Dr. Chris Hutchinson not afraid of 2nd wave, and would be comfortable with Aidan playing this fall
Former Wolverine and current ER doc says he's not afraid of a 2nd wave that may or may not occur, and that he would 100% support his son, Aidan, playing this fall.
I like the sound of that.
When I think of careers conducive to early retirement, teacher is certainly not at the top of the list
You don't know teachers then, and how those retirement works (in Michigan) for those who have been in the profession for awhile. I'm not talking about new teachers.
If you're 50-plus and you've got at least 25 years in, you have a decent pension and some health care. Plus, if there are cuts in salary this fall (a real possibility, due to budget issues) your final average compensation (a key calculator) will go down (or certainly won't go up in the near/medium future), so you may decide now is the time.
Once you retire, if you're good at your job, you can work as a private tutor for AP etc or pick up other similar work to supplement your retirement.
Part of the problem is being 50+ and having 25 years in. I started when I was 23. 25 years puts me at 48. I can’t collect my pension until 55 if I left and that’s not a full pension. Only people with Major issues in this profession leaves before 30!! Not a smart move. BTW they take our highest 3 years for our retirement. So if you’ve done it right you are fine even with a cut(retirement wise).
Second you are calling for retirements with other people willing to do the job but I’m going to tell you right now in Michigan that’s simply not true. We are in the middle of a huge teaching shortage in this state. We have had many Universities in Michigan flat our stop their teaching programs for a year because of a lack of numbers. Job fairs are like ghost towns and have been for the last 4 years or so.
And so you know you can’t just go into teaching without a teaching cert and passing the necessary cert tests.
Did you mean to reply to me? I'm not "calling" for anything. I'm saying what is very likely going to happen in larger numbers than normal in the fall because very experienced teachers are going to decide, "Nope. Not worth it." And my point is it will be very disruptive, and you're right the replacements are on average going to be worse (for at least the next few years) b/c they will be brand new.
Yes I was. Teachers aren’t just going to retire like you suggested to avoid this. A great majority can’t as I’ve explained above and that’s not even factoring in a ton of other variables(insurance, own kids, need full paycheck etc) on why they need to stay. Like every other worker they will be placed at a choice and unfortunately for most the only choice is to come back and teach even if older.
I think we will be back in the fall in school with some type of different than normal format, parent surveys will determine best route. I also think it will be a huge cluster so please bare with us.
I think the thing you're not accounting for are the teachers 60y/o+ who, under normal circumstances, would probably keep on for another 2-4 years but see this as a catalyst to get out. Especially if districts offer early retirement incentives to encourage those (who are making 75k+) to leave now so they can replace them with new staff (making <45k) or not replace them at all.
It's terrifying to think of the last 10 years of budget tightening in schools (resulting from the recession fallout) just to get to now: there's not uch left to cut unless you start completely dropping staff, pay and insurance (which has already been cut the last 10 years). 10 years from now there won't be ANYONE going into teaching and the quality will drop more and more and the results with it and who's going to get blamed for it? Not parents, not admins, not govt. The teachers.
" If they've been working for 25-35 years? Sure. They'll take retirement."
Yep... approximately 15% of teachers in Michigan are over 55.
He wants things to go back to "some semblance of normal." That's different than pre-Covid normal. Some semblance of normal is restaurants opening up with 50% capacity limits. Some semblance is having sports to watch on TV. The Tiger-Phil thing on Sunday was... FUN! Imagine that.
And OP’s point is that things ARE going back to “some semblance of normal.” So it seems bizarre for Hutchinson to have blasted Whitmer, unless he means pre-COVID normal.
A large number of those are probably bluffing.
Many people are now living in fear thanks to leadership taking advantage of a crisis. The Drs. message is spot on. Good for him.
In 4 months, 1 in every three thousand Americans has died because of this virus (confirmed cases alone). That’s been with extreme responses from governments to control that number. There is an unhealthy amount of paranoia about our government (Who we elect) if you feel these actions weren’t about saving lives. You can argue about the pace of reopening, but the anti government BS is getting so fucking old in this country.
I think the argument is substantially more nuanced than you are letting on. Based on your own numbers, which I didn’t look to confirm, the chances of death for the average American would be .0003% and the average age of death from the virus is actually higher than the average age of life expectancy. It’s a finicky situation with legitimate arguments on each side.
Personally, my wife and I have been being more careful and wearing masks and trying to avoid unnecessary contact ect but we certainly aren’t stopping everything. We actually just went out to eat twice this last weekend. The business owners did the best they could do to minimize risk but at some point it’s the individuals responsibility to do what they think is in their best Interests and that’s about as good as we’re going to get.
