Behind the Sticks: Advanced Stats and Brady Hoke’s Offense Comment Count

Adam Schnepp

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[Adam Glanzman]

“Sometimes, there's a man, well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there. And that's the Dude, in Los Angeles… But sometimes there's a man, sometimes, there's a man. Aw. I lost my train of thought here. But... aw, hell. I've done introduced him enough.” –The Stranger, The Big Lebowski

In mid-2010 I got hired by a bank to be a Customer Service Representative teller. This put me on the front lines of the never-ending war between people’s money and the financial organizations that hold it. I learned very quickly that there were two things that could turn a mild-mannered citizen into a venom-spewing troglodyte: bank fees and Rich Rodriguez.

I loved when people came into the bank wearing college gear because it meant I’d be able to easily strike up a conversation about football, and people are a little less likely to verbally assault you when you’re able to find some common ground. The operative word in that last sentence is “little,” but I digress. By the fall of 2010 people were so fixated on the abject disaster that was Michigan’s defense that they willfully ignored how incredible the offense was. This was the fuel they needed to turn the “RichRod isn’t a ‘Michigan Man’” fire into a raging inferno, and it got so out of control that I talked to people who were even criticizing Rodriguez’s wife for not being Michigan-y or Michigan-ish or something crazy like that. At one point someone complained to me about her having blonde hair.

The Microscope of Public Scrutiny was so zoomed in on Rodriguez and everything surrounding him that Dave Brandon was able to make the Free Press look stupid and then lie in wait. At some point in 2010 Brandon’s opinion aligned with the bank’s clients; to them, the Rodriguez experiment had failed. Enter: Brady Hoke.

Hoke represented everything that the anti-Rodriguez movement wanted: familiarity with the program, a defensive background, and the mixture of self-oriented humility manifest in his claim that he’d walk across the country for the job and the program-oriented bravado in the interminable fergodsakes claim.

The honeymoon phase lasted a full season, but by the end of Hoke’s fourth year the program was in a place similar to where he found it, a place all too familiar to Michigan’s fanbase. One side of the ball was above average, but the other side was in such shambles that the team collapsed under the dead weight. 

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"Once we get the power play down, then we'll go to the next phase. You know, because we're gonna run the power play."

Brady Hoke, 3/23/2011

The transition from Rich Rodriguez to Brady Hoke was like switching from cold brewed coffee to run-of-the-mill drip coffee; a move away from the newer, higher-octane movement and toward what felt more traditional, the tried and true. The fallout from this was immediately apparent in the speculation that one of the most dynamic players to every don the winged helmet might transfer to a school with an offense better suited to his talents (i.e. a school that wouldn’t put him under center and have him hand the ball off).

In what may be one of the most significant events in program history (more on that later), Denard stayed. Al Borges still tried to put Denard under center and Michigan did rep power, but there were enough zone reads incorporated to allow Denard to continue waking up opposing defensive coordinators in cold sweats. You know all of this. You watched it unfold. That also means you watched crimes perpetrated against manpanda and an offense hell-bent on skinning its forehead running against a brick wall before finally, mercifully, abandoning their MANBALL-big-boy-football-noises ideals and exploding out of the shotgun.

This piece is intended to be the counterpoint to the memory’s emphasis on the spectacular. The intent isn’t to accuse, but to take a more calculated look at what exactly happened to Michigan’s offense over the last four years and see where things went well, as well as where and how things stopped functioning.

[After THE JUMP: charts and tables]

First things first: a note on the stats I’m using. Most of what I’ll present here comes from Bill Connelly’s work, whether at Football Study Hall or Football Outsiders. The rest comes from Brian Fremeau of Football Outsiders. Connelly developed S&P+ (the + just means the stats are opponent adjusted), while Fremeau developed FEI, a drive-based metric. S&P+ uses play-by-play data, while FEI uses drive data. Taking the two together gives us F/+.

Connelly’s use of play-by-play data allows for the creation of some measures that try to account for down-and-distance in an offense’s performance, namely in Standard and Passing Downs S&P+. Connelly defines a passing down as second-and-eight or greater, and third or fourth down with five or more yards to go.

Connelly also filters out garbage time from all of his calculations, which he defines as:

A game [that] is not within 28 points in the first quarter, 24 points in the second quarter, 21 points in the third quarter, or 16 points in the fourth quarter.

Fremeau’s FEI also filters out garbage time, but I wasn’t able to find an exact definition of what he considers garbage time outside of first-half clock kills and end-of-game “garbage drives and scores.”

Having a stat that combines S&P+ and FEI is useful for getting a feel for a team’s overall performance, but it doesn’t cover some of the more specific things on each side of the ball. F/+ stats don’t exist for offense and defense independently, nor do they exist for things I use either S&P+ or FEI for below (i.e. standard or passing down statistics).

I also included 2010 to give a reference point for where the offense was before Hoke arrived. This turned out to be very depressing. If one of you invents a time-traveling DeLorean for the sole purpose of going back in time to stop Rodriguez from ever even considering hiring GERG I’ll know you read this piece.

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On last weekend's scrimmage: "Physical nature was good on both sides of the ball.” Saw ability to create big plays, but too many self-inflicted wounds. We have to remedy that before we play. "When you're transitioning offenses -- and trust me guys I've done this a bunch, OK? -- you can survive if the damage you do (to yourself) is not excruciating ... you're going to have some pain, but if those aren't things that are catastrophic, you can survive."

