Denard's Speed 2009/2010/2011

Submitted by Knappster on

Maybe it's just me, but does Denard seem to have lost a little speed this year?  I noticed he got caught from behind a couple times against SDSU (although not on a full-on run).  I just remember how fast he was last year against ND and he seems to have lost a fraction of that speed.

LSAClassOf2000

September 26th, 2011 at 9:18 PM ^

Did you perhaps  think it is because he is being utilized in a slightly different offense? I don't think he has literally lost speed. He's being used differently than in the past. 

marlon

September 27th, 2011 at 1:06 AM ^

I once saw Ryan Mallett not get caught on an option read.  Guess what that means?  I'll help you: it means jack shit.  That Denard didn't get caught on an option read does not mean he hasn't lost some of his speed over the past two years.  How has this point escaped you?

ijohnb

September 27th, 2011 at 11:18 AM ^

Option, ya say....... huh.  That option has looked pretty damn good so far this year.  If we are seaching for a base set, perhaps the option look is not a bad idea.  You can still throw out of it, and with the defense off balance at that.  I say shotgun now, shotgun forever, with a significant amount of option in the mix.

JimLahey

September 26th, 2011 at 9:22 PM ^

Denard does have elite top-end speed, definitely among the fastest in the nation. However, he has THE best acceleration, burst, and quickness. That is what makes him Denard.

jmblue

September 26th, 2011 at 9:25 PM ^

I was actually thinking he's a shade quicker this year than before.  He always had the incredible straight-line speed but this year he seems more able to stop on a dime and change directions.

.ghost.

September 26th, 2011 at 9:26 PM ^

His wiki page says that he has run a 4.32 in the past.

I don't know, but as I was watching Jeff Demps' TD bee-line TD run vs. Kentucky this week, I couldn't help but think that I haven't seen Denard unleash that type of speed yet this season.  Yes, I get that Denard is a QB and that his chances to uncork that kind of a run are much less likely to happen, and I do know that Demps is a hair faster, but I haven't seen a Denard run yet this year where everyone just eats his dust.  

I am sure Denard is still fast, and I think many fans would gladly trade a little speed if the trade-off were extra durability.

profitgoblue

September 26th, 2011 at 10:22 PM ^

Its interesting that he would run his freshman year (when the football learning curve is the greatest) but not after that.  Seems like a good way to stay in great shape but maybe his body just needs rest.  Not to mention time to focus on his studies.

Anyone know if Wheatley ran track all 4 years?  I know he was the B1G champion in hurdles but I'm not sure if he gave up track or kept running his whole time in college.

 

feanor

September 27th, 2011 at 12:38 AM ^

 

Denard may have the edge in quickness and changing directions, but he is a ways off of being as fast as Jeff Demps in a straight line.  Demps holds the junior 100m world record 10.01 and ran a 6.53 60m.  Denard ran a 6.83 60m in The Dual when he ran track at UM.

Demps could be argued as the fastest player to ever play college fb and is without a doubt the fastest straight line runner in college FB right now.  I don't think denard ran indoor track coming into this season, so it would be suprising if he starts running again.

snoopblue

September 26th, 2011 at 9:26 PM ^

Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't. He definitely looks a little bigger, and has added a lot more muscle on his body. That might have slowed him down a very small amount. I'll take a stronger Denard that can take some hits that is still incredibly fast any day.

M Wolve

September 26th, 2011 at 9:26 PM ^

Denard has been getting tackled from behind as you mentioned, but these tackles have been from a desperate, lunging swipe at his ankles that just so happen to connect.  No, I don't think he has lost any speed.  Some people have already pointed out that he didn't get touched on the 53 yarder, but I think that point is just as stong as saying he is continuously being caught from beind- Vince would have scored on that run untouched.  He wouldn't have gotten to the endzone nearly as fast, but saying that simply because he scored without having someone touch him doesn't hold weight in the argument that he hasn't lost speed.  Nonetheless, I agree with raptor that it deals more with proper pursuit angles than a change in Denard's speed.

Blue in Seattle

September 27th, 2011 at 11:04 AM ^

Everyone is judging this subjectively from watching TV, and worse, the rewatching/memory of the ND TD in 2010.  That ND TD was perfectly blocked, and included the incredible block of Omameh on Teo that ended up taking out the safety that had a great angle on Denard until he was bludgeoned by a LB.

Yes Denard is getting caught, but it's because teams are no longer surprised.  Except for the first QB option.  If you noticed the QB option play was called again, and Denard almost kept the ball.  Actually he pump faked the option pitch, and then pitched it, and my first throught was "crap here comes a fumble", but the RB (I think it was Vincent, but would have to watch the game again to be sure) caught it and had a great run up the sideline because the optioned defender had finally committed to Denard.  SDSU had that play pretty well defended on just the second time seeing it.  And they were focusing on Denard, and somehow Denard was able to add a QB oh noes to it.

Ultimately it doesn't matter if Denard is incrementally slower.  Go check out Brian's links to the article talking about SDSU Head Coach not letting his players talk to the press because they were so devastated from having been Denarded!

Denard isn't slower, he's just not a surprise.  But even though people prepare for him, they realize, they can't prepare for him.

Expect this hype and discussion to continue through every Big Ten team that has a dual threat QB.  It's the meme of the season.

But Seriously,

 

AmaizeingBlue

September 26th, 2011 at 9:28 PM ^

No need to be dicks about it guys.  I have noticed him getting tackled from behind too, but most of them have been desperation, diving shoelace tackles (no pun intended).  I think it's more luck than anything.

Edit: Oops, beaten by Mwolve. I think I've lost some of my speed.

MilkSteak

September 26th, 2011 at 9:26 PM ^

IF he has lost any speed, it's because of the good weight he has put on this offseason. He has shown that he still has great top end speed this year, but I think we can all agree that if he has sacrificed a step or two and is still the fastest guy out on the field AND that weight means he's not as injury prone as last year, it's for the best. 

robmorren2

September 26th, 2011 at 9:27 PM ^

The only thing I've noticed is his tendency to run out of bounds or safely dive to avoid hits (which I have no problem with). Sure he could possibly break a tackle a bust one, but he could also get tackled and bust our season. Denard is fine ... running-wise. lol

FreddieMercuryHayes

September 26th, 2011 at 9:30 PM ^

Everytime he was caught from behind was when he had another defender up ahead of him.  I'm assuming this means he has to slow down a bit to change directions and such.  But that straight run on the option was explosive and as fast as ever.

panthera leo fututio

September 27th, 2011 at 11:37 AM ^

 Why would a football player be better if they are slower?

There are many potential causes for improvement, some directly related to a marginal decrease in speed and some incidental to it.

Most relevant here: Denard clearly made a decision in the offseason to add a little weight.  I have no doubt that this improves his ability as a runner; he's better able to grind out tough yards when needed, and his body is better able to absorb the impacts he's inevitably going to take.  But while I think an added 10 pounds makes him an overall more effective and valuable player, it's not unreasonable to think that it may have cost him a very (very) small amount of speed.  I'll take the tradeoff.

In other public service announcement type matters, Big Blue is either Kentucky or that IBM computer.