The Offense: Fandom, Confirmation Bias, And Why It's Probably Better Than You Or Brian Think

Submitted by mejunglechop on

As anyone who has ever moderated a liveblog can tell you, the psychology of fans is a curious thing. Here are some submissions that seemed sane enough to publish in the first quarter (no usernames, that would be cruel):

  • So what if we get pounded, we're still 2-0 against them the past 2 years
  • our offense has been downgraded from AAA to "Greece".
  • If Denard don't get his shit together next series, I would entertain the thought of putting Gardner in.
  • How come ND bounced back from a couple sucky seasons so much faster than us?
  • I would suggest Michigan drop ND from the schedule until the team gets better
  • Good thing we didn't pay $300 a ticket for this, eh?
  • Enough is enough. Denard needs to consider calling his own plays in open rebellion if that's what it takes to win.
  • now we have a bad defense AND a bad offense
  • ...we are completely overmatched. No getting around that.

Small samples. We jump in it. The feelings fans get in their guts is so strong they can’t help but make bold public proclamations after less than a quarter when they know it’s dangerous to read too much into the result of an entire game. Sometimes USC loses as a 41 point favorite and goes on to win everything else. Sometimes James Madison beats that season’s ACC champ. Sometimes The Horror, then Tebow Smash. Everyone knows this. It’s at least partially why Brian felt compelled to protest the strictures and conventions of sportswriting when making his prediction Friday.

As you might be able to tell from the title, this diary is a reaction to Denard After Dentist. The title choice is apt, at least in some ways. My buzz didn’t wear off until Sunday evening. Brian’s as big a Michigan fan as there is, and between the muppets and the “that happened” post, I’m sure he got a great glow himself. But Denard After Dentist came from a guy whose trip took him some places he’d rather not go. Don’t take my word for it:

But I hope I'm not the only one who felt a sense of foreboding in the midst of the joy and relief. We've seen this script the last two years, and never has it been as rickety.

Rodriguez was hired on the promise of bringing our offense into the space age. Zone left, run, run, pass on third and long: gone. Dreadlocks, speed, Barwisbeasts, fuse blowing scoreboards, modernity: in. That’s what we were promised. One of Bo’s players came back to lead the program and pretty soon Rodriguez was gone. Dan Mullen was quickly ruled out, and when Hoke was introduced at that press conference he conflated Michigan football primarily with toughness and that seemed like the day Dilithium died. 

Perhaps the most surprising element of Denard After Dentist wasn’t anything Brian wrote, but that no one in the comments challenged the central premise: that Dilithium is dying. Certainly, it feels that way, it has since January. But that’s not enough. Not on MGoBlog. This is a data driven place. Where’s the evidence? WHERE ARE THE CHARTS?

 

Michigan 2010

Michigan 2011

total drives

16

14

avg. starting field position

MICH 31.6

MICH 22.5

total plays

83

50

points

28

35

yards

532

452

yards per drive

33.25

32.28

yards per play

6.41

9.04

points per drive

1.75

2.5

points per play

0.337

0.7

punts

10

5

giveaways

0

3

3rd down efficiency

3 of 16

3 of 9

net penalties (on offense)*

-54

11

**

Again, this is silly. Drawing conclusions from one game is a fool’s errand. But last year’s offensive performance against Notre Dame sure doesn’t look as good as you remember it, does it? If Brian wants us to accept that our offense is worse than it was, it’s inconvenient that our offensive performance this year was actually much better. 

This is an aside, but here’s what Brian had to say about last year’s win:

I was going to let my skepticism overwhelm, to wait until it was obvious that 2010 was not going to be 2009, but I lasted two games. I'm in the tank again...

I've got an answer for the Courant now: Michigan is receivers blocking like tiny mountain goats 40 yards downfield because it matters, because if you set Denard free he'll go "AHHHH" at you afterwards. He'll smile and it will seem like the sun is poking through dark clouds, scattering colors in a circle all around you.