Al Borges, 8/25/11

The trends in Rushing and Passing S&P+ reflect the general assessment most of us have had over the last four years: diminishing production, with the running game reaching its nadir in 2013 and the passing game in 2014. Michigan was ranked second in Rushing S&P+ in Rich Rodriguez’s final season, and the offense essentially picked up where it left off in 2011, ending the season ranked fourth. The precipitous decline happened between 2012 and 2013, when Michigan went from being ranked 14th to 74th.

The passing game really didn’t fall off a cliff until after Borges was fired, ranking 13th, 11th, and 25th in his three years, respectively. In 2014, however, the passing attack ranked 72nd. But hey, the run game was up to 57th! Hooray for silver linings. Or not.

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A reminder: Connelly defines passing downs as second-and-eight or more, third-and-five or more, and fourth-and-five or more. Standard downs include first downs and anything closer than the parameters for a passing down.

The trends in Michigan’s Standard vs. Passing Downs S&P+ are less apparent than the trends in the Rushing and Passing S&P+ graph; national rank tells the story better. The offense held things together relatively well for Hoke’s first two seasons before things took a nose dive in his final two. This coincides with the offense’s transition away from using dilithium as its primary power source.

Also of interest is how good Michigan was on passing downs until 2014. It’s not that surprising that Michigan was ranked fifth in 2011; Michigan often fell behind before removing the MANBALL constraints and letting Denard run and heave the ball up. (You’ll see a table later that shows Denard’s downfield success rate and it wasn’t very good; 2011 was a lucky season, from the fumble recoveries to the success on passing downs.)

Year Std. Downs S&P+ Pass. Downs S&P+
2010 5 5
2011 12 5
2012 13 20
2013 57 32
2014 51 102

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A key for the below graph, via Fremeau:

  • ShF: Short Field Drives, the percentage of offensive possessions started at midfield or on the opponent's side of the field.
  • Opp ShF: Opponent Short Field Drives, the percentage of opponent offensive possessions started at midfield or on the team's side of the field.
  • LoF: Long Field Drives, the percentage of offensive possessions started inside the team's own 20-yard line.
  • Opp LoF: Opponent Long Field Drives, the percentage of opponent offensive possessions started inside the opponent's own 20-yard line.

Michigan’s offense had a surprising number of opportunities that, if the above graphs are any indication, they didn’t capitalize on in 2013. They started 16.9% of their possessions with a short field and 19.5% with a long field. (Michigan’s Long Field % was 39th nationally, a sixty-spot improvement from 2012.) Inefficiency on standard downs and rushing incompetence, however, meant that only 15.9% of opponent possessions were long-field drives; this ranked 119th, nine spots away from being the worst in the nation.

That all fits the narrative of 2013, but 2012 was actually a more difficult season for Michigan in terms of field position. A look at the national ranks shows that Michigan rarely had a short field and often had a long one, while their opponents had a short field relatively often and almost never started with a long field.

Drives and Field Position

Year ShF Rk Opp. ShF Rk LoF Rk Opp. LoF Rk
2010 56 91 96 113
2011 16 53 68 80
2012 96 78 99 121
2013 7 106 39 119
2014 60 121 11 61

The graph below nicely illustrates the disadvantage Michigan had in 2012, while also showing the advantage opposing offenses had in 2013.

starting field position

Michigan didn’t start with a short field very often in 2014, but they also rarely started with a long field. Field position doesn’t appear to hold the key to what went wrong with the offense, so we’ll transition to looking at different types of drives. More definitions from Fremeau:

  • Ex: Explosive Drives, the percentage of each offense's drives that average at least 10 yards per play.
  • Me: Methodical Drives, the percentage of each offense's drives that run 10 or more plays.
  • Va: Value Drives, the percentage of each offense's drives beginning on its own side of the field that reach at least the opponent's 30-yard line.

We can put a bit more credence in the chuck-it-up-and-pray trope about the 2011 offense from comparing Explosive and Methodical Drives. That offense was a top-ten unit in explosiveness but ranked 56th in Methodical Drives. A high Value Drives number (22nd) shows that the 2011 offense could move the ball into opponent territory without taking a ton of plays to do so.

Hoke and Borges’ vision of an old school, three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offense started to take shape in 2012. Explosive Drives declined while Methodical Drives rose; the drop in Value Drives from 22nd to 42nd, though, was a harbinger of the next two seasons.

Ex, Me, Va Drives

That’s, uh, not ideal.

OFEI

Maybe it’ll look better if we give it some extra context by looking at the national rankings.

Year OFEI Rk
2010 2
2011 9
2012 25
2013 42
2014 82

Ha.

Ha ha.

That’s opponent adjusted, too.

Ha ha ha.

/goes to make self cup of coffee, takes a walk in the rain

Looking at First Down Rate (% of drives resulting in at least one first down or TD) and Available Yards Rate (yards gained by the offense/total yards available based on starting field position) is in line with our move toward bigger-picture stats, but they tell essentially the same story we’ve set up above: the Hoke offenses got worse and worse with very little fluctuation in even the most specific stats. I think a table with national ranks illustrates the story of FD Rate and AY Rate better than a graph, as small year-to-year changes in percentage can result in big swings in national rank.

