Are Excitement Levels About Michigan Football Down For 2021?
Even though we are enjoying Michigan's current basketball season, I have to ask everyone how excited they are about football and the changes that have taken place? Although it has been great to see our recruiting take an uptick so far, I am not buying into any of the hype of having great players and youthful coaches. I want results on the field. It seems that many on here are also not really excited and have grown tired of the spring and summer hype machine. Is this true across the fanbase right now?
I've never said that they had equivalent success. You are misreading what I have said and then using this incorrect perception to attack it. Not valuable contributions at all.
Florida was ranked #2 on KenPom behind Louisville. We destroyed them. The football team hasn't put up a performance like that since the Carr era. It's hilarious you wanna act like the football team has accomplished as much as the basketball team. We've won 2 Big Ten regular season titles (about to win a 3rd) and 2 Big Ten tournament titles since football last won the conference. We've been to 2 Final Fours in basketball in the past decade, the football team has been to 0. Harbaugh has changed nothing about the underachieving nature of the football team. Keep holding the khakis.
I can't have a discussion with you because you're hyperbolic and nonsensical. I'm not saying that the football team has been as successful as the basketball team. I'm saying that the football team has been more successful than is given credit for, the universally beloved basketball team hasn't been as successful as it is given credit for, and the comparison is apples to oranges. You're arguing against a strawman which you've created in your head.
In what way has the football team been more successful than its being given credit for? What exactly has the football program achieved? Big Ten East co-champs in 2018 and a Citrus Bowl victory in 2015? Amazing, how lucky we are.
"Football team more successful than given credit for."
OSU- Since 2000: OSU 17 wins - Michigan 3
MSU- Since 2000: M 11 wins - MSU 10 (basically neutral)
Last Big Ten championship- 2004
"Basketball team hasn't been as successful."
Beilein won multiple Big Ten titles, won multiple big ten championships, and went to two national title games in a decade.
You are right, it is like comparing apples to oranges. Michigan football basically has to win 2-3 games outside of all the garbage in the conference to win a conference; yet, they still can't do it.
Stop. This is a losing battle you are fighting. Deep down, I think you know it too.
This is like listening to a climate denier think he's making some genius gotcha points. Does Michigan football have the benefit of end of the year tournaments at neutral sites to salvage their season? No, they get one shot at OSU, a top 3 program.
The basketball team has been successful, and I've enjoyed watching them. But, nothing you can say will negate what I said above that they haven't been very good in the regular season (besides this year) in almost 10 years. Not since before Harbaugh was here. Deep down you know I'm right. Go blue tonight :)
You're also not factoring in early NBA draft entries that the basketball team has had many times in the past decade. Michigan has often dealt with inexperienced teams in basketball which leads to poorer regular season results. Meanwhile they had a lot of NFL talent and experience in 2018 and 2019 and did nothing with it. They have that this year in basketball and are dominating the best Big Ten conference possibly ever. There's no comparison between the two programs, sorry.
Since this conversation is getting a little boring and I actually kinda think you are trolling a bit, I'll just leave it here. Let me know when Michigan football wins something. I'm guessing it will be awhile.
I'll keep watching Michigan basketball defy expectations, win championships, and make deep runs in things that actually matter.
Keep on defending JH- I know he's the golden child that flew back to Ann Arbor on wings of gold. It's been hard for a lot of people to come to terms that he's just not going to get it done here. I accepted it a couple seasons ago- I think you will too after this year.
No, you're not right and the negs you're getting are well deserved.
The football team gets a chance at redeeming their OSU ass beating every year (which in itself is unacceptable) with a bowl game and they shit down their leg every year. And no, don't tell me "oh they can't get up for it after losing to OSU like that" when they DID get up for it after the 2015 ass beating to OSU and beat the shit out of Florida.
No, you're not right and the negs you're getting are well deserved.
The football team gets a chance at redeeming their OSU ass beating every year (which in itself is unacceptable) with a bowl game and they shit down their leg every year. And no, don't tell me "oh they can't get up for it after losing to OSU like that" when they DID get up for it after the 2015 ass beating to OSU and beat the shit out of Florida.
They do? When have they talked other than on the court?
Other than probably a FEW instances, when did Beilein's guys run their mouths? When have the guys under JH talked crap this or last season?