It’s a jarring contrast to the quote about the script never having been as rickety. And this:

All the reasons it left you with your finger between your teeth are reasons to wonder about the smoothness of this transition (not very), the repeatability of such miracles (even less).

Another aside: what a strange turn of phrase. Reasons to wonder? If Brian were wondering those parentheticals wouldn’t be there.

The smoothness of the transition is still an open question. As I showed above the statistics of the only real test so far this year don’t indicate anything is amiss. 

Turning to how repeatable our road to victory was***

I think any reasonable observer would answer that we got at least fairly lucky. But I don’t think we were as lucky as Brian seems to think or nearly lucky as last year. We had two big factors going for us last year that were not replicable with any sort of consistency.

First, if your recall, Notre Dame’s starting quarterback was knocked out of most of the first half (his backups and Brian Kelly’s ethics were of such quality that he returned and played for the second half with what was almost certainly a concussion).

Secondly, while this year we were the beneficiaries of two gift fumbles (certainly quite lucky), that’s outweighed by the fact last year we were +3 in turnover margin with a defense that was absolutely abysmal at creating turnovers and an offense and special teams that gave gifts freely.

Possible items that one might argue are not replicable from this year’s game:

  • Denard completed a couple jump balls to Junior Hemingway, who has a knack for catching those sorts of things . I guess that’s kind of lucky, but not particularly when you consider he missed a couple long shots downfield too.
  • Denard also threw a couple jump balls to Gallon. Both got completed in the end zone, but one to the other team. Tell me if I’m being cavalier in counting that as a wash.
  • The Denard fumble recovery score- How lucky is something when it mainly cancels out catastrophic unluckiness? I guess it depends on your perspective, but, of course, it registers.
  • Gallon being invisible isn’t any more lucky than the blown coverage we had that allowed the go-ahead score two plays before. 

Conclusions:

  1. Making bold conclusions from a single quarter or game is silly (remind yourself)

  2. We should be conscious that even minor failures in this year’s offense feed into our confirmation bias that a MANBALL head coach won’t hire someone who can handle Dilithium nearly as well as Rodriguez
  3. Michigan’s offense performed significantly better against Notre Dame statistically than it did last year
  4. (remind yourself of the first thing)
  5. We were at least fairly lucky to win this year
  6. We were luckier last year
  7. BONUS: The luck we had last year didn’t suppress our optimism. Maybe it should have a little, but the idea that there’s a script and if we let optimism creep in we’re doomed to follow it is silly.

Footnotes

*It should be noted that the yardage numbers don’t include the net yardage changes incurred by penalties for/against the offense. Last year’s game featured a lot of drive killing penalties and Notre Dame’s defense incurred none. Whereas last year our offense had a net of 54 yards of penalties against it, this year the offense gained a net of 11 yards from penalties. Again these aren’t reflected in any other yardage numbers.

**Caveats: ND has 8 defensive starters back, it’s fair to assume they’re better defensively this year… Last year’s game featured two missed Brendan Gibbons field goals from 39 and 40 yards, take your wild guess as to what the chances are of either going in this year and adjust your assessment of the offense’s performance accordingly.

***Given that Brian’s preceding sentences gave examples from both sides of the ball, I’m fairly certain I’m on safe ground including defensive play in my response.

Comments

justingoblue

September 13th, 2011 at 10:31 AM ^

Agree completely. Especially after OSU and the Gator Bowl last year, and Duke, UMD to a lesser extent. I would never accuse Brian of waiting for a loss. Under any circumstances. Ever.

RR could coach each team we played from here until 2012, and I still would have to see some concrete proof that Brian was looking for Michigan to lose, because I've never seen that side of him from reading anything he's ever written. If someone has evidence to the contrary, I'd love to read it.