Year FD Rk AY RK
2010 37 16
2011 32 20
2012 48 45
2013 92 67
2014 59 98

The offense’s First Down Rate bottomed out in 2013 at 62.3% and recovered slightly to 67.5% in 2014. For additional context, Oregon’s 83.0% was the highest First Down Rate in the nation in 2014. Improvement is, uh, relative. As for Available Yards, you can see the precipitous decline. Hoke’s first offense gained nearly 55% of available yards, but by 2014 they gained just 40.1%.   

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Is the offense what you envisioned when you first came in? "That depends. I think the basic plays of a pro-style offense are a big part of it. The play-action game, all those things. There are some things out of the spread that we're obviously going to stay with, that kind of overlap a little bit with how you want to block at the point of attack and those things. We're still going to line up and run the power play a bunch."

Brady Hoke, 8/29/11

Rushing

That took a turn toward the morbidly amusing, so let’s look at something so absymal we printed a t-shirt. That’s a depressingly earnest shirt. MGoBlog: come for the torturous reminders of the past seven years, stay for the occasional space cat picture.

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It’s not a space cat, but Michigan’s Adjusted Line Yards were at their lowest in the lineup-shuffling, confusion-addled 2013 season and then were actually not terrible in 2014. Percentile is included in the graph to illustrate just how bad things got; Michigan was in the 98th percentile in 2010 and fell to the eighth by 2013.

You should read the full definition here, but Adjusted Line Yards are an attempt to separate an offensive line’s ability from a running back’s. It’s fairly intuitive; the line gets more credit for short gains than medium gains, and almost no credit after a back is 11 yards past the line of scrimmage. These numbers are also opponent adjusted. The line went from being one of the best in the country in Rich Rodriguez’s final year to being okay in 2014, but “okay” was relatively great for the 2014 offense.

Advanced stats for running backs are difficult to use because they keep changing. Bill Connelly used to use something called Adjusted POE (points over expected), but he’s concluded that it isn’t as useful as once believed and has swapped Adj. POE out for Highlight Yards and Opportunity Rate.

The numbers that are available, however, say what you’d expect: Denard was insane and then ineffable, Devin was good and then slightly less so, and the running backs went from pretty bad to pretty alright. Even with the running backs’ improvement from 2013 to 2014, DeVeon Smith was the only back to be ranked in Connelly’s top 100 and even then he wasn’t great. Michigan’s ground game over the past four years was essentially Denard and some complementary backs, and while Devin did what he could it’s tough to replace someone whose Points Over Expected value his senior year was good enough to place in the top five since the stat was created in 2005 when your supporting cast is relatively similar.

Passing

If you look at the Passing S&P+ graph above you’ll see that Michigan’s passing game was one of the few exceptions to the Rule of Constant Decline, improving from 2011 to 2012 before slipping and falling off a cliff a la Wile E. Coyote. Passing S&P+’s national rank did decline from fourth to 13th from 2010 to 2011, but the aforementioned improvement saw them as the 11th ranked passing attack in 2012. Even in 2013, a year summed up just as much by Devin Gardner’s Notre Dame performance as his play against Akron or Michigan State, Passing S&P+ was still in the top 25 (albeit as number 25, but still). It wasn’t until 2014 that things precipitously worsened, with Passing S&P+ ranked 72nd. Michigan went from having a higher-rated passing game than almost 92% of the country to having one better than just 44% of the country in two seasons.

This deserves a closer look, so I aggregated all of the data from the last four seasons of UFR’s Hennecharts. (Here’s the chart legend.) A disclaimer: 2011 and 2012 are fully charted, but 2013 is missing the OSU and bowl game and 2014 was charted through nine games. That says as much about the program’s trajectory as anything I’ve written above. The chart shows the percentage of that year’s total charted throws:

Yr DO CA MA IN BR TA BA PR SCR DSR
2011 7.9% 45.3% 6.0% 17.7% 8.3% 2.6% 2.6% 6.0% 3.4% 61.2%
2012 11.4% 44.3% 5.8% 11.0% 6.4% 4.1% 3.8% 6.4% 6.7% 71%* 
67%**
2013 10.4% 41.2% 4.8% 10.4% 6.6% 6.1% 1.9% 10.1% 8.5% 70.9%
2014 6.9% 45.5% 5.0% 14.1% 7.6% 7.6% 1.8% 4.7% 6.9% 68%** 36.5%***

*=Denard Robinson, **=Devin Gardner, ***=Shane Morris

Dead-on passes fell to a low heretofore unseen in 2014, while inaccurate passes were at their most frequent since 2011. Even so, the quarterbacking wasn’t as bad as you might expect when Passing S&P+ is ranked 72nd. The sample size issue is probably at play here. (Not that I can blame Brian because M00N.) The 2014 numbers don’t include games against Northwestern and Maryland in which Michigan barely cracked 100 passing yards and didn’t have double-digit passing first downs, plus the 250 passing yards from The (Sports Make No Sense) Game against the Turnpike Tetrodons.

Perhaps more important than the Hennecharts is the previously graphed Passing Downs S&P+ number, which was 102nd in the nation. Inability to move the ball on passing downs leads to an inability to convert and continue drives, and that certainly was seen in Michigan’s lack of Explosive, Methodical, and Value Drives.

