This Week's Obsession: Coaching Malpractice (Not Ours) Comment Count

Seth

The Question (Seth):

Name a great coaching mishap...that happened to the the other guys!

(To clarify, by "mishap" I meant like a single play or series, not worst coaching choices. Blunder. Miscue. Bungle. Goof. Lapse. Miscalculation.)

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Adam: The first thing that came to mind was 2011 against Ohio State. OSU, down 6, got the ball with 1:59 to go at the 20-yard line. They converted on 4th and 6 and continued driving with a minute to go until they decided moving the ball was overrated and the key to winning was to stay right where they were. On 3rd and 6 from their 36 they ran 15 seconds off the clock...and then spiked the ball.

After the game Braxton Miller said that was what interim HC Luke Fickell told him to do. I'm no coach, but lighting the clock on fire and giving away a down to put yourself in a must-convert situation (and needing six yards, no less) with 45 seconds to go seems like a bad strategy.

[Hit THE JUMP for the Big Guy.]

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Ace: This post can't go without a Charlie Weis mention. In the 2009 Notre Dame game, the Irish took a late 34-31 lead on an Armando Allen touchdown, and Michigan's ensuing drive ended in a punt, giving ND the ball with 3:07 to kill. A first-down run by Allen and a subsequent run into the line caused Michigan to burn their first timeout with 2:29 on the clock. Facing second-and-ten, Weis called for consecutive passes, both of which fell incomplete.

Michigan got the ball back with 2:13 remaining and two timeouts in hand; Weis had failed to burn even a minute off the clock. Both the time and the timeouts proved crucial. Tate Forcier worked the offense down the field in nine plays, hitting Greg Mathews for the winning touchdown with 11 seconds left. Notre Dame got only one play off on their final drive, and Weis could only order his minions to chase the officials up the tunnel in the aftermath.

Miss you big guy xoxoxo.

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Seth: It wasn't just that Weis called two passes, Ace, it was the type of pass on 2nd down that really put the "misdeed" in his decided schematic advantage. A short slant, or a screen, or a stick, or any high-percentage throw short of the sticks would have been tough to defense, had a shot at picking up the first down that ends the game, and probably wouldn't stop the clock if it doesn't. Instead Weis had Jimmy Clausen throw a fade at Donovan Warren. It takes a special kind of brain to talk itself into risking an 85% chance to win on a 30% shot downfield.

That was going to be mine but there are so many other great ones. In fact you could make a separate post about dumb conservative play calls with just Iowa-Penn State games. Like when Penn State got a 1st down on the Iowa 2 with 5 seconds left at the end of the half and spiked the ball (burning 3 seconds) when they still had timeouts. Or later that game when Paterno woke up long enough to punt it with 5 minutes left down 17-3 on 4th and 6 at midfield.

But the true honor goes to Kirk Ferentz—and don't even try to argue he was right because it worked it—when he purposefully took a SAFETY with 8 minutes left to make the score 6-4. I mean the offenses in that game were awful, but outside of 1950 Michigan-Ohio State weather in actual 1950 there is no situation when giving a team the game-winning margin if they get a field goal and the ball nearly in field goal range is worth the fraction of a possibility your punt is blocked.

Honorable mention: In 2004 Glen Mason had Lawrence Maroney and Marion Barber and had torched Michigan's run defense inside, but on 4th and 2 on their final drive they chose instead to have Cupito throw at a guy covered by Leon Hall. That's defendable but man when he dropped back to pass I screamed "Thank you!" Then Braylon did a backflip.

Dishonorable mention: When Zook kicked a field goal late in the fourth quarter against the Buckeyes to make it 17-13. There's a reason his name is on all the internet awards for stupid.

Mention just to mention: John L. Smith's problems with never having the right number of guys on special teams, that led to the mat with everybody's number on it, and then they screwed it up anyway and the announcers cut back to footage of who wasn't standing on their number on the mat and oh man I was dying!

