Hoke on shane morris late in game
hoke on the radio was asked why shane came in the game. said they were gonna make a change but decided not to because devin is a senior and it was special for him to finish the game, his last time playing against MSU. my response is what the hell dude. play to win the damn game. he tries way to hard to baby his players. he coaches them soft and in return they play soft. devin makes so many mistakes and he knows that they won't bench him.
October 25th, 2014 at 10:10 PM ^
We would've lost to PSU and Miami (NTM) would've been scary but probably still a W.
The offense is awful now, but when Shane is QB it basically just ceases to exist
October 25th, 2014 at 11:01 PM ^
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October 25th, 2014 at 7:41 PM ^
And all of the story. There is nothing more to say on it. So let's all agree to try not to ask again: ok? I mean, it's like this:
Oh. Devin is playing badly again. Bring in a backup?
Oh. Yeah. Right. We tried them all. And they're all worse options right now. Not any shred of question on that. So we just have to live with DG & hope more good DG starts showing up, for longer
October 25th, 2014 at 7:54 PM ^
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October 25th, 2014 at 7:58 PM ^
We may have beaten Minny had Gardner started.
Now today, Devin's legs did no damage against the MSU defense. They've got the Gardner kryptonite.
But against IU, NW, and MD, I strongly believe Devin gives us the best chance to win.
October 25th, 2014 at 11:00 PM ^
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October 26th, 2014 at 12:29 AM ^
against Minny.
My guess is that percentage is higher than what we achieved in the rest of the game.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:02 PM ^
What is the point of playing Gardner though? This season is over. There's nothing left to play for. So why not play Morris and get a head start on next year?
October 25th, 2014 at 8:13 PM ^
Look, I know that for us, as fans, there's nothing left that this team could achieve that will make up for what's happened so far. But there are still 4 games to play. Winning three of those would mean going to a bowl game. Winning the last game of the season would mean beating our most hated rival. The kids on the field still have something left to play for. Taking that away from them on top of the shitty season they are already have is not fair to them.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:55 PM ^
It gives the players 15 more practices and training. OSU is still OSU. A winning record is a winning record. You only have so many snaps in your life time. CFB is fun and important to these kids and to the program.
October 25th, 2014 at 9:25 PM ^
Who would coach these practices? Hoke? His track record in the area leave me skeptical it would do much good.
I think it would be more important to get young players game experience.
October 26th, 2014 at 1:37 AM ^
playing for each other, for the time of their lives and some of them for the NFL draft. The young guys would get experience as well.
There is a ton more to play for here.
That said - I think the team would perform marginally better under Nuss. Nuss has a poor row to hoe and the rest of the season would give him a bullet on his resume come next year. I don't think Hoke would be bitter at this. He knows the expectation. If he was gracious Mattison would stick it out until the end I think for the sake of the kids who play for him.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:39 PM ^
Funniest part is Morris' throw wasn't that bad either.... This is just beyond stupid reasoning on Hoke's part.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:40 PM ^
Hoke just seems to have the dumbest reason for all his decisions, really stupid shit answers- waffling, indecisive, no real priorities, just stupid ass muddled thinking
What is his IQ? Room temperature?
October 25th, 2014 at 7:41 PM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 7:40 PM ^
Correct--Hoke shouldn't even have considered letting Morris see the field in that situation.
We know how good Gardner is, we know how good Morris is. The fact that there is still a QB controversy in some people's minds (including the coaching staff) is baffling.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:41 PM ^
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October 25th, 2014 at 7:43 PM ^
That was a rivalry jug game and he stuck with Morris until the bitter end. I honestly think Hoke is losing it. He's starting to sound like Rod Marinelli towards the end of his Lions tenure.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:47 PM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 7:47 PM ^
There will no bowl season. The season is a lost cause
He Needs the experience.
Gardner should play WR as that is his only chance to play in the NFL. He might as well get some experience so he can get drafted.
Gardner is not a QB, he's athlete that has the most experience playing QB, that doesn'tr mean he's good at it.
