2017 Freshmen Burned Redshirt rollcall
I would like to get a roll call of the redshirts that were burned yesterday. Seems lower than I expected. Less Wtf burned redshirts so far. Here is what I have : (updated per link from Farnn - thanks)
1. Donovan Peoples-Jones
2. Tarik Black
3. Ambry Thomas
4. Aubrey Solomon
5. J'Marick Woods
6. Ben Mason
7. Benjamin St. Juste
8. Kwity Paye
9. Andrew Stueber
A lot of true freshmen were dressed and on the sideline. I assume we will see a few more this Saturday versus Cincinnati
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:42 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 11:16 AM ^
Good point, Seth. I forgot this rule was in place. Probably should revisit after MSU
September 3rd, 2017 at 11:30 AM ^
I was pretty sure that it is only a recommendation so far by the AFCA. and hasn't been voted on yet.
September 3rd, 2017 at 12:57 PM ^
The rule Seth is talking about is still just a recommendation and now, you still have to do the dumb "season ending boo boo" shenanigans you have to pull now to get a medical redshirt. I did a follow up reply that outlines the current state of redshirting.
September 3rd, 2017 at 1:09 PM ^
The redshirt rule hasn't changed at all. Stew Mandel reported back in May that the AFCA had proposed a new rule that they hope will be voted on in January of 2018. And while its expected to pass, for now nothing has changed.
The current rules are the same -- play a single snap in ANY game of a season and you burn your redshirt. If the school can prove that you suffered a season-ending injury prior to the completion of 30% of your team's regular-season games (typically 4) then you can apply for a medical redshirt. But that is only granted after you've exhausted all of your other eligibility.
Since a lot of schools are abusing that medical redshirt loophole (including Michigan), the new rule would closer reflect the current reality and just make it all legal and less shady. The proposed rule change would make it so a player could play in ANY four games of a season (could be something like the first two games, one in week 8, and then the bowl game) and as long as they didn't play in a fifth game they could maintain their redshirt.
The oversight committee met in June and decided to continue discussion on the matter at their next meeting October 2nd and 3rd (they are also looking at a 14-week season with two bye weeks for each team). If they all agree on the rule, they'll move it along to an official vote on the matter in January at the NCAA convention.
Since coaches are pretty much unanimously in favor of it, its expected to pass. It would likely go into effect for the 2018 season, which would mean the old redshirt rules would apply to people playing this current season. So anyone that played in week 1 vs. Florida would have had their redshirts burned and we won't know if they're going to get a restored medical redshirt year until after the 2020 season -- and that's only if Michigan wants them back for a 5th year.
September 3rd, 2017 at 1:10 PM ^
Exactly, this is why I didn't spend much time trying to predict redshirts in the depth chart threads.
Many of these guys are going to play early.
It'll be interesting to see what happens over the 2nd half of the year.
September 3rd, 2017 at 2:02 PM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:43 AM ^
all guys who were pojected to get real PT this year.
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:45 AM ^
During mop up duty in the next few games they need to ditch O'korn and let Peters get some action. It wasn't the right time and place to do it in Dallas but it'll be a better setting in AA.
Speight is better than O'Korn but that's not saying much IMO. He's Navarre 2.0.
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:57 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 12:35 PM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 12:42 PM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 1:29 PM ^
I understand he's not Aaron Rodgers, but it's surprising how high he still is on his throws. Also, what worried me the most about the missed TD to Kekoa was how badly he overthrew him. Even if that ball is caught, he's standing out of bounds when he makes the catch.
I worry about him in Happy Valley or Madison if those overthrows are because he was too hyped. Those are going to be electric atmospheres.
September 3rd, 2017 at 11:27 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 11:43 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 4:25 PM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 8:12 PM ^
I'll resist the full Speight/Navarre debate because I was going for a "leave Navarre alone he was actually good you guys" response.
Plus when you compare two good things yada yada Harbaughism.
September 8th, 2017 at 4:42 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 11:00 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 12:54 PM ^
Peters will be a back up to Speight again unless McCaffrey beats Speight out. Unless Speight improves vastly this year, no NFL team will give him a chance.
