Bud Elliot’s take on the game fair or foul?
I really like the Cover 3 Podcast but, Bud Elliot during their instant reaction podcast said that he doesn’t think the game would play out the same if it was played again. After being challenged on it he walked it back a little bit and said “it just wouldn’t be the same.” I’ve given it a couple days and the more I think about it the more I don’t like his take.
Knowles challenged JJ to beat him in the air, and with some excellent effort and phenomenal route running JJ beat him through the air x3. Then, Knowles said ok…but but can you drive the field? So Michigan drove the field. After that the game was over. I can’t comment on if tOSU gave up after that or if Michigan’s O-line just dominated (probably both) but the Donovan runs just look like what Michigan did last year except Donovan is faster than Haskins. I’d say it looked real repeatable. I wondered if anyone else agreed?
November 29th, 2022 at 8:23 PM ^
Who is bud eliot and why do we care what he thinks?
November 29th, 2022 at 8:31 PM ^
National pundit for CBS. Big on sports gambling. Leans heavy on talent and analytics, gets close about 75% of the time.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:36 PM ^
With Dennis Dodd, Jerry Palm, and this guy its clear CBS has a shit collection of football writers.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:38 PM ^
I agree On cbs
November 29th, 2022 at 9:08 PM ^
I know I'm an odd ball but the CBS college football music they play going to break insights visceral reaction of hatred and annoyance in me, I first thought when I heard they would be covering Big Ten games was, shit now I'm going to hear that damn music over and over.
November 30th, 2022 at 2:59 AM ^
CBS used to do the Big Ten broadcasts and that is the same music they played then. It actually reminds me of some old dramatic Big Ten games. I like it.
November 29th, 2022 at 9:17 PM ^
Those guys are hacks, Bud actually has a very good record of predictions.
His analysis of Michigan/OSU was flat out bad though. Chalked the big plays up to flukiness and luck -- not as a function of OSU's scheme and Michigan exploiting it -- and mentioned YPP outside of those plays. Ok...that's kinda like saying "no one talks about all the times the plane *didn't* crash"
Also *of course* most games, if replayed, would get a different result one way or another. Seems to be so obsessed with recruiting and power ratings that actual results are less important than hypothetical point spreads in hypothetical rematches
November 29th, 2022 at 9:21 PM ^
I remember a Penn State team beating a Michigan team with 2 plays once. All praise for them though if I remember correctly.
November 30th, 2022 at 6:04 AM ^
Didn’t Norte Dame beat Michigan once by scoring only on special teams? Didn’t they have a kid named Rocket Ishmael? Heck, I remember the Tigers winning a game when the other sides pitcher pitched a no-hitter. Far as I know those results are still in the record books with no asterisks.
November 30th, 2022 at 6:08 AM ^
Double post
November 30th, 2022 at 9:12 AM ^
I still prefer CBS over anything from ESPN.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:59 PM ^
Is there any game that WOULD play out the same? This is dumber than an old hat.
November 29th, 2022 at 9:21 PM ^
MLB has teams play each other 3 times at one home park and the 3 times the next week at the other park. Then do it again next month. Sometimes the starting pitching match ups are the same. Even with the large number of games so close together, no two games are the same.
November 29th, 2022 at 10:24 PM ^
He must have lost a bundle. Sounds a bit butt hurt to me
November 29th, 2022 at 9:09 PM ^
Isn't he a nascar driver??
November 30th, 2022 at 7:04 AM ^
And now, the rest of the story…
November 30th, 2022 at 9:21 PM ^
Bud Elliot has the voice and diction of a small honey wagon business owner
November 29th, 2022 at 8:24 PM ^
45-23
November 29th, 2022 at 8:25 PM ^
Don't care. Sounds like loser excuses.
They scored 3 points in the second half. Stroud shit his pants again.
They don't have that dawg in them.
Load the box, we'll beat them with the pass - we still have crossing routes, mesh routes and a bunch of TE trickery we never even ran.
Don't load the box, and a healthy Corum and DE run for 400 yards.
OSU is soft, soft, soft on defense.
Give them a healthy JSN and Marvin Harrison JR....then we might be in a shoot out. But with just 1 elite receiver, it's curtains. Can't run the ball with their all tackle offensive line.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:32 PM ^
I don’t know. They had 3 last year and still got the L.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:40 PM ^
JSN healthy was the best of the 3 last year, imo. Was probably the Belitnikoff favorite coming into this year...
and Marvin Harrison JR. is even better, a superstar....like future Megatron or Larry Fitzgerald good. I think he's a generational talent tbh.
It's a joy to watch OSU waste so much talent.
November 29th, 2022 at 9:00 PM ^
Jsn is not better than Wilson or olave. He had the luxury of being the 3rd guy behind 2 NFL first rounders. Harrison is the real deal tho
November 29th, 2022 at 9:03 PM ^
Did you watch the Rose Bowl? JSN went off when Wilson and Olave left.
November 29th, 2022 at 10:00 PM ^
JSN is just as good if not better than those other two but Utah was starting their 3rd string running back at corner.
November 29th, 2022 at 9:18 PM ^
JSN looked the best to me. Way more agile and explosive.
November 29th, 2022 at 9:30 PM ^
JSN is absolutely better than those two.
Says who? Olave & Wilson. In real-time, on demand. All three are sitting together and the interviewer asks who is the best out of them. Instantly and without a moment of hesitation they both point to JSN.