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“Well, as expected, they fired me,” he told them. “They said they did an evaluation, and they didn’t like all the ‘negativity surrounding the program.’… “It was a bad fit here from the start.”

Rich Rodriguez, as reported by John U. Bacon in Three and Out

By 2014 the offense was nothing. They couldn’t pass; they didn’t run very well; they weren’t efficient, explosive, or methodical; they didn’t have terrible starting field position (in fact, they were almost top-ten in not facing long-field drives); they couldn’t put together value drives; they were middling at picking up first downs and awful at gaining yards available to them. That offense was the equivalent of empty calories, except empty calories are fun to eat. Consuming Michigan’s 2014 offense left you with the same high blood pressure but without a single enjoyable experience to pin it on.

Brady Hoke was a good cultural fit from the start, but his on-field track record left something to be desired. Advanced offensive stats in Hoke’s first two seasons were generally favorable in large part because of Denard. What Hoke’s offenses could have been is ripe for historical revisionism because of their lack of a prevalent identity; would Hoke have been better off if he had been able to fully implement his MANBALL ideology from the beginning, or is the only reason he was able to tread water for so long because Denard bought him time?

The big question I’m left with is what came first, a poorly executed transition or a bad fit? With the numbers laid bare we can see what Michigan was bad at, and it’s pretty much everything. This is where the “what ifs” start to fly: what if Denard transferred and the MANBALL timeline was accelerated? What if Hoke and Borges never tried to put Denard under center? What if Borges understood constraint theory? What if Borges didn’t rep every blocking scheme under the sun? What if Devin Gardner never got hurt? 

The numbers, of course, can’t answer those questions. What they can do is show us a true regression, a way of quantifying the misery of the past four seasons as the offense’s performance went from good to bad to baffling.

Comments

westwardwolverine

May 21st, 2015 at 12:01 PM ^

He had a solid box score against Nebraska. 11-18 passing, 2 TDs, 1 INT, plus another 80 yards (on 20+ carries) and 2 TDs on the ground. 

 

dragonchild

May 21st, 2015 at 7:35 PM ^

Denard did fine when he had the ball.  The 21 (!!!) minuses he got were racked up in large part because he kept handing off to Fitz at inopportune times.  I theorize Nebraska had reverse-engineered Borges' "give if the edge isn't clean" read and used an EMLOS defender to get the ball out of Denard's hands while the DE went right after Fitz.  A bunch of other factors put the game out of hand, but that particular strategy worked.

Basically, Borges coached Denard like he was an idiot.

tolmichfan

May 22nd, 2015 at 9:03 PM ^

You forget during large stretches of times when Borges had denard, the guy was playing with either a staph infection, or his nerve issue. Just because you or I don't know the exact timeline of these injuries doesn't mean they did not affect Borges's playing calling.



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Danwillhor

May 21st, 2015 at 12:03 PM ^

I still think we'd have struggled but Molk & VanBergen basically played on one leg. Also, Foster is a great DC. Yet, Denard's indecisive play would carry over from that game until he was hurt, just when I thought it all came together.

dragonchild

May 21st, 2015 at 11:18 AM ^

I've had my own theory brewing for a while now as to why the offense fell apart.  There's all the stuff detailed above, the recruiting misses, the scheme transition, etc., but the offense didn't just struggle through the Hoke transition; it collapsed.  As Space Coyote mentioned on his blog, Michigan had been running Power-O for several years and still couldn't execute it consistently.  He has, to his credit, refused to speculate the cause, given it really comes down to what goes on in practice.  Given I have no credibility to lose, I'll speculate for him.

Two issues come to mind, in the first half of the Hoke era.  The first was opponents' adjustment to the zone read, Nebraska 2011 in particular.  Fortunately due to great defense & ST play the game was a blowout for Michigan, but Denard finished the game with a -12.  Brian writes in his UFR summary:

When I cut the clips the striking thing is just how many of them I had taken because they were crap gains when Denard refused to make blindingly obvious reads.

What was he doing?  He'd been running RichRod's offense without similar issues.  Taking a closer look at a few of the plays:

Nebraska shifts the LBs with the Odoms motion and Denard again misses a keep read. Yeah, there's a contain guy. (emphasis added)  There are two of you on the edge. The defensive end isn't even thinking about Denard, instead hugging the LT's hip as he releases downfield.

I read somewhere else (sorry, lost the cite) Borges said he was coaching Denard to give if the "edge wasn't clean".  That means all opponents had to do to get the ball out of Denard's hands was show his jersey colors on the edge.  The guy's actual assignment wasn't relevant; something as simple as one guy with outside leverage on the EMLOS and Denard would follow Borges' strict orders to hand off the ball.  Fitz had a great 2011 season so it wasn't a great option, but they'll take Fitz over Denard, every time.  This is exactly how NOT to run a zone read; you want to force the defense into a bad choice; not the other way around.  Denard wasn't missing his read; Borges gave him the wrong read.

Now, maybe that could be chalked up to Borges' lack of familiarity with the spread.  Also, they did make adjustments later such as delaying the give/keep choice.  But then there was this moment, in the South Carolina game:

Yes, it's that hit.  Clowney's in the red circle, between Lewan and Kwiatowski; neither picked him up.  Obviously it was a miscommunication.  But what got miscommunicated?

