Big10’s 21 day period vs 10-14 days for other conferences

Submitted by BoFan on September 22nd, 2020 at 6:08 PM

As has been noted in Brian’s and other’s discussion threads the Big10 has a 21 day period during which players who test positive can’t play vs 14 or 10 days for other conferences. What I have not seen discussed is that these different quarantine periods have very different objectives and dramatically different consequences.  

As we know, the 10 or 14 day quarantines in the Big12, SEC, and ACC are for minimizing the risk of spread. If they are not testing everyday and getting same day results they also have to quarantine close contacts from the previous 5-10 days. The overall objective is to reduce the risk of spread once someone has the virus.  Once they are no longer contagious they can play.  

With daily testing and instant results in the Big10 you are theoretically catching the viral load at a level before it’s contagious and there is little or no need for contract tracing and no need for quarantining close contacts.  In that case a 14 day quarantine for only those testing positive would also be sufficient for minimizing spread.  

The 21 days, though, was created by the Big10 to monitor the patient long enough to screen for myocarditis risk.  If the rigorous testing protocol for myocarditis is negative after 21 days they can return to play. If positive they are not returning.  21 days is solely for player health even though it means a lot of positive cases could turn into three weeks of games being cancelled.  

This difference in approaches seems quite damning to the other conferences. The SEC for example has a very abnormal late start where teams could pursue heard immunity for competitive advantage, but doing so makes player health an after thought.  Even if teams like LSU are not ”actively” pursuing heard immunity, they are still putting players back into game and practice situations before the waiting period needed to screen for myocarditis.  

These conferences could institute a 21 waiting period for the benefit of the players but this would likely mean their 30% game cancellation rate would increase to over 50%.  They wouldn't have a season.  

Also, the lack of testing and protocol transparency in those conferences combined with the waivers they had players sign makes it easy to cut corners for competitive advantage.  The bottom line is if you add up all their current actions and policies, these conferences are allowing coaches and schools to pursue winning at all cost with no accountability to or liability from players.  How is ignoring these risks to players with no requirement for public transparency any different from ignoring the abuses of a dr or asst coach.  

It’s not clear if anything can be done since the NCAA has decided to step aside and not be accountable.  I am posting this here because there needs to be an increase in awareness of this issue.  

It will be issue that needs to be addressed by the college football playoff committee and by any bowl games if played.  The only other opportunity to hold these conferences accountable would be for player’s parents to sue. 

Bill Brasky

September 22nd, 2020 at 11:00 PM ^

Is anyone talking about false positives? Even though they were previously thought to be low, there are newer studies showing they are higher in these nonFDA-regulated tests, especially the rapid ones. Will they retest often and have a protocol to call something a false positive? Similar to what Matt Stafford went through? Or if positive, do we lose a player for 21 days? 

 

My scientific background, this is more about liability and kids health than about spread. And maybe there is some hidden agenda. But if you are a physician (or almost any employee anywhere) and you test positive, you only stay out of work for 10 days. And, no one is testing you for myocarditis. CDC recommendations aren’t what the big ten is doing. The nfl isn’t even doing this. 

 

I think there are too many different opinions, and very little known. And these dates cover the big ten legally or ethically but seem arbitrary.

MaizeBlueA2

September 22nd, 2020 at 11:21 PM ^

I didn't read all of this, but the reason for the 21 days for the B1G is because of all of the heart testing that takes place AFTER you're out of isolation. 

Here's something you all may not know. If you show signs of myocarditis...you may be forced to sit for THREE MONTHS.

The B1G isn't playing around like these other leagues.

All that shit people were giving the league, I said from Day 1, the medical side was going to be unlike anyone else in the country.

Someone said you can't be the Ivy League and the SEC...well, that's exactly what the B1G is trying to accomplish. 

Mitch Cumstein

September 23rd, 2020 at 9:20 AM ^

I think the rapid testing impact on minimizing the need for contract tracing precautions will overcome the 21 vs 10-14 day exclusion in terms of total cumulative player missed days.  Just a hunch. So on average B1G players will miss less time.

Mongo

September 23rd, 2020 at 10:39 AM ^

Until a player in the SEC/ACC/Big12 health is seriously damaged from their aggressive Covid protocol, it will not change. They are living on the edge because that may be needed to complete their seasons.  Let's further contrast to the B1G.

While the B1G is scheduled to return to play this fall, the Covid protocols are materially tougher and the possibility of shutdown are thus much higher.  He are the big differences:

  • daily testing (other leagues are 3x per week)
  • positive tested players must sit out for 21 days and then pass the heart stress tests
  • >5% positive tests on a team - about 7 players/coaches - is a "red" condition and the whole team must pause for one week and be tested clean before resumption
  • There are no built-in dates for postponements ... so then what ?

The B1G starts daily testing on Sept 30 ... and thereafter before every practice and game.  This is going to be very challenging for certain schools to field a team.  Maybe OSU can create a bubble, but will other schools do that to the same degree and keep their players off campus?  Many football programs have had issues ... Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, MSU ... to name a few.  

 

Farmhouse Funk

September 23rd, 2020 at 11:24 AM ^

Shouldn't the time a player needs to be out be decided when he tests negative say 2 days in a row? I understand setting minimum amount of days for contact tracing but someone who is positive? 

The fact the NCAA just said 'aw just do whatever you want' is just crazy, they only had what 6 months to plan for this and put standards for all, but they just decided to run and hide in the corner and hope everything just works out ok.