Detroit News Bans Use of 'Redskins' In Football Coverage
The Detroit News will no longer use the term 'Redskins' in its football coverage, "reflecting the growing view that the term is offensive to many Americans." No word on whether the paper will discontinue referring to the state of Oklahoma as such, considering it quite literally means 'red people' in Choctaw.
[Ed-S: Reinstating this thread, but we're gonna be moderating closely. Don't be an asshole no matter how much you think someone else is being an asshole rules in effect.]
I don't think this is the first paper to do this. I'm sure there will be more.
I wonder if the TV broadcasts will use Redskins?
That term doesn't honor me. Here is part of its history. Its jacked up.
Also, why is it mostly angry white people fighting against the name change? If we do not feel honored by it and find it offensive, why continue to use it???
I'm Polish, and I would take no offense to a football team being named the Washington Polacks. In fact, I'd probably take it as a source of pride more than anything else. Maybe I'm just less sensitive than our hypersensitive post-modern society, I don't know.
Maybe you're less sensitive about these things than others, although I hypersensitive is incorrect. Regardless, the context is completely different. Obviously Polish people have faced (and maybe still do face; I don't know) bias and prejudice in this country, but it is different than the Native American experience. Beyond the fact that the above poster has just linked a newspaper offering state bounties for killing Native Americans while referring to them as "red-skins" and then claims the killing the collective population of Native Americans is worth less than $200, the US has a long history of killing (intentionally or unintentionally) and displacing Native American populations, under a variety of broken treaties, all under the collective mindset of them being "redskins" or inferior people.
Furthermore, your argument isn't a good one. Your reasoning reads: because you, personally, don't mind Washington using a biased and offensive term about your country of origin or ancestors, then Native American population should be fine with Washington using the term "Redskin." If they aren't, then they are hypersensitive. Well, your subjective feelings that Native Americans should tolerate the name because you could tolerate the hypothetical situation where the Washington renames its team to the Polacks have little to no bearing on whether the term is offensive and should be changed. If Native Americans want the name changed because of its derogatory reference to their history and culture, a valid defense to keeping the name isn't we could change it to another offensive term, with an entirely different history and context, and some people affected by the offensive term wouldn't mind.
Additionally, I'm sure some people of Polish descent or who are Polish would not like the name "Polack."
Finally, if it seems an unnecessary change to you or it seems unfair the Washington fans have to change their team name, ask why is it so essential that Washington keeps the name Redskins? Because of the franchise history of a professional football team? First off, the history and tradition of the team comes from the players, fans, and coaches. Obviously the name Redskins is a placeholder symbolizing that, but the larger placeholder is that it is the Washington professional football team, not the Redskins. Second, are we really willing to continue using an offensive term with centuries or racism and oppression behind it and that completely ignores the tradition and heritage of a people indigenous to this country just to allow a professional football team to keep its name? It would seem more important to change the name to respect the Native American population's history and remember Washington football's history as the moments its players excelled and its fans showed their loyalty.
you're spot on and perfectly covered every aspect of this tired argument.
These sort of threads and discussion are what separates Mgoblog from most other fansites and keeps me, a rival fan, visiting regularly.
Really?
It's mostly angry white people fighting for the name change.
think they should stop calling ND "The Fighting Irish"? That plays on the stereotype that Irish people get drunk and fight. Also, potatoes.
Totally. I mean come on, when are white people finally going to get some advantages in society?
I'm just messin with you. I agree that racism is uncool in any form, though I do think minorities have many reasons to be a lot more sensitive to racism than white people.
what you are referring to is racial prejudice against whites. there is no such thing as 'reverse racism'.
think of it like the following equation: racism = prejudice + institutional disadvantage. whites can only be subjected to one piece of that sum, and it is not the piece that has the most impact.
is racial prejudice a problem? yes. is it comparable to the horrors of institutionalized racism? no.
please watch this (comedic) video and acquire a clue so you won't be so misinformed in the future about what racism actually is. i promise it's worth it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw_mRaIHb-M&feature=kp
Bullshit they can only be sujected to one portion of that equation. How long since Detroit has had a white mayor? I'm not suggesting that this is inherently bad, but just because white people are priviledged in most situations, it does not mean that they cannot be unfairly disadvantaged in a smaller community of circumstance.
Racism is bad, no matter the target. Skin color simply doesn't matter. Except for those with spray on tans. It's okay to discriminate against them.
When was the last time Detroit had a white mayor? Um, today?
so hard
i think this is the first time you've said something i've ever agreed with. cheers & take my +1
There are privledged whites and privledge blacks. At least, according to my white, unprivledge world. Means and averages mean absolutely nothing. If Bill Gates walked into a McDonalds the average salary of everyone in the place would be a midleading stat, at best.
I'd say you're leading a fairly privledged life if you're worried about this topic rather than struggling with a myriad of real-life issues.
Get a hold of yourself, man.
... think it's dangerous to compare racism towards minorities by a majority to racism towards the majority by the minority. Yes, all racism is bad, but the two shouldn't be viewed as exact substitutes.
That being said... a great example of your point is the horribly xenophoic and offensive comments Wilbon made towards Klinsmann on that stupid show on ESPN. Imagine if this comment was made by a white broadcaster towards a minority coach. I'm offended that Wilbon still has a job after this rubbish (and I'm not even white).
You're going to get all up in arms about what Wilbon said? Klinsman was the one who decided to criticise all of American pro sports. If he couldn't handle the heat, then he should have kept his yapper shut. Wilbon's right, he doesn't know jack about what he is talking about.
Is a substantial percentage of Irish people extremely offended by the term, and does it have historical roots as a slur? If so, then yes, they probably should stop calling them that.
Define substantial, Mr. Slippery Slope. Because, yes, it does have historical roots as a slur. As does Yankee. What you mean to say is if a group of weak minded, hyper sensitiveindividuals, with nothing to actually contribute get toghether in a dirth of self-pity to exploit a non issue and that issue happens to fall nto the liberal media's, cherry picking narrative and thought police then look out.
Are you representing all Irish people? And, all aboriginal (the actual term you're all looking for) Americans? Huh.
"think they should stop calling ND "The Fighting Irish"?"
If it's offensive to a large number of people, yes.
I should probably start referring to them as "new potatoes"
Let me know when the proportions of Native Americans in the Redskins leadership and fanbase is the same as the proportion of Irish Americans in the Notre Dame leadership and fanbase.
It does not play on that stereotype. But I do think it would be funny if they changed their name to the Drunken Irish Fucks. And even that would be less offensive than Redskins.
Are there groups of people who argue that "Fighting Irish" is a racial slur and shouldn't be used? If there are, I'd gladly support their quest to eliminate the use of a slur against their population, too.
Until then, it's a poor comparison.
Your absolutism over such a grey area demonstrates your arrogance and that of your ilk.
Do you not see a difference between using a name that has been predominantly been used in derogatory fashion ('Redskins') and one that has been used to commemorate an individual's accomplishments ('Blackhawks')? Or, truly, in the instance of the Blackhawks, it's named after the Black Hawk division of the US Army (which is in turned named to commemorate the Native American war 'hero').
The Detroit News is still in business?
... that's why it was so easy to implement this decision.