The original zone blocking plan called for Lewan to tag-team block with tight end Mike Kwiatkowski. The new one called for Lewan and a guard to [double the linebacker]. But Kwiatkowski didn't hear the adjustment. When Clowney rushed to Kwiatkowski's right, Kwiatkowski thought he would have blocking help. He didn't.

Lewan was called to make a combo block, leaving Clowney, SC's #1 defensive threat:

1) Either one-on-one vs. Kwiatkowski,
2) Kicked out by Omameh as he pulls, or
3) Completely unblocked.

Even accounting for the miscommunication, these are all violently stupid options.  Kwiatowski has no chance against Clowney, Omameh has no hope of getting there in time, and #3 is unfathomable.  No sane lineman would look at a threat like Clowney and think the new call was a good idea even if perfectly communicated, but Lewan's first priority was doing what he was told (combo the fucking linebacker and leave the TE 1-on-1 with horrible leverage).  To Hoke/Borges, following orders is more important than, you know, doing what's obviously needed to win.  This is why I called the 27-for-27 game a betrayal of trust -- if you demand impeccable obedience, you damn well better not be Field Marshal Haig.

Now we've reached the crux of my point.  Hoke's offense is an offense of instructions and orders, not teachers and students.  They aren't learning the game; they're just learning where to go and what to do.  That may not sound like much of a difference in a technique-heavy sport like football, but over the long term, it stunts development.  Now, there's a reason to do it this way.  It gets faster returns (it's much easier to tell than teach), and for a program that isn't obsessively scouted like Ball State, you can execute a play a very specific way and not expect MAC DCs to relentlessly pick it apart for tendencies.  Michigan isn't Ball State.  Michigan's opponents have interns locked in dark rooms watching film for 27 hours a day.

I could go on.  Space Coyote has often chronicled various instances where the line would get confused and make the wrong decisions, even for plays they repped over and over, but I feel this can all be easily explained that all those myriad schemes and plays were taught to be run in very specific ways that made broad assumptions about how they'd be defended.  Borges wasn't a fan of constraints, but at Michigan, his bigger failure was his inability to realize that he needed to develop his recruits into players who understood football.  The kind that could make adjustments in real time without getting confused.  Based on his pressers, Borges obviously thought they weren't up to the task.

Enter Nuss.  He had his own issues, but I feel he was at least a teacher, not a teller.  Unfortunately the offense was in such deplorable shape that the "paralysis by analysis" that Borges tried so hard to avoid emerged in full force.  Funk managed to coach up the O-line to about average by the end of the season, but the RBs were lost with Jackson in de facto semi-retirement and Gardner -- in the position that needed the most teaching -- well, it was just too much.  He went from very specific sequences to figuring it out on his own, and if given another 2-3 years he might've been everything we hoped he'd be, he broke instead.

This is one reason why I don't expect Harbaugh's offense to explode in the first season.  The scheme change is an issue, but if he's the teacher I think he is, he's got a LOT of ground to make up because basically everyone on offense is a true sophomore in terms of development.

dragonchild

May 21st, 2015 at 11:49 AM ^

My post is detailed but VERY VERY speculative.  Strip it down and I am accusing the last coaches of not developing the players in favor of controlling them.  Which, well, people have been saying around here, but this is the closest I'll get to a formal accusation.  It's not really something I feel is appropriate for posterity, because all the evidence is circumstantial.

Second, my last diary was intended to be more objective and it still got hammered with negative posts.  Not that that got under my skin, but it certainly wasn't the engaging discussion I was hoping to foment, which seriously blunted the upside of going through the effort.  The theme here is far more inflammatory.  I'd rather not be the spark for yet another head coach flamewar, but as long as I want to get this off my chest, a post has a short half-life compared to a diary.

Bez

May 21st, 2015 at 1:39 PM ^

I'm glad you put this qualifying statement in here. Overall, I think your take is solid.  The biggest concern I have with speculation like this is it can be used as a foundation for labeling players in the future.

Maybe it's unavoidable but I'm not really looking forward to the impending comments during the season of certain players being "damaged goods" if they are preceived to be underperforming or not catching on with the new regime/system.

Mr. Owl

May 22nd, 2015 at 12:31 AM ^

So basically you're saying that the coaches tried preparing them for tests instead of teaching them the subject.  Then week after week when they went in expecting to be able to look at a., b., c, d. & e. to find the best answer they had to write long form essays.

That actually seems a lot like what we saw through 2013.

dragonchild

May 22nd, 2015 at 8:10 AM ^

Kiiiind of.  It's apt, but I'm not comfortable with this analogy because the contexts are so different and beyond the scope of this site.

While the principle is the same, I'm more comfortable comparing it to learning a piece of music vs. learning music.  Anyone can master a particular piece on the piano if they just rep it enough.  Musicians, however, are drilled scales and arpeggios as well as taught concepts like tempo, dynamics, key, transposing, etc.  At first glance it's very inefficient and causes intense "paralysis by analysis", but over time, a conceptual understanding gives one the ability to make seamless adjustments, improvise, and pick up new songs at a pace simple repping can't keep up with.