And lastly, Gardner should give back the "98" jersey. He's a good kid, but doesn't deseve to wear it anymore.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:49 PM ^
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October 25th, 2014 at 9:35 PM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 7:51 PM ^
Agree on Morris to QB. There's no point in playing Gardner. He might be better at the moment, but we gain nothing by having him in there. This season means nothing, so we might as well use it as practice for next season.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:11 PM ^
October 25th, 2014 at 9:28 PM ^
Right. These guys don't go the whole way.
QB is the most important position on the team. Our QB play has been awful against real opponents the past 2 years with a couple of exceptions. Getting Shane experience for next year should be top priority, not some fantasy of winning out the season.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:33 PM ^
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October 25th, 2014 at 7:48 PM ^
He is inept and not qualified to lead in a HC position.
You don't think about it in between a play or two you think about it during the TV timeout and then you make a decision and you stay with it
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October 25th, 2014 at 7:49 PM ^
Wonder how this went down. Did Nuss decide to put Morris in then Gardner lobbied Hoke to get back in? If so, not good.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:53 PM ^
Maybe more going on behind the scenes bw Hoke & Nuss?
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October 25th, 2014 at 10:56 PM ^
Yes, fearing a repeat of Minnesota, DB immediately called Hoke on the "hotline".
October 25th, 2014 at 8:06 PM ^
in the next series.
But then in a surprise turn of events, we got the ball back on the fumble recovery at the MSU 30. Hoke or someone realized it would be good for the team to have the 1st stringers score.
I don't think this is anything we don't already know. Hoke is not a quick thinker.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:59 PM ^
Nuss wouldn't feel the same loyalty to Gardner as Hoke does, and I'm sure he was frustrated with Gardner's inability to find open receivers. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this happened. Seemed like Nuss was trying to take a higher profile today (or maybe the cameras were just showing him more).
October 25th, 2014 at 7:49 PM ^
October 26th, 2014 at 4:32 PM ^
MSU also threw away a natty because they played the wrong QB for 14+ games with mountains of evidence he was not the guy.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:50 PM ^
Uh.... what? I mean, seriously--does this guy really think the fanbase is this stupid?
October 25th, 2014 at 7:51 PM ^
What would inserting Morris have accomplished? I am so pissed at people who throw Devin Gardner under the bus. All Morris has demonstrated in his action so far is that he is even less able to make chicken soup out of Nussmeier's chicken feathers than Gardner is.
The game would have been 35-3 or 42-3 if Morris had been put in. Keep Shane Morris out so he doesn't get "Lionized" by the current state of affairs at the Big House.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:08 PM ^
Like it or not, Morris will be competing for the starting QB spot next year and getting in-game experience this year helps him even if he struggles a lot right now. Do you think Devin played good enough today to not be benched (if we had a viable backup)? No one's throwing him under the bus, he stunk today (even given the drops). His turnovers were brutal. This season is lost, do you really care if we lose 35-11 vs. 35-3 or whatever? So yes, inserting Morris accomplishes something.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:10 PM ^
in case Gardner gets hurt at some point in the season.
But then I think they realized that it would be good for the 1st stringers morale to score.
It shows Hoke's slow thinking, but we already knew that.
October 25th, 2014 at 9:32 PM ^
Its building for the future.
Devin Gardner was terrific for a few games in 2012 and had a couple big games last year. However, it appears that the QB he was from Akron to Iowa is the real Devin Gardner and that Notre Dame/Ohio State were flukish. If you check out his stat line for those games and compare it to this year's stat line, its about the same.
Morris may be worse, but there are no goals to meet for this season. There is no bowl streak to uphold and 15 extra practices with this staff coaching them seems pretty funny. Play for next year. Give the young guys all over a little more run than they would normally get.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:53 PM ^
I'm sure this is a memory Devin will treasure
October 25th, 2014 at 7:53 PM ^
except they did bench him and Morris played horrible against Minnesota.
We have 2 bad QB's.
October 25th, 2014 at 7:53 PM ^
Minnesota didn't happen?
October 25th, 2014 at 7:55 PM ^
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October 25th, 2014 at 8:03 PM ^
I feel bad for the players. They're not playing well, but they appear to be led by men who aren't good at their jobs.
October 25th, 2014 at 8:07 PM ^
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