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Brian: Hmmm.

Got a three point lead.

About ten seconds left.

Seems pretty pretty good to me. Pretty pretty good.

Sure, decades ago they put in something called the "three point line" but I don't see what relevance that might have.

Wait.

WAIT.

Something's bothering me.

How many points are we up?

Is there any sort of... similarity that I should maybe be picking up on here?

I feel like maybe I could take some sort of action here.

Ah, who cares

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David: Probably one of the biggest coaching blunders I can remember took place in 2009. Let's set the stage. LSU is down 25-23 to Ole Miss and has 1st and 10 on their own 41. About 40 or so yards from a < 40 yard FG to win. There is 1:13 remaining. More than sufficient. They have two timeouts. Ha, easy. Let's look at ESPN's Play-by-Play chart!

1st and 10 at LSU 42
(1:13 - 4th) Jordan Jefferson pass incomplete.

2nd and 10 at LSU 42
(1:04 - 4th) Jordan Jefferson pass complete to Brandon LaFell for 26 yards to the Miss 32 for a 1ST down.

1st and 10 at MISS 32
(0:40 - 4th) Jordan Jefferson pass incomplete.

2nd and 10 at MISS 32
(0:32 - 4th) Jordan Jefferson sacked by Emmanuel Stephens for a loss of 9 yards to the Miss 41.

3rd and 19 at MISS 41
(0:32 - 4th) Timeout LSU, clock 00:32.

3rd and 19 at MISS 41
(0:09 - 4th) Jordan Jefferson pass complete to Stevan Ridley for a loss of 7 yards to the Miss 48.

4th and 26 at MISS 48
(0:09 - 4th) Timeout LSU, clock 00:09.

4th and 26 at MISS 48
(0:01 - 4th) Jordan Jefferson pass complete to Terrance Toliver for 42 yards to the Miss 6 for a 1ST down.

Uhhhh...wut. The first four plays are fine (Jefferson was a little careless in the pocket and got sacked but that can happen). They call timeout immediately after the sack.  Makes sense.

Then...they run quick swing screen to Ridley. Not great. I get they wanted to get a few yards back, but does that play have 10+ yards to get a still ehhhhhhhh FG from 45+? I would guess not usually.  In this case, they LOSE seven more yards.

This is where it gets interesting. This play ends with 26 seconds on the game clock.  They FINALLY call a timeout with 9 seconds remaining. That's 17 seconds of standing around and NOT CALLING A TIMEOUT. Finally, LSU throws a hail mary that is actually caught at the 6 but they have no timeouts and not enough time to spike the ball...which is what they try to do. And -surprise!- the game ends. Verne and Gary are literally yelling "GET YOUR FG TEAM ON TO THE FIELD."  There are probably 2-3 things that LSU could have done, other than whatever that was, and still had a play to win the game. 

After the game, a reporter asked Les Miles which coach made the decision to spike the ball. He answered that he wasn't sure and would have to find out. I have a guess.

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BiSB: Late in the 2014 Penn State/Michigan game, it looked like Brady Hoke had secured the Worst Coaching Thing of the Game award by calling a timeout at the end of the first half to give Penn State a free Hail Mary. But James Franklin is no quitter, and he kept grinding and looking for an opportunity. And then, with 1:43 left in the game, he saw his chance. Down 16-13, Christian Hackenberg was sacked at his own 3 yard line to bring up 4th and 32. Penn State still had two timeouts, which meant that if they punted and held Michigan to a 3-and-out, they might get the ball back with 40-ish seconds for a final drive. But they could also take the safety and either play the same play-for-the-three-and-out scenario in better field position or go for the onside kick. SO MANY GOOD OPTIONS. And Franklin puzzled and puzzled until his puzzler was sore.