Huntington Wolverine

September 13th, 2011 at 2:24 PM ^

I appreciate what the OP put up and I'm interested in seeing how it stacks up with the UFR.  The OP disagrees with Brian, that's cool.  What's not cool is going to the fridge in someone else's house and complaining because they don't stock your brand of beer.  

The comment I responded to was rude and condescending toward Brian, not disagreeing with him.  

The "groupthink" label is one of the most over-played and misapplied memes on this blog.

M Wolve

September 13th, 2011 at 9:24 AM ^

You sound like you think Brian really wants Michigan to lose a game just so he can prove a point.  I think anyone on this board, including the most extreme RR supporters, would gladly take a 13-0 season and be proven wrong about the coaching change. 

cbuswolverine

September 13th, 2011 at 9:07 AM ^

Much of last year's optimism about the offense/Denard two games in stemmed from the fact that it was our first time seeing it.

We're never going to score five touchdowns and put up 338 yards passing while our QB goes 11-24 with three picks ever again.  Never.  I'm happy with the win but this is not sustainable and there is obvious cause for concern.  

I trust the staff and have faith that they can work through some of the problems, but let's not act like the problems don't exist.

 

chitownblue2

September 13th, 2011 at 9:10 AM ^

Was expecting to win with our QB accounting for 500+ yards and knocking out the oppositions QB with a consussion for half the game a sustainable plan of success?

Where did this meme that teams win the exact same way every time come from?

You saw our games vs. Illinois and vs. Purdue last year? Or Our 2006 team against Ball State and Notre Dame?

This is just mindless complaint.

chitownblue2

September 13th, 2011 at 9:13 AM ^

It's not a straw man. You contrasted this year's game to last year's, and claimed that this year's was not a sustainable plan of success. Neither was last years. My point is that the complaint is utterly meaningless - no team wins games in clockwork fashion from week to week.

Jesus, we won the the fucking game. Do you just enjoy pissing in everyone's cheerios? Being miserable?

cbuswolverine

September 13th, 2011 at 10:56 AM ^

Read my post again.  I did not contrast this year's game to last year's.  I never said that what happened last year was sustainable.  I mean wtf at this point last year I was concerned that Denard wouldn't last five more games at that pace. 

I am not miserable or pissing in your cheerios.  Ironic considering you are the one throwing out ad hominems.  Overreact much?

sarto1g

September 13th, 2011 at 9:00 AM ^

It's misleading to calculate those stats and say our offense is better than it was last year @ND.  Last year our offense had a flow all game and didn't have to rely on doing everything in the 4th quarter.  It's sexy to look at those numbers, but you should really account for them without the last drive or some of the lucky bombs to get a clearer picture.  This was in no way similar to our offensive show in South Bend last year.  It was plain ugly for 3 quarters.

7jacks

September 13th, 2011 at 11:08 AM ^

Stats are fantastic.  I almost wish I saw them and didn't watch the game (not really, of course).  I might think the offense (so far) IS on par with last year.  But I did watch the game...and it's not.  If you don't see it, it's because you don't want to...and there's no sense in arguing.  I'm not a "sky is falling" person, and there's still plenty of time to get this offense clicking...but right now it is what it is.

sarto1g

September 13th, 2011 at 9:19 AM ^

I'm talking about the jump balls.  Yeah they were thrown somewhat well, but it was just AWFUL coverage by the corners who just settled for faceguarding and not watching the ball.  (e.g. Denard's bomb to Hemingway into double coverage in the 4th.  None of the DBs found the ball and had no chance to make a play.  That's not necessarily indicative of a well thrown ball either, as it was well underthrown.) 

steve sharik

September 13th, 2011 at 10:03 AM ^

...of a back-shoulder fade.  Most of those were not back-shoulder throws.  Back-shoulder fade routes are not just underthrowing, but also placing the throw to the outside shoulder of the receiver.  Go study the concept, watch some examples on youtube, then go watch the tape of the game.

Now, if you want to argue that the coaches noticed that the ND DBs (especially Gray) had no clue on how to play the ball in the air and that throwing jump balls was their best chance of success, I'm cool with that.

