. Maybe even better record last year if those guys have that experience. Yes, he had a great chance in 2016 to win a Big10 championship and playoff appearance, Michigan was definitely just a marginally better QB away from that. I don't like how this team plays on the road. This is going on a couple seasons now. Completely sleepwalk through the first halves of games against Wisconsin and PSU last season, they have no mental toughness it seems to bounce back from a turnover, collapsing in bowl games. Idk, just my opinion but I think even if Harbaugh finds his Andrew Luck, there's other issues that'll keep them from ever getting to Indy or the playoffs under him. I want to be wrong on that, but I also wanted Donnie Brown gone after another debacle last year.
Well said man. I'm tired of coaches talking in the offseason period. I never heard players in the 90s say things like Hudson "We have better players at Michigan" or even Winovich talking about a "mirage". It's no wonder the players are all talk, the coaches are doing it as well. Don Brown "OSU better be ready" just STOP. Stop acting like you're so great before playing a down of football. Just goto work, and win something for once.
I find it kind of ridiculous that you’re a Michigan fan.
Why's that Cam? Because he demands more out of this program? Because he and others like me are tired of the defense looking outstanding against poor competition and pedestrian against real offenses? This team is coached by a former NFL QB, and yet statistically the offense has been mediocre at best since he's been here. Imagine if Brown's defenses were just mediocre? What kind of record would Harbaugh have? What exactly is Jim Harbaugh's specialty now that he gave the offensive reigns to Gattis? Recruiter? It certainly isn't his 2 minute drill skills or in game coaching decisions.
Hot take: You can build a lot of momentum beating up on OOC nobodies. Going into November/December undefeated while beating up on nobodies is worth something.
Minnesota is the latest example.
Maybe, but eventually people start wondering about the schedule your team played. Its a great tactic for building up a team, but you have to prove it in the conference schedule. This whole obsession people have with playing cupcakes is out of control.