Go look at Isaiah Livers or Hunter Dickinson's Twitters. You don't think publicly resposting memes of them beating the shit out of other teams is talking shit? Laughable. The football team is just under a microscope, and the basketball team held in a higher regard. That's all.
You don't think the bench doing their antics while we're blowing out teams is disrespectful? Hunter Dickinson mean mugging the Maryland coach and bench every time he scored?
Your second paragraph- no one cares. That's in-game stuff.
Your first paragraph- it's twitter/social media- I expect basically everyone to be dumb on there.
The reason the football program gets blasted is because ALL THEY DO IS TALK. Winovich had a massive smile on his face when he said ON AIR, "This is our revenge tour." Litttle bro comment which spurned MSU to their best success in program history. Planting stakes in grounds when our team sucks.
You can talk if you win stuff. They don't win anything.
All you're saying is that you're unhappy with the football team. That's it. It's like when someone you don't like is a loud chewer. You don't hate the football team for "talking," just like people don't hate their stepdad for chewing loudly. The basketball team talks plenty. You're upset with the football team, and it annoys you that they aren't deferential. Nothing more, nothing less.
I think sharing memes that often support you and sometimes bash something else is less talking shit and more just what 20 year olds do in 2021.
And no, I don't feel that the bench celebrating their teammates success is disrespectful. Not even in the slightest.
Yeah, spot on.
Making memes supporting you? Or making memes of you beating the shit out of your opponent and laughing about it?
"Celebrating teammates' success?" Do you have to get on the ground and pound the floor like a baby to do that? You don't think people would be mad if we were getting blown out by MSU basketball and they started doing that?
Get out of here, lmao
Benches have been doing this for decades. Its celebrated and shown on SportsCenter constantly. Monmouth became a national hit not because of the teams play but because people enjoyed their bench antics and celebrations. The crusty old announcers celebrate it every single game. Not a single opposing player or coach has mentioned the bench as a negative. For our team or any other team Ive ever heard about. Once again, these are college kids. They enjoy displaying emotion and doing silly things like rolling around. Its fun. You seem to be the sole voice of outrageous over this.
For someone named Ron Burgundy you sure are a stick in the mud. And instead of getting out of here Im just going to continue to point out how ridiculously off base and wrong you are. That is more fun for me.
I'm not outraged. Who said I was angry that the basketball team was cocky? I was just merely pointing out that they are in fact cocky and talk plenty.
For someone who likes to argue on the internet, you have the reading comprehension of a child :)
quick edit: I think it's hilarious you said you were gonna stick around and point out offbase I was, until i made it clear that you were incapable of actually reading what I had said and were actually responding to a strawman, and now there's no response. I got a hearty laugh out of this. Very embarrassing for you. Thanks for the chuckle
You're funny. Not like haha funny. Like sad funny. Evidently no one seems to comprehend what you're trying to say. I, however, am definitely embarrassed. For you. But hey good on you for choosing this hill to make your stand on. Good luck with that pal, you seem like a fun person.
Getting mad and insulting someone because you're insecure about your inability to read is bad when a child does it. It's just really sad when an adult does it.
I read this whole thing and no one has reading comprehension issues. You both seem to comprehend what the other is stating just fine, but your opinions aren’t in agreement.
yawn, ok please tell me where i was, in any way, outraged by the basketball players being "talkers"? You know, like he said I was? I 100% didn't because I think their antics are hilarious and what makes athletics fun.
Fail on him, and fail by you. Sad.
You are clearly the one bothered by this. You are over here raging. I can see the steam rising from your posts. But hey keep claiming it is all me you while you literally insult me in the same sentence. Really making strong points.
You need to lighten up Francis.
I'm not bothered at all. I'm actually very amused. You started insulting me over something I never said and you totally made up. I then pointed it out and you doubled down and just kept attacking because I hurt your ego by making you notice that you didn't even read what I said before rattling off your schtick. You're the epitome of an internet troll, and I've found the whole thing hilarious.
When does the basketball team talk? Gonna need some examples because I cant think of any while I could name a handful from the football team just off the top of my head.
No one here expects to win the conference every year in football. I don't think it's unreasonable for us to win it once every 5-6 years.