But I'm guessing that Brian's argument (one I agree with) is that throwing jump balls is not a sustainable strategy long-term b/c it would employ the expectation of clueless, talent-dereft DBs.  He is not saying that it is the long-term strategy, but that so far (small sample size accounted for) this team has not shown it can execute the strategy its coaches want to.  This is, therefore, forboding.

I think the main point of contention is that RR's spread was a sustainable offensive strategy for 2011 M Football.  I believe the main arguments against sustainability were a) Denard taking too much punishment b/c of the volume of carries, b) TOs, and c) scoring points against good defenses.

While those were are solid arguments, this year's offense has a) Denard getting just as many carries (despite promises to the contrary), b) TOs, and c) scoring against good defenses.

It's the last part (c) that is troublesome.  In my opinion, even though we scored 5 TD, only one of them was due to good offense while the others were the result of bad defense or luck.  Only the Vincent Smith screen was the TD we earned, while three were the result of shoddy DB play and one was a forced fumble that bounced right to Denard.

On Saturday night I jumped off the couch and celebrated like crazy, but realistically the offense needs to make some drastic improvements to be able to move the ball against quality defenses, much less score points, against good defenses.

As of today I can be confident of wins against only EMU and Purdue on the remaining schedule.  Minnesota likely, but which Goofer team will show up, and who will be coaching them?  If Kill is healthy and the team he led at USC comes to the Big House, I am not 100% sure M wins that game.

Aequitas

September 13th, 2011 at 10:26 AM ^

Steve, those are great points.  Folks are pointing to last year and saying it was not sustainable, as if the system existing in a vaccuum outside of young, under-performing players at the skills positions and a young, thin offensive line.  Be honest, how many players on offense over the last three years, were better than the opposing players on defense in their losses?

This year, based on 3/4 of a game and 1/4 of another game, this offense IS sustainable and anyone who is slightly concerned is a heretic or is dismissed as a Rodriguez fanboi.  That's asinine.

I'm cautiously optimistic based on 9 starters being a year older, and Borges looking likemay not be afraid to adapt to his personnel, but the truth is, there's a LOT of work that remains for this year's offense to be "sustainable".

Fuzzy Dunlop

September 13th, 2011 at 10:54 AM ^

 

This year, based on 3/4 of a game and 1/4 of another game, this offense IS sustainable and anyone who is slightly concerned is a heretic or is dismissed as a Rodriguez fanboi.  That's asinine.

 
You are either deliberately misrepresenting what people have said, or are incredibly obtuse.  NO ONE IS SAYING THAT THIS OFFENSE IS SUSTAINABLE, OR THAT THIS OFFENSE IS AS GOOD AS / WORSE THAN LAST YEAR'S.  We're saying that it's too soon to tell, but that Brian is being incredibly inconsistent in complaining about the offense based on HOW we scored 35 points, since he ripped on people for doing the same thing last year.  We're also saying that those who complain about massive regression are possibly overstating our offense's performance last year, as the offense struggled at least as much against Notre Dame in 2010.  
 
In sum, it's too soon to tell, but the data points don't yet support a "sky is falling" reaction.

sarto1g

September 13th, 2011 at 10:04 AM ^

I'll buy that, but you must admit that there was some awful coverage and I'm not so sure that Denard was purposely underthrowing some of those balls.  Some of those throws were questionable in the first place.  Take the first TD to Hemingway, for example.  Denard waits, stares down his receiver, hesitates for a second, stares him down again and throws the ball.  Against better coverage, I'd say we aren't so lucky to have a TD on that play

Needs

September 13th, 2011 at 9:50 AM ^

Watch the replay of Roundtree's TD from the end zone. You'll see a route and throw designed to punish a CB for playing inside leverage. Roundtree pins him inside and then runs a fade. It's pretty simple and effective. 