Danwillhor

May 21st, 2015 at 11:31 AM ^

is what I've been telling everyone: Hoke recruited talent but they're all at least a year above what their preparation is. At least a year! It's a team that isn't ready to win. Our most talented players are RS So-Sr but they might as well be 2 years younger mentally (many physically). The youngest will be fine as they get to be underclassmen but that means more youth laden squads in two years. Then they'll have to be coached up. I honestly think this is a much bigger build than most think. However, it's a genuine rebuild with takent recruited for this kind of football so it will eventually succeeded. I just think we need to be patient even with Harbaugh. Though, I'm not a fan for saying that so I'll go kill myself now lol

dragonchild

May 21st, 2015 at 6:50 PM ^

I think the story was more straightforward there, and well-chronicled on MGoBlog.  RichRod didn't get the DC he wanted, found a 1-gap DC but insisted he run a 2-gap scheme, never righted the ship.  The mystery was outside Schembechler Hall -- while I don't agree that RichRod's problems were insurmountable, why bring in a guy and then make his job harder than it needed to be?  It's easy to take sides but what's baffling is that no one involved on any level was against the idea of success.

Hoke's offenses were much more mysterious because they vastly underperformed.  They had talent, they had past success (Borges at Auburn & SDSU, Nuss at Alabama). . . It was easy to pick apart the details but everyone struggled to make sense of the big picture.

JFW

May 21st, 2015 at 10:21 PM ^

I don't give that much credence to the outside schembechler hall bit. Yes, it was there. But this is a smart guy. He paralyzed his defensive staff and players. Seemingly almost out of hubris. Mary Sue wasn't telling him to run a 2 gap or a 3-3-5, nor were secret Carr fifth columnists teaching the kids bad technique.

RR is almost more puzzling to me because while we can say Hoke never had the Big time experience that he needed, RR *did* and went off the deep end.



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dragonchild

May 22nd, 2015 at 6:17 AM ^

OK, that's a point.  RRod had guns pointed at his head from the day he arrived, but there were plenty of things those guns were NOT telling him to do that he did anyway, that got him fired.  Running a 2-gap 3-3-5 with a DC who didn't know how was one of them.

Again, I don't think RichRod's issues were insurmountable.  Tough, yes.  Unfair, yes.  But to me, the mystery is why everyone involved who remember, WANTED TO WIN was sabotaging the team.  RichRod's stubbornness in meddling with the defense.  Carr, Freep, etc.

In all, I really just think generations of success had bred a critical mass of arrogance within the program and without.  Everyone took success for granted and wanted success MY WAY, and in the process had to learn that success must be earned.  It's unfortunate that RichRod had to be in the middle of it, but the misadventures with the defense shows he had some learning to do himself.

JFW

May 22nd, 2015 at 1:25 PM ^

Agree 100%

"In all, I really just think generations of success had bred a critical mass of arrogance within the program and without. Everyone took success for granted"

I remember being at a game with Moeller and someone saying how horrible it was he went 8-4 or whatever the year before. At the time I wondered how many Big 10 teams would trade with us; and how much of a shock it would be if we lost that.

When it came time to replace Care I think hubris created horrible dysfunction. That's part of the reason I want to stop the wars between the spread zealots and everyone else today. The fighting does the program no good and can spiral.

I really feel for RR in that yes, he had millions from it, but being the center of that dysfunction clearly affected him on a non football level. At a football level I wonder if it kicked in some stubborn pride. I'm happy for him now.



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markusr2007

May 21st, 2015 at 5:48 PM ^

I've read in a long time on mgoblog. Thank you.

As for teaching quarterbacks the reads on option plays (whether out of shotgun spread option, wishbone, Option I, split back veer), it takes time and a lot of repping to get it right, and even longer to run it fast and smooth.  But it can be done. As you correctly stated, Denard was not coached properly how to make the reads except perhaps by Rod Smith/Calvin Magee, and then Denard was a true freshman.  Defending option offenses is a freaking nightmare when the QB knows what he's doing.  A lot of Denard's biggest gains were amazingly simple:  QB delays off tackle or QB draws with really no option reads at all. This was not a true zone-read offense as many had come to expect from the amazing Pat White show at WV. Still Denard was lethal as a RB in a QB number, but I often wonder what would have happened if Denard had been coached properly on zone read option reads, decisions and mastered it all?  Tommy Frazier, Jamielle Holloway, Turner Gill, Pat White..  Ineffable is a great word to describe what would have happened.  Michigan would have had more production out of it's RBs and probably less yards for Denard.  But as a whole the offense would probably have been unstoppable.

imafreak1

May 21st, 2015 at 9:36 PM ^

It was just an example but Denard's troubles with the zone read did not start with Borges. RichRod had 2 seasons to teach it to Denard (2010 was Denard's sophomore year) and for whatever reason it just never worked. As you noted, the 2010 offense moved away from the zone read to QB draws and off tackle and what not. At that point, mgo conventional wisdom was that Denard was not good at the zone read. It was all over the UFRs.

It does not invalidate the dragonchild's original point, but I do not think you can blame Borges for Denard's issues with the zone read.

dragonchild

May 22nd, 2015 at 6:31 AM ^

Then credit to Borges, because simplifying the read made the option viable.  Again, there are perfectly legitimate reasons to go with the "tell, not teach" approach, and this is one of them.  RichRod tried to teach Denard the zone read for two years and had to ditch it.  Borges got it back by making it a process instead of a concept.