Also you could make the argument it's harder to win the Big Ten in basketball than football as there are more evenly matched (but also very good nationally) programs.
And while the basketball team hasn't won the Big Ten regular season since 2013-2014 they still are always good for playing their best at the end of the season when it matters most which the football team doesn't...they wilt come November then blow the bowl game.
Dude, I'm not sure if you are referring to on the field trash-talk, which probably about 80% of people engage in, or off the field talk, which is what the OP is mentioning. If you do not think there is a huge difference in the latter from the basketball program to the football program I would ask you to find me a comparable on these three fronts:
Media mouthpiece talk: Summer of 2020 (paraphrased) "Joe Milton looks like Cam Newton!!!"
Coach: Gattis on the OSU game in 2019 and playing OSU in 2020, "Corona may limit us to work from home...... but don’t think we’re sleeping! 2019 is over but the lessons learned live on! 2020 we won’t be so kind to beat ourselves ... The BluePrint is out! We have only one thing on our mind"
Player: Chase Winvoich, after OSU kicked Michigan's dick in after the 2018 game, "I would say to any recruit or any potential guy who sees what happened in the Ohio State game and is persuaded against coming to Michigan because of that, I would say that alone is a mirage. And you should not be fooled. What we've built here and what we'll continue to build is a powerhouse. That's the Michigan I'm leaving. A Michigan that's competitive in its trajectory. The sky's the limit."
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Those are so cringe worthy it is beyond embarrassing. And it's constant. Sorry man, I have no recollection of basketball players/coaches/media mouthpieces popping off like the football team does. If you do, please share. I'd be happy to eat my words.
Unlce leo, i couldnt have said it better
Just "meh" about it all now.
I would say that my enthusiasm is quite low on this team. Frankly, 2020 season was so miserable and I just can't see how much Michigan can improve to the point of competing for an Indy Trip and CFP spot. Sure, Michigan won't go 3-9/4-8. I don't want Michigan to go 7-5/8-4, I want them to be a contender.
Frankly, this board makes me irritated to follow the football team, with the same preseason hype and let down from 2019 onward, and then being gaslighted about how good Michigan has been under Harbaugh, saying "akshully if u look at s&p rankings and divide by 11, multiply by the 4* recruits we hav, we are a top 8 program", while completing ignoring the underperformance at quarterback, in bowl games, and against OSU.
I'll root for Michigan, I won't act like this team is going to be a contender next year, or frankly, if harbaugh should be our head coach.
If you are irritated by the board completely ignoring underperformance in bowl games, you’ll be happy to hear that after our three best players sat out the peach bowl, it was determined that bowl games don’t matter and neither does any game that doesn’t directly affect our chances at getting to the B10 championship game or college playoffs. So for as annoying as it has been to hear people trying to stay positive about the team they like rooting for, it is equally annoying the lengths to which people go to be negative about the team
The lack of performance in bowl games is just another data point of the underperformance of this administration. What are the excuses for the 19-3 blown lead against South Carolina, or the loss to an inferior Florida State team in the orange bowl?
You're proving my point, I'm sorry that I do not think Cade McNamara will win the Heisman, or that going 7-5/8-4 is a reasonable expectation for this staff.
We are not NC State.
“Akshully, bowl games do count against Harbaugh even though most people on the board don’t care when all the best players sit them out because they are just doing what’s best for them.”
You just used the thing that irritates you in your response, which proves my point that the people who go out of their way to be negative are just as bad as the people who blow sunshine up your ass. One could also point to you already being upset with a 7-5/8-4 season that hasn’t happened next year. Unless you meant all those 7-5/8-4 seasons in the past that are unacceptable, which look to be the outlier not the norm for Harbaugh. But yes, all those people being positive and looking forward to football season are just the worst
Sry I apologize Michigan will go 9-4. Yay
I am hopefully and somewhat optimistic but not giddy. I expect to see a good start in September than build on that in October and November. If the reverse happens, then we will see a rerun of 2014.
We have a lot of positives with the additions of Mike Hart and Ron Belomy to the coaching staff, new look on defense and an incoming freshman class that should see some starters.
I will always have hope.