And underthrowing the ball is part of the plan, it allows the WR to work back to the ball as the CB's momentum carries him past. 

Jensencoach

September 13th, 2011 at 10:16 AM ^

He has a hard enough time throwing a pass intentionally accurate.  Do you really believe he is intentionally trying to throw inaccurate and somehow throws the ball to where he wants on each of his long completions?  I can understand trying to stik up for him, but he isnt throwing "rear shoulder" passes on purpose.  He isn't accurate enough to consistantly do it proper.

Fuzzy Dunlop

September 13th, 2011 at 9:12 AM ^

1)  He's not saying our offense is better than last year.  He's just saying that a comparison of the ND games doesn't provide support for gloom and doom.

2)  "Last year our offense had a flow all game and didn't have to rely on doing everything in the 4th quarter."  Really?  REALLY?  Do you remember the game?  Do you remember that we had only ONE score in the second half, and that it came on THE LAST DRIVE?  Do you remember that we had 12 punts?  Do you remember that, of our three touchdowns in the first half, one was the result of a drive that started on the ND 30 yard line, and another was the result of a "nonsustainable" 87 yard run? 

To copy from my post on the message board:

 

2010:

16 possessions

10 punts

4 touchdowns

2 missed field goals

25% success rate (up to 31.25% if missed field goals are considered half of a "success")

 

2011:

13 possessions

5 punts

3 interceptions

5 touchdowns

38.5% success rate

 

 

People look at last year through some major rose-colored glasses sometimes.

sarto1g

September 13th, 2011 at 9:56 AM ^

Maybe not a flow all game, but here is a better breakdown for 2010 v 2011:

 

2010 (by quarter)

1st quarter, 4 first downs in 4 possessions

2nd quarter, 4 first downs in 4 possessions

3rd quarter, 3 first downs in 5 possessions

4th quarter, 9 first downs in 4 possessions

3-and-outs all game: 6

Turnovers:  ZERO

 

2011:

1st quarter:  1 first down in 3 possessions

2nd quarter:  1 first down in 2 possessions (Others possessions were the 2 play scoring drive and the kneel down at the half, both not counted here)

3rd quarter:  3 first downs in 3 possessions (first play of the 4th quarter was a TD)

4th quarter:  5 first downs in 4 possessions (6 if you include a personal foul on ND)

3-and-outs:  3

Turnovers:  3

 

So, though there may not have been a "flow" like I originally stated, the offense in ND 2010 was much more consistent in moving the ball and not committing turnovers.  You can look at stats like the number of punts in 2010 and though this is true, it is not necessarily a barometer of our offense considering we had 3 TOs in 2011.

Please note that these are gained first downs and not total first downs.

Fuzzy Dunlop

September 13th, 2011 at 10:18 AM ^

It's amazing how the arguments change from year to year.  Last year turnovers were largely the result of chance, and did not represent a significant flaw in the offense.  This year, the opposite.

Are you really arguing that turnovers indicate regression in the offense?  I'll bet you a quarter that, at the end of the day, we have no more turnovers this year than last year.

One could argue that, the fact that we scored more points this year on fewer possessions and despite three turnovers highlights the improvement in the offense.  Again, I'm not actually making that argument -- my only point is that the claimed offensive "regression" is not backed up by any actual data.

Baxter

September 13th, 2011 at 9:20 AM ^

 

I hate to break it to you, but our offense wasn't that consistent last year.  They were decent in the first half, alternating punts with touchdowns for the most part (5 of the former, 3 of the latter).  The second half on the otherhand read like this:
Punt
Punt
Missed FG 
Pooch Punt 
Missed FG
Punt
Punt
Last minute TD
 

Indiana Blue

September 13th, 2011 at 9:05 AM ^

for alot of MGoUsers, the RR style was their "religious" belief that football had changed.  That the "Oregon's" of college football was the way to the promised land.  Never mind that the SEC is a defensive first conference, and that they have won too many MNC's in the last decade.