He and MHJr when healthy are the two best WRs in America.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:25 PM ^
Stopped listening to him a long time ago. He’s one of those guys that picks certain stats to drill home over and over again. Not a fan of his analytics at all. He probably believes this because of his obsession with the blue chip ratio. While a good foundation, you still have to be able to coach good Xs and Os too.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:28 PM ^
That’s a good point. When Fornelli challenged him about it. Bud backed off real quick. He seemed shocked that the talent got beat like that.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:25 PM ^
Is this the same Bud Elliott who used to write for the FSU SBNation site (and got otherwordly cranky when UM fans pointed out that losing two All Americans in that bowl game may have hurt UM's chances of winning) and bases 95% of his football analysis on recruiting rankings?
Yeah, color me unsurprised his analysis is slipshod. Probably not worth a post about it, though.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:28 PM ^
The same.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:27 PM ^
I think Bud Elliot is a clueless moron.
(I have no idea who Bud Elliot is.)
November 29th, 2022 at 8:30 PM ^
nobody does. but he said something about michigan, apparently, so he gets a board post.
sorry, them’s the rules.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:33 PM ^
I thought the Cover 3 Podcast was more popular than it is apparently. Apologies.
November 29th, 2022 at 9:14 PM ^
NASCAR driver? I have no idea why we should care….
November 29th, 2022 at 8:29 PM ^
I don't find him on tsio's roster. How exactly would anything he does or say have an impact?
November 29th, 2022 at 8:29 PM ^
If played again, we may hang 100 on them.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:31 PM ^
I think UM would be able to move the ball on OSU
I think a more likely shift would be OSU having a more coherent offensive gameplan; most notably some QB draws and keepers etc.
While I don't want to see the rematch it WOULD be an epic national title game.
But right now.............I'm just focused on Purdue.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:31 PM ^
Some people just can’t get it into their thick skulls that OSU is a talented but poorly coached soft mentally weak football team. Obsessed with recruiting rankings. OSU has a bunch of recruits. Michigan has football players.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:32 PM ^
they have a bunch of talented football players. We have a team.
November 29th, 2022 at 9:41 PM ^
Neck Sharpies really supports this take. I know the game was over by the second DE run, but goodness number 12 is BAD!
November 29th, 2022 at 8:33 PM ^
I, too, am an avid listener of Cover 3 and had the same eye roll when hearing this comment. Lazy takes like "well, OSU would just play zone" drive me nuts. All season long Michigan punished defenses that dropped two safeties by running it down their throats. If OSU didn't have the box stacked, Michigan would just do what they did last season and run all day long. So, no, it would not be the same. It would just be a repeat of what we saw last season.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:37 PM ^
Finally, I thought that podcast was more popular than this. And that was Michigan’s long drive. They switched coverage and challenged Michigan to drive and sustain and they did. I just thought it was a bad take and was surprised when Fornelli was like “did you watch the game?”
November 29th, 2022 at 9:06 PM ^
I listened and was surprised/disappointed in his analysis as well, and said as much on Twitter. He got really defensive about a couple comments and said Michigan played well. But he sure made the win sound fluky, as if the big plays were mostly random. He retweeted Ed Feng who said the same
The thing is *of course* if two teams play again it doesn't go exactly the same way. That's the problem with guys who get too immersed in their power ratings -- *actual* rankings and championships aren't supposed to be about whom he would pick to win a hypothetical rematch (rightly or wrongly), it's about what actually happened. Explaining it away as luck because it doesn't fit his recruiting-based power ratings or hypothetical point spread is pretty empty when we just watched an actual game where his preferred team got their ass kicked
November 29th, 2022 at 9:12 PM ^
That’s what irked me about it. The only “luck” was CJ spinning out of that tackle on the first TD. Everything else was scheme and execution.
November 30th, 2022 at 12:34 AM ^
Oh man, Ed Fang. There’s a guy I don’t miss from the round table.
November 30th, 2022 at 10:46 AM ^
Ed can only repeat his numbers. He can't talk scheme or gamescript at all.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:33 PM ^
Faithful listener of the Cover 3 pod here also. I DMd him Saturday night and asked basically since UM has beaten OSU back 2 back will UM be looked at as the favorite going forward in preseason and etc (which I’m glad Tom brought up on the pod). He said he thought so but asked if UM would consistently show it more and that playing close games will eventually bite UM in the ass.
Bud on the pod said that Vegas has OSU favored by I think it was 3.5-4 points if played again on a neutral field. I don’t believe he said he would pick OSU but that UM probably wouldn’t have as many explosive plays. Tom pushed back on basically everything he said and said that’s fair.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:38 PM ^
He gave credit after the win last year but pretty soon after it turned into it was because of the weather yada yada
November 29th, 2022 at 8:41 PM ^
But that’s the thing, the “close” games are only in the first half. Even Illinois got locked down in the second half and were really the only close game. Maryland scored late to make it one score but Michigan went into survive and advance mode in that one.
November 29th, 2022 at 8:58 PM ^
Eh anytime an elite teams fan base thinks he or Tom are disrespecting or not giving credit to a team they always say we’re not saying their not good but is it good enough to win a title. But he wasn’t as enthusiastic as I thought he’d be like all of em were when Tennessee beat Bama.