September 8th, 2017 at 4:44 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 1:37 PM ^
according to UMBIG11 Peters has kind of petered out the last couple weeks and is projected to get passed by McCaffrey.
September 3rd, 2017 at 2:51 PM ^
That's the kind of nonsense coaches throw out for motivational purposes.
September 3rd, 2017 at 1:02 PM ^
Peters isn't starting this year and he's not likely going to replace a RS Sr./2 year starter NEXT year.
So he's got 2 more winters, 2 more springs, and 2 more summers to get ready until he's battling McCaffrey.
I'm sorry, but a few mop up snaps are not going to be the experience that puts him over the edge in the fall of 2019. No one is going to be going "Start Peters because he was 3 for 4 with a nice first down against Cincinnati's second team on Sept. 9th, 2017."
O"Korn is the #2...he should get everything that comes with that because we're playing THIS season.
Peters is the #3. Giving him random snaps isn't going to do anything for experience by the time he gets around to starting.
September 3rd, 2017 at 3:01 PM ^
I agree up until you say O'Korn should get everything that comes with being #2 (unless that's just a tautology). If there is a major injury to S or O'K, Peters becomes the backup and will need to be ready to go. He will certainly be #2 next year (or possibly #1 if there is an injury or S has the kind of year that encourages an early departure) so it's important to get him some experience.
My suggestion is to tell the QBs that S will be starting against AF, Cincinnatti and Purdue. He'll play a half, then O'K and Peters will each have a quarter.
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:45 AM ^
Can see it under participation on the boxscore from mgoblue.com
http://www.mgoblue.com/boxscore.aspx?id=2914&path=football
In addition to those listed above, I also see Paye, St-Juste, Mason, and Stueber.
I'm sure there will be several more over the next weeks when they are at home and can dress more players. Plus we've heard about some minor injuries on a few of the DL who should see snaps to condition them for next year.
September 3rd, 2017 at 11:01 AM ^
St. Juste and Steuber seem like candidates for the 4 games and redshirt option.
We don't need Mason to play this year but I wonder if they'll play him anyway just to get snaps to prepare for 2018.
September 3rd, 2017 at 11:25 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 3:21 PM ^
not substantial
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:46 AM ^
No redshirts were burned yesterday. The new rules allows everyone to play 4 games before burning their redshirt eligiblity.
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:58 AM ^
It's a proposed rule change at this point.
No redshirts were definitively burned because those players are all still eligible for a medical redshirt. We saw a few of them last season.
September 4th, 2017 at 11:26 AM ^
I thought it was all part of the recruiting reform package that went through. The extra tenth assistant is part of it as well.
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:47 AM ^
Actually that's not fair to Speight.. He can actually move a little bit. Navarre moved like he was stepping in knee deep cowshit all the time.
September 3rd, 2017 at 11:18 AM ^
stronger arm.
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:47 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 11:01 AM ^
Updated
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:48 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 11:29 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 12:37 PM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 12:39 PM ^
Even with the ball spinning bullshit, perry looked like our best receiver out there, so not too surprising to me we didn't see martin. I'm still expecting him to see significant garbage time minutes the next two games.
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:48 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 11:03 AM ^
He got in on the last few series when Hurst was out
September 3rd, 2017 at 11:04 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:49 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:49 AM ^
According to the game participation sheet, though it doesnt list Solomon:
Tarik Black
Ambry Thomas
Kwitty Paye
Benjamin St. Juste
J'Marrick Woods
Ben Mason
Andrew Steuber
DPJ
September 3rd, 2017 at 1:04 PM ^
It's wrong.
I've watched him on the field all morning in highlights of the strip/sack/Winovch and Furbush TD.
He also played the last UF drive.
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:49 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:51 AM ^
September 3rd, 2017 at 10:49 AM ^
I expect a lot of freshmen to get at least some minutes, so we'd have to go a long way down the roster before we start running into the "WTF" burned shirts, at least in my own opinion.
I remember seeing all the players listed in for at least a while. Many others dressed and on the sideline. I think that will be a familiar sight this season.