To quote someone that’s smarter than me, “There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs.”
All Americans must be barricaded in their homes until there is exactly zero cases or until we have a protective bubble to walk around in to protect us from everything!
The Japanese were right about us, they were just off by 80 years.
What did the Germans say?
Individuals must continue to keep others safe by wearing masks and socially distancing, he stressed, but Hutchinson believes it is time to gradually and cautiously return to some semblance of normal.
Amen, Doc.
Isn't that exactly what's happening?
Basically only hair salons that are completely closed now? What else? Movie theaters and gyms also.
I went north the last two weekends.... but since i'm a non-resident, it was allowed.
my new cabin is 90% complete, which is really cool, if you're me.
I went up to the lake for the Holiday weekend. All looked normal to me. People walking and riding bikes all over the place. People keeping their distance. All the little stores required masks, as they should, and didn't allow more than 8-10 people inside. My brother and I needed to run to Home Depot and I would say about half the people were wearing masks. Different than in Metro Detroit where I see about 90% of people in masks. Obviously there were less people up because of the State Parks being closed but overall I think it should be a fairly normal summer. With some slightly different measures in place.
Umm... it's been allowed for residents for a few weeks now.
The fact that he is a doctor is classical "appeal to authority" logical fallacy. While he is almost certainly has more medical knowledge than the average person, he is not an epidemiologist, virologist, or immunologist.
I'm confident that if he wasn't a doctor, you may very well complain about his lack of credentials. Circular logic is circular.
It's not circular logic.
Are all football coaches the same?
- If we hired as a Don Brown replacement a person who was a successful QB coach but had never been a player or coach on the defensive side of the ball, would we say "He has the credentials -- he's played football, so he'll be a fine defensive coordinator"?
Medicine is no different. Doctors know a *lot* but they don't know everything, especially outside of their specialty. It's the reason specialties exist in the first place.
And he's on the front lines of the fight against this thing. He's as well equipped as anyone to identify changes in the numbers of cases and the measures they now have in place to combat future waves.
You’ll get negged for this but it’s true. It’s a very rationale point of view Hutchinson has, and I’d definitely weigh it more heavily than our presidents feedback, but I’ll still put more weight on the feedback of experts in this space than a single ER dr.
Some people on this blog are acting like if Don Brown retired tomorrow, and we had two options to replace him at Def Coordinator:
- Mike Hart
- Brett Venables
...they'd be like, "Either one! They're the same! They both played and now coach football!"
Mike Hart would do a better job coordinating the defense than the average person, but he's still significantly behind someone who specializes in that role and has performed it at a high-level for a decade.
I had a debate with a periodontist today whose views are very obviously swayed by the fact he runs a small business (and also known for spending beyond his means). He's a UM Dental School grad who is also a big MAGA guy and can't write for shit.
He doesn't care about the impact loosening has on infection rates and deaths.
Honestly, it's very difficult to lend any credence whatsoever to his UM DDS degree.
Yep, he is not a he is not an epidemiologist, virologist, or immunologist. You walked right into an appeal to authority but a different authority. So what, those fields deal with laboratory work and models far more than operating a healthy human body or running a medical operation.
That said, I have no point to make other than you claimed that a false argument was made by making a different form of the exact same false argument.
I know ill be negged for this take but the so called experts seem to be wrong a lot. My son had Salmonella food poisoning when we came back from Cabo a few years back. 5 days in the hospital and this so called best infectious disease doctor in Illinois couldn’t figure out that my son had salmonella. Once they determined it was salmonella, he was given an antibiotic and was better in 24 hours. As we were leaving the hospital this infectious disease doctor pulled me to the side to lectured me about not vaccinating my son for a disease that he wasn’t going to contract in Cabo. I told him that we go to Mexico every year,not the amazon rainforest and there is no vaccine that would prevent him from getting food poisoning from bad chicken. I have a hard time trusting the judgement of these geniuses after that incident.
Amen Dr Hutch. Wear a mask and carry on.
BTW, for those that didn’t see this:
If you take time to read the entire article carefully, you’ll be rewarded. Especially love how Gov deflects by talking about all the threats her family has received. That is new “information” to me.
Her office went from “we don’t comment on every rumor” to “he was KIDDING”. Funny how a little thing like that can ruin your VP chances! I would be PISSED if I was in her shoes.
She was never going to be the choice, Michigan is likely going to go in the right direction--BLUE.
Internet trolls notwithstanding, she is a solid choice to lead the state of Michigan and is making a decision YOU are not in any way qualified to criticize.