But the downside to something like this is precisely what happened in the Nebraska game (and hence) -- a process will eventually be reverse-engineered, especially at a heavily scrutinized program like Michigan.  Borges had to keep tweaking but he could never stay ahead; there are too many permutations to drill.  Concepts is how you compress the permutations.  If the players understand what needs to be done, then are drilled on technique, in games you don't have to tell them what to do.

I think Borges wanted to simplify the game as much as possible for the players, do all the thinking so they could just run the plays.  That has dramatic short-term advantages but it's unsustainable.  In that light, I think Borges' resume makes a lot of sense.

MGoNukeE

May 22nd, 2015 at 10:29 AM ^

"RichRod tried to teach Denard the zone read for two years and had to ditch it."

I don't think Denard's inability to learn the zone read was the reason why RichRod abandoned it. IIRC it had more to do with Denard being the best runner by far on the 2010 team, so teams would defend the zone read by making him hand off every time. To maximize Denard as a runner in 2010, Rodriguez decided to use his running back as an extra blocker rather than let the defense choose between Denard and Vincent Smith. 2011 saw the emergence of Toussaint, a stronger running threat in his own right, so transitioning back to the zone read was logical.

I think your premise of learning football vs executing football tasks is sound. It just doesn't make sense that RichRod would avoid putting his players in a better position to succeed by calling a play they rep all the time in practice. Tate made plenty of wrong reads in 2009 that were bailed out by athletic ability (his long TD run against Notre Dame comes to mind).

dragonchild

May 22nd, 2015 at 11:27 AM ^

I'm responding to imafreak1's comment at face value.  I wasn't following RichRod's teams particularly closely because I had other things going on at the time (note the date I created my MGoBlog account).  So if we argue about why things were done during the RichRod years, I'm gonna lose.  I do appreciate that everyone's seeing the forest from the trees, though.  My focus is more on Borges than anyone else.

JohnnyV123

May 21st, 2015 at 12:38 PM ^

The perpetual argument and disagreement that I think I will always have with this site is the glory of the Rich Rod offense.

It absolutely melts bad defensive units, usually beats mediocre defenses, and can't get the job done against the elite ones. Rodriguez's last year at Michigan made that clear to me and I keep following his teams every year hoping to eventually be proven wrong.

The Pac 12 was a good place to hide from elite D's last year. Oregon was the best defense Arizona played at rank 31....and yes the Wildcats won the first round by a touchdown but Oregon had a bunch of injuries that game. Arizona also got crushed by them only scoring 13 points in the rematch.

Many were lamenting that we didn't keep Rich Rod after that Oregon win, yet Michigan had to play Minnesota 34th, Penn State 7th, Michigan State 22nd, and Ohio State 26th ranked defenses. I doubt he would have had any more success than he did when he was here when he played against the really good units.

A good team does not necessarily a great defense make and that's in my eyes where the stats go wrong. He could face a top 10 team with another great offense and bad defense and have great success scoring against them. Opponent adjusted...this would look very good but be misleading when talking about the offense vs. good defenses.

MGoNukeE

May 21st, 2015 at 1:54 PM ^

"Many were lamenting that we didn't keep Rich Rod after that Oregon win, yet Michigan had to play Minnesota 34th, Penn State 7th, Michigan State 22nd, and Ohio State 26th ranked defenses"

Only Penn State and OSU have defensive FEI ratings that rank above Arizona's opponents. Six of Arizona's opponents (Oregon, Utah, Washington, USC, Arizona State, and Boise State) have defensive FEIs above the rest of Michigan's big ten schedule. Even if you disregard the injury-decimated Oregon team, Arizona went 3-3 against that group. I don't know how you can say Rodriguez would struggle against Big Ten defenses this year when the PAC-12 defenses he faced were both better overall and he split against them. More importantly, are you arguing Michigan would not have been better off last year with Rodriguez instead of Hoke? 

Maybe you're using eyeball test to form your opinions, in which case there's no reason to have a discussion.

imafreak1

May 21st, 2015 at 2:25 PM ^

Selfishly, I was hoping this would have a strong dose of Nussmeier hatin.

Because, I am honestly over hating on RichRod for his time at Michigan. I have pretty much forgotten most of the crazy-making stuff he did but not quite enough to wish him back. My interest in Borges hate was exhausted long ago.

What Mgoblog has really lacked was any real Nussmeier hate--possibly because everyone was so focused on hating Hoke and Brandon and why can't the running backs hit the proper holes. It seems to me that the really truly stupid offense arrived with Nussmeier. This is backed up by various stats both here and found elsewhere. At least Borges looked interested in scoring and even did so occassionally. Even the gains in the running game under Nuss were inflated by the decrease in lost yardage from sacks which was caused by avoiding spending any time in the pocket which meant no long passing. Which meant a lack of explosiveness and no scoring but OK stats. Whatever improvement there was in the running game never lead to an improved result.

I guess I may have to follow some Florida blogs to get my fill of Nuss hatin.

dragonchild

May 21st, 2015 at 3:40 PM ^

We've consistently maintained an offense needs to be "yours" for 3-4 years before you "own" it.  Nuss implemented an inside zone base (which takes a long time to learn) and I speculate that he tried to replace Borges' "do what you're told" method with "know what to do".  The result was a catastrophe, albeit one I was optimistic they would eventually climb out of.