Franklin eventually listened to his Dedicated 14 Year Old Who Only Plays Madden Assistant Coach and decided to go with the intentional safety. But by then, the play clock was running out. So instead of taking a delay of game penalty of approximately four feet (which is a big deal on 4th and 32 when you are going to attempt an intentional safety anyway), or attempting a hurried play (because it requires intricate planning to be able to take a safety from your own 3), Franklin burned a timeout - despite his timeouts being literally the only things he had going for him - to set up the PROPER intentional safety. This forced Penn State to attempt the onside kick, which they actually recovered but were inches offside so it didn't count.

And we danced.

Comments

NittanyFan

November 5th, 2015 at 12:27 PM ^

It was the correct call --- and that isn't 20-20 hindsight speaking.

Before that safety, Penn State had done the following: gone 0-2 on field goals, including missing a 25 (!!!) yarder (current NFL PK Robbie Gould no less), converted 1 1st down in the 2nd half, and scored their only 2 points of the game on a --- blocked punt.  

Another ridiculous stat from that game: Penn State turned the ball over on EACH of their last 3 offensive plays of the game.  Ferentz took that safety ......... and then got the ball back 1 play later anyway.

wile_e8

November 5th, 2015 at 12:37 PM ^

Yeah, I was going to chime in on this too. The only way Penn St. was scoring was if they got a short field, and Iowa was backed up to their own goal line and punting out of the end zone. The odds of getting off a good punt are low, and the chances of something disastrous happening are high. Iowa had shut down the Penn St. offense all day, the chances of them getting a field goal without good field position were so much lower than something going horribly wrong with the pressure punt. It made sense at the time, and hindsight only confirmed it.

gutsnglue

November 5th, 2015 at 12:29 PM ^

We gave them the ball after taking a knee on 4th down (with the clock running and 5 seconds on the clock) at our own 37. Could you imagine the outrage if Colorado had actually scored on the hail mary?!

nybluefan

November 5th, 2015 at 12:28 PM ^

The MGoBlog community continues to dump on Les Miles which I think is shameful.  He is one of only three guys in the Schembechler coaching tree to win a National Championship (besides McCartney and Carr) and he has won ten or more games in seven seasons coaching in the SEC.  And he is still going strong.

 

Leave him alone...yes, Lloyd doesn't like him and yes, he is a risk taker. But he is a proven winner and at the end of the day, he is one of ours!

CAHLChamp

November 5th, 2015 at 12:32 PM ^

I just noticed while watching the replay of last Saturday's game (cause Halloween and drinking and stuff), but when Minnesota scored a TD in the 3rd quarter to make the score 22-21 they kicked the XP to make it 23-21.  I don't understand why they didn't go for 2 there.  I thought "up by 1, go for 2" was coaching gospel.  Obviously it made a difference at the end.  Even if they had whiffed the 2 pointer, its 25-21 Minnesota when Michigan scores their TD, and Michigan's XP would make it a 3 point game.  Get that 2 points, and Michigan most likely still just kicks an XP after their TD to take a 1 pt lead, allowing Minnesota to attempt to win the game with a FG late.  Hindsight, I know, but I'm just kind of baffled.

ST3

November 5th, 2015 at 12:40 PM ^

2PT conversions are good about 44% of the time, extra points are probably around 99%. In the 3rd quarter, there's still a lot of game to be played, so it's better to take the point. You don't know if Michigan is going to score a TD or a FG or some combination thereof. I don't consult the XP/2PT conv chart until the 4th quarter.

Another dumb thing Minnesota did was run the ball at the end of the 1st half and settle for a FG. They had plenty of time to take a shot into the endzone and they were hitting 15-20 yard passes with regularity. Ride the gypsy while she's granting your wishes.

CAHLChamp

November 5th, 2015 at 12:45 PM ^

In my opinion going for two to get a margin that is a full score or two (3, 7, 10, 14) is valuable no matter when you do it, but I see your point as well.  I don't understand how so many coaches are so dumb when it comes to clock management, game theory type stuff.

Alton

November 5th, 2015 at 12:48 PM ^

The "up by 1, go for 2" rule only really applies in the last 5 minutes or so.