The threats people on both sides of this cultural war receive are real, by the way.
As voters we are actually all qualified to judge what she has done. You may agree with her moves and that’s your choice but for you to say people that disagree aren’t qualified makes you an ignorant person. Whitmer is far from perfect and actually very corrupt as you will soon find out.
Lol. What are you, 12 years old? I'm not going to Lansing but I certainly am qualified to criticize. I earned that right by being... an (a) adult, (b) tax payer, (c) American citizen? [Pick one]
Whitmer has taken things too far - for the wrong reasons. She changes her story once a week. Now it's "lock-down continues to avoid the second wave". Talk about moving the goalpost!
Toe meets leather at 1:05 PM. If you want to be there, fine. If you don’t, that’s fine too.
Look at the internet goggling pros tell a duly elected governor, who has to make the best decisions for 10 million people how to do her job.
The fact that the Sociopath-in-chief was convinced to close things down was enough to convince me there were people who knew better making these decisions.
But, yeah, I play in Mom's basement with my keyboard so I know more than them.
Certifiable -
Whitmer fucked up wrt Nursing Homes in Michigan:
How many lives did she cost?
the state Department of Health and Human Services hasn’t been able to offer concrete numbers.
And there's this for people saying Florida must be under reporting:
Unlike Cuomo and Whitmer, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis protected nursing home residents from the beginning, prohibiting COIVD-19 patients discharged from the hospital from returning to their long-term facilities. Rather, he set aside dedicated facilities to handle these patients.
The very next day (after weeks and weeks of deaths):
It took the Detroit News to point out the obvious flaw?
PS - I don't believe she "cost lives" anymore than you can hang the same on Trump. But Whitner DID just that to Trump. Karma is a bitch.
DeSantis is not counting CV deaths if the victims have drivers licenses from out of state.
That is incredibly disingenous given how many retirees and tourists are there in the winter/spring.
I prefer transparency. She won't release her criteria for the decisions she has made. Small businesses must remain closed which mitigates their ability to contribute to their favored political party. Meanwhile, entities that are known to donate to the Whitmer's party are allowed to open.
Whitmer says data, data, and data throughout her conferences but she never reveals what is the data. Not what are the numbers but what data is part of her decisions? Campaign contributiions appear to be a relevant data point as much as deaths. Do you have a better explanation?
Being an ER doc hardly makes someone anything close to an expert on a pandemic. I'd just as likely trust a data scientist who knows nothing about medicine as a random ER MD.
I don't disagree with a thing he said, but the only relevance here is his Michigan connection.
I have no doubt that a lot of what he's saying is true for his hospital -- that they now have an infrastructure in place and are better able to handle cases. I also agree with the fact that we can't stay inside forever, and now seems like a good time to dip a toe in the water (even though overall number of deaths are going up, not down). But I also remember a comment a day or two ago where someone said doctors can be wrong and a doctor chimed in and agreed that yes, doctors can be wrong, for a myriad of reasons. I hope Dr. Hutchinson is right because I selfishly want my kids to be able to go back to school in the fall. But I also want to respect the 100,000 people who have lost their lives because I think that's just common courtesy, and not manufactured piety, and some of the gloating seems disrespectful.
According to worldometers.com deaths have been on downward trek.
How do deaths go down? They either rise or stop. That's not going down. Maybe the rate of deaths, but not the actual numbers.
Wendy - I'm sure he meant the rate. I think we can all agree that if 1 more person was dying per day in the USA for the next 6 months the coast is clear, right!? If so, we're just negotiating the magic number of "acceptable" deaths against the backdrop of economic ruin and everything that comes with it.
Not an enviable job for anyone, but someone has to make the tough call.
My point, to all who responded to my post, is that 100,000 people died from Covid, and that number continues to rise, so let's not minimize that by quantifying it with things like, "People die every day from a lot of things," or "But the rates of death are going down." A close friend of my mother's just died of Covid last week and my mother, who is 80, is now worried about getting it and dying alone. I'm all for moving forward and trying to safely return to some semblance of normal. But making her death, and other deaths that are happening now, a statistic that somehow supports re-opening seems really callous to me.
Wendyk5, at first I thought you were stating the obvious that deaths were going up and somehow you thought that was significant to point out. Then I realized that you must be referring to the death rate. But no, you did mean actual deaths. Wow, I’ll alert the media.
Deaths are also going up for every other cause of death, cancer, heart disease, suicide, etc.
Yes, I meant the number of deaths per day is going down (significantly). 
That chart is heavily influenced by New York's data.
Your point? NYC is 3% of the country. The fact the other 97% is not increasing fast enough to make your statement false is telling.