These people believe that a return to the "old" way is the wrong way.

I don't think the fundamentals of football have changed dramitically.  I still believe that on defense you, first - stop the run and then, second - pressure the passer.  Offensively, you establish the run, then use play action to compliment the running attack.  This also appears to be Coach Hoke's strategy  -  not so much by the 2011 season, but by his recruiting class for 2012 and beyond.  The focus has been the defense  -  LB, DL and secondary positions.  

Offensively this year, they will try to develop a ball control style ... but with Denard we will still be a quick strike offense.  As for the nd game  -  nd was a very good football team.  Who cares if we had luck  -  that's part of football and frankly something that Bo never seemed to get much of.  I thought our short yardage defense (D line / front 7) played great when it mattered in the 4th qtr.  -  I was also please with the defensive scheme and the fact that we looked like we were prepared on every snap (especially as compared to the WMU game).

I saw progress Saturday night against a good football team - a better nd team than last year.  

Go Blue!

M-Wolverine

September 13th, 2011 at 9:26 AM ^

With the love for the offense that ignores defense. (Yeah you get "sure, the defense sucked, and that was all our problem, and....ooooohhhhh, sparkly offense...").  Sure, the spread can work. It's a fine offense. Others can work too. You want to debate which works better? Fine. But debating that in regards to Michigan Football for 9 months with nary a post on "how would Rich have fixed his DEFENSE?" is a waste of time.  Where was that column? We've seen a lot lamenting the change of offense....but how were we going to field a defense? Because I've seen a lot of different offenses win. There have been a number of spread teams playing for the championship too. But other than last year, they almost all had GREAT defenses to go with it. Whether it was Alabama's MANBALL or Florida's fun and gun, the SEC plays athletic, fast defense.  And where that has been an afterthought lately, it's been made the main focus now. I like our chances better.

profitgoblue

September 13th, 2011 at 10:40 AM ^

I agree that I am definitely less educated about the Borges offense than I became about the Rodriguez offense over the past few years.  I immediately rejected the I-Form because it feels, well, boring to me.  I loved the fast tempo and the excitement it brought (even when it was unsuccessful).  But the misdirection screen play to Vincent Smith on Saturday was outstanding and opened my eyes to what that formation can do.  I could definitely use some study materials to learn more about the power formations that Borges uses and will use as well as the different plays he'll run out of the shotgun.  That would definitely be helpful.

 

M-Wolverine

September 13th, 2011 at 10:56 AM ^

It's a good offense. It's fun to watch. It has it's problems, too, but they all do. Just so long as one can acknowledge it's not the ONLY offense that works. That sounds like the 3-3-5 can't work stuff (which, if you run it like we did, it can't...but if you use it properly it can). Frankly, I always LOVED pounding the ball and taking the will out of the opponent by out-toughing them, with long drive taking chunks from them. I in no way think you can win by only doing that anymore though.  My asthetic preference is lost to reality. At least yours still works.

I'd say, beyond a little SDS film, you want to see what a modern, power game looks like, with more nuance than Wisconsin's true MANBALL? Check out some Standford film from last year. If YouTube or anyone has some of that bowl game, people were getting excited not just because it was Harbaugh, but how he had that team playing. It was tough, I-form style..but with that QB they were hardly 3 yards and a cloud of dust. They out toughed you, and out talented you.  It was fun to watch them. I would think with the talent Michigan can get, and Borges history, it's far more that than 3 yards and a cloud of dust.  The West Coast offense is not a "conservative" offense.  It's based on old principals that Elway's dad came up with and perfected by San Fran with Montana under Walsh. It's a passing offense, not a running one. Or kinda the next step everyone would have like Lloyd to take when he was in charge, from going to more pass than run, to really cutting it loose.  But still able to get 3rd and 1 by pushing back the D-line.