That being said, I think that the coaching staff has earned themselves some serious skepticism. This past season was a complete shit show, not just in terms of results, but in the apparent preparation and buy-in from the entire football organization. It's a BAD look to lobby for a football season and then bumblefuck your way through the games.
I honestly don't mind losing to better teams (obviously I'd prefer to win...). Upsets shouldn't be the expectation. But it's getting increasingly clear that if Plan A doesn't work, there hasn't been a Plan B. In some cases there hasn't been a Plan A (somebody will have to explain to me what the game plan was for MSU because I didn't see one). I don't see the coaches putting players in a position for success.
Harbaugh has proven himself to be CAPABLE of great coaching. He's a horrific spot and a John O'Korn away from having two victories over OSU. But that's increasingly in the rearview mirror and it's not clear why.
Like I said, skepticism, but also hope.
Perfectly well stated. It’s like you are in my brain reading my thoughts.
When the only way the needle can move is up, sure, I guess I'm excited for not having to witness a steaming turd of a football product any more. Even mediocrity will be welcome. Perhaps excited isn't the right word. Insert whatever the word is for how you feel when you're running to the shower to wash off the poop you accidentally fell into.
"Shut up CLord! Recruits read this site!"
Welp to recruits I'd say Michigan is a top 5 program in terms of resources, tradition, uniforms, stadium, money, fanbase and prestige. Thus the program doesn't even need genius level staff, but just some fundamental competence in order to succeed. In all likelihood, after so many tries, Harbaugh may fall back into some competence this year, so the chances are high you're joining a winning team.
How much can it be down when it was already at the very bottom of the BPONE Zone?
It's hard to be super excited given the state of the program and of the world right now but once August rolls around football will be BACK. There will be WOOOOOOOs.
It's basketball season. I don't even want to think about football until this ride is over.
Very excited, I love Michigan football
It's true for me. I think there's a ~5% chance this new staff will enter The Game with the division on the line. It seems like these hires are mostly out of desperation since established coaches aren't going to come to Ann Arbor to work for Harbaugh, who appears to be a lame duck after signing his new contract.
I hope it works out but doubt it will. I'm just going to enjoy the basketball team for the time being.
We’re tired of the hype only to be disappointed. No more getting fooled and excited - it’s time to put up or shut up. Would love to see the team not share any info or accolades and have all interview answers be something along the lines of “we’re working hard to have better results and show it on the field - nothin else matters.”
Yep. Sadly, I think our opinion is in the minority of the fan base.
There are a lot of fans who continue to make excuses and cover up for JH's short comings.
There are way too many resources in Ann Arbor and this program to fall short year over year, the way this program has. This is the season. If he can't get over the hump, beat OSU, and/or win the Big Ten, it's time to move on.
Lol ok. Hate to tell you, they're not going to do either of those things and everyone, including Warde Manuel, knows it.
Oh I agree- but those are two different things.
What I want (and some fans) vs what will actually happen are massive differences. Fully get it. I know the only way Harbaugh leaves is if he goes- and I COULD see that happening if the team is absolutely piss poor again this year and the two parties agree to part.
This is the season. If he can't get over the hump, beat OSU, and/or win the Big Ten, it's time to move on.
Are you serious? Why in the hell would you think THIS is the year Michigan gets over the hump? Looking at the team, I'm assuming the 2021 team will be one of the worst Michigan teams Harbaugh has coached... even excluding 2020.
And this is... whose fault exactly?
Do you know exactly how long this narrative has gone on? This whole, "Just wait until all our guys are seniors, we have home games against OSU, etc..."
We get it man. Everyone knows the point you are making. And continue to make. Then continue to make some more. But like it or not Harbaugh isnt going anywhere. Even when we don't beat OSU or have a great season in 21 he still isn't going anywhere. I get you don't agree with this. Once again we all get that you dont. A lot of us don't either. But it is how it is. Beating that dead horse over and over with every post is doing nothing but frustrating yourself more.
It's a message board. I can say whatever I want, as many times as I want.
I'm not frustrated one iota. I'm quite happy in life. Enjoying a great basketball season.
Sorry!
" This is the season. If he can't get over the hump, beat OSU, and/or win the Big Ten, it's time to move on. "
Why would you ever say that? What makes you think that *this* season is the season? Sorry, it's just an exceedingly dumb thing to say given the unknowns.