Picture this...Minnesota goes for 2, misses it.  22-21 Minnesota.  Michigan scores a touchdown.  27-22 Michigan.  Michigan goes for 2, makes it--29-22 Michigan. 

Minnesota, by going for 2 and missing it, could have turned a 1-score game into a 2-score (well, 1.5-score) game.  In the last minutes, that's one thing, but both teams had 3 or more possessions left.

MI Expat NY

November 5th, 2015 at 4:06 PM ^

Many, if not most coaches hold to the idea that you don't start "chasing points" until the 4th quarter.  As you say, with hindsight it's a no-brainer, but you could come up with alternate scenarios where that lost point could also come back to bite them.  For instance, what if Michigan had responded with a quick TD and a later FG before Minnesota scored again, giving Michigan 31 points.  It's a huge difference for Minnesota getting the ball back with 23 points rather than 22.  

There's just too much time and scoring opportunities left in the game to start laying out scenarios while still in the third quarter.  

AlCzerviksRide

November 5th, 2015 at 4:49 PM ^

it costs you valuable points down the road. See the Carolina-New England Super bowl a couple years back. 

Down 21-10, Carolina gets a TD, misses 2PC. Should be 21-17, but its 21-16.

Carolina gets another TD, and instead of a 1PC to make it 3 point lead, they go fo two again and fail. 22-21 Carolina, should be 24-21.

NE gets a TD, down 3 would go for one, making it 28-24, but down 1, they go for and get 2, 29-22, should be 28-24.

Carolina gets TD, get 1PC. 29-29, should be 31-28 Carolina.

NE gets game-winning FG, that "normally" would have only tied.

 

There's just too many scoring chances to give up valuable points that early.

 

dragonchild

November 5th, 2015 at 12:53 PM ^

Every icing the kicker, ever.

It costs a timeout and doesn't work.  It is sacrificing future options for the illusion of agency.  And if the kicker makes it (thanks to you allowing a windage shot) for a go-ahead score, you're going to want that timeout.

dragonchild

November 6th, 2015 at 6:22 AM ^

The condition is more "game-deciding" where it's clearly the opponent's last offensive series (and your chances afterward should you need to score again are grim).  Yes that situation heavily overlaps with the last play of a close game, but as much as there's an art to clock management, it's fourth down in FG range when the opponent is fourth down in FG range.  Neither coach has perfect control, and sometimes that kick has to happen with more time on the clock.  And coaches still sometimes opt to try icing the kicker.

Anyway, that hardly matters.  "Icing" the kicker is very much donating the timeout to charity, because it doesn't do what it's supposed to do.  "Might as well" is a horrible reason to do it, is my point.  It's practically superstition, with the only possible upside going to the opponent.

funkywolve

November 5th, 2015 at 2:20 PM ^

Not sure if it's a huge blunder but Alabama tries a really long FG on the last play of the game.  They and Auburn runs it back for a TD.  Auburn went on to the SEC title game and I believe eventually won the NC.

falco_alba15

November 5th, 2015 at 4:59 PM ^

Not really a blunder. Go for the field goal and the win and the NC slot, which was 57 yards I believe, or take a knee and go into overtime. It's just improbable that it'll happen on a field goal where you have your linemen defending a kicker versus a squad ready to tackle the return man.

Florida State won the NC.



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GuitarPicker

November 5th, 2015 at 3:42 PM ^

as "the other guys"? I mean it's not "us" - M. Because Marty Mornhinweg winning the coin flip to start OT against the Bears and electing to kick certainly stands out. And this was when NFL OT was sudden death - first score wins. 

M-Dog

November 6th, 2015 at 10:11 AM ^

1990, Michigan - Ohio State in Columbus.  Game is tied.  Cooper runs a slow-developing option on 4th and 2 deep in his own territory.  It is stuffed and Michigan hits an easy field goal for the win.  Cooper remains winless against Michigan at Ohio State.