Needs

September 13th, 2011 at 11:10 AM ^

Stanford's running game was really fun to watch last year, in terms of toughness, talent, and scheme. The thing that really impressed me was how much pre-snap stuff they did to create mismatches against the defense. Moving tight ends to change the strength of the formation, motioning people into the back field to create blocking mismatches, etc. And then they had Luck and a bunch of talented TEs if the defense started cheating. 

It was a great example of a modern power offense that was unpredictable and kept the defense off balance. And yet, there were people here critiquing them as boring because they used huddles.

ForestCityBlue

September 13th, 2011 at 11:24 AM ^

Look at Oregon/Auburn and Oregon/LSU ... both of those games were won with toughness and effort and yes speed.  They won the important battles at the point of attack.  As funky as that offense is, those games were won with suffocating defense.

That is in a nutshell the argument that many of us are making.

[As an asside...a stat we need to start doing more with here is defensive passer rating...more so than FEI]

Needs

September 13th, 2011 at 9:55 AM ^

The fear is that you can't have a ball control offense with a base play that doesn't match your personell, because your offense won't be reliable/sustainable and you'll end up punting a lot. I think this fear is overblown, as it assumes Borges is philosophically inflexible, tied to the I-form power as his base offense, and nothing in his career indicates that he's either rigid or tied to the I. But those fears are based on a rational understanding of how offensive playcalling works, not on some religious dedication to the spread.

 

3rdGenerationBlue

September 13th, 2011 at 9:11 AM ^

Still have Sweet Caroline in my head....bahmp, bahmp, bah, bah...

Great post by mejungle - thank you for tugging on Superman's, er, Brian's cape, hopefully it won't get you censored. While I agree that Brian is a Michigan fan it is crystal clear that he is a much bigger fan of his vision for Michigan football. Unfortunately for him and fortunately for the program Dave Brandon did not include him in the process. Please raise your hand if you think DB considered reaching out to Brian......crickets chirping....

Re: Denard - the kid has an arm doesn't he?....albeit an inaccurate arm but future opponents will take notice and hey maybe even an NFL scout or two. AND he has demonstrated that he has the drive and desire to improve. Which undermines Brian's premise that Denard is being misused by this offense. Which offense do you think Denard would rather run? Is there a doubt that Denard wants to be a QB in the NFL? Let's have faith in Denard's ability to improve and the coaches ability to put him in the position to succeed. 

While there will be more bumps in the road Denard is going to become a better overall QB under Borges and by the time he leaves Michigan we will be proud of the finished product. 

7jacks

September 13th, 2011 at 9:11 AM ^

I like these.  If I hadn't watched the game, I might actually believe our offense is on par with last year.  Unfortunately, I did watch the game...and it's not.   I'm not a "sky is falling" person...but it is what it is. 

M-Wolverine

September 13th, 2011 at 9:32 AM ^

Our offense wasn't all that and a bag of chips against MSU, Iowa, and Wisconsin last year?  Because actually watching what happens and using that info to supercede the data is ok now, I gather.

(If you say yes, I have no problem with your point. Just hope you're more consistent than some).

7jacks

September 13th, 2011 at 12:19 PM ^

We were awful against those tough defenses last year.  I was one of the first ones throwing stats out the window after those games, too.  But that's not the point I was trying to make.  My response was to the original post suggesting that our offense this year (against ND) was on par with last year (against ND).  It simply wasn't.  Hopefully it means their defense this year is at least on par with the Iowa/MSU/Wisconsins of last year. 

Fuzzy Dunlop

September 13th, 2011 at 12:35 PM ^

I do.  I'm just messing with ya.

To be clear, I share your concerns about the offense.  I'm just a bit aggravated that I and others had some of these same concerns last year, based on some of the same reasons (big plays rather than sustained drives, lack of replicability, too much reliance on one player, inconsistency over the course of games), and the same people who were arrogantly dismissive of those concerns because "look how many points/yards we had!" are now repeating them verbatim, without acknowledging their hypocrisy.