I am not ruling out the possibility that Nuss was an overrated OC that rode Saban's coattails.  But it's also possible he could've molded the offense into a solid unit if given time.  But whether he's terrible, awesome or whatever in between, he just wasn't around long enough.

imafreak1

May 21st, 2015 at 11:03 PM ^

Of course you are right that one season is too small of a sample size to judge from. But this is the internet where instant judgements are made. People were already complaining about Borges after his second game. Which Michigan won.

I will say this. If either Hoke or Nuss thought that installing inside zone was going to revert the offense to near 2008 levels of incompetence--with all that experience--then hiring him or taking the job was a horrible decision. Both of them had to think it was going to work pretty well because otherwise everyone gets fired.

I am sure if given enough time, Nuss could have developed an offense that could actually get into the redzone and not look completely ridiculous. But reading what Alabama fans were saying when he was there and after he left and observing him in 2014, I get the impression that if his base running plays don't get 4-5 yards routinely and the play action isn't working really well there is no Plan B. Without the awesome play action, he has no way to create explosive plays and is content to inch down the field hoping to get 10 yards every 3 plays. 

Which is exactly what we saw in 2014. Just look at the OSU game--inarguably Nuss' best game and a pretty good one. Michigan had 27 first downs but only 370 yards. That's 13.4 yards per first down. OSU and Michigan in 2013, for comparison, had 20 yards per first down. That comes out to 5.2 YPP, which oddly enough was also their season average and ranked them at 72.

But anyway. Good talk.

MgoTango

May 21st, 2015 at 4:53 PM ^

Much as I want to think the season will start and "it will all be ok" with Coach Harbaugh, I need to remind myself he needs to work with the talent currently here. Analyzing Rich Rod and Brady Hoke reminds me that a new coach comes in to try and do new things, but can't do so with an entirely new roster of his own chosen guys.

That's why I think these thoughts and analyses are useful, thinking about the past.

My casual observations were: Rich Rod was an innovative leader on offense, but he ignored the defense. Hoke tried to focus on the defense but then failed on the offensive front. He scrambled to get Nuss but things were too far gone to right the ship.

The theory of Hoke being a "teller not a teacher" is really compelling...that hadn't occurred to me before. Things failed offensively (the stats and losses say that), but maybe this is a window into how they failed. Hoke seemed to talk a lot about focusing on fundamentals and having really good practices. Maybe dragonchild's theory is more the reality of how that was happening (good practice=follow the script, less thinking/reacting?).

In all, dissecting what's been going on with the last two head coaches is helpful (and sometimes therapeutic) for me. It makes me hopeful we learn from it and no part of the team is neglected.

dragonchild

May 21st, 2015 at 7:40 PM ^

I'm putting forward something I neither can prove nor necessarily feel should be proven, given Hoke's gone anyway.  But if it provoked thought, that's the best I could've hoped for.

While I had to cut down my post for length, one other reason why I came up with the "teller not teacher" theory is indeed how they kept going on about the "good practices".  I believe them.  I believe the players executed every practice according to the coaches' expecatations.  It just didn't translate to the games because opposing defenses would make adjustments they didn't expect.  When what they were told required defender 1 to be in gap C etc., and that didn't happen, they'd run around wondering what to do.

If you teach the concepts, which is admittedly much tougher and takes longer, the players develop the ability to make adjustments on their own.  The defense was coached much better in that regard, but I think that's because Mattison and Hoke -- who can coach D-line very well -- had the capacity and mentality to develop the defense into players who knew what they were doing.  I feel this is what Nuss envisioned, but he only had like six months to unravel 2-3 years of "telling" and he lacked Borges' knack for scheming out of trouble.

FYI, I think Borges was the "teller".  Hoke's a teacher but was too focused on D-line instead of being an HC, Mattison was a teacher, Nuss was a teacher but didn't have enough time.  Borges being a "teller" explains why he's great with experienced units but can't develop an offense.

Richard75

May 22nd, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^

I agree with the teller/teacher idea with respect to the offense but not the defense.

Although the defense was competent--the blown coverages of the previous regime immediately went away and stayed away--we weren't exactly a thinking man's team on that side of the ball either. We consistently had problems with linebackers getting proper drops into coverage and with linebacker hesitancy in the run game. Lost in all the hubbub over the assistant coach shuffle last year was the fact that Mattison took over all the LBs. When the boss steps in, that's usually a sign that he doesn't like how things are going. (If all they wanted to do was free Hoke from position coaching, they could've just as easily left Smith on LBs and have Mattison do the DL.)

It just wasn't a well-coached team all around.



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JFW

May 21st, 2015 at 5:15 PM ^

Its interesting I guess... but at this point... so what? Hiring Brady was a mistake. Rodriguez didn't work out. This type of thread with its 'If we could only keep RR from hiring GERG!!!!' mantra just serves, IMHO, to stoke the fires of 'Ooooh we had the promised land offense... if only....' that acts as an irritant to half the fan base. Why?

I'll state I think RR is a good coach. I think had he been able to wrangle Casteel over here our last 8 years may be radically different. But he didn't work out here. Period. Yes, he had headwinds he had to deal with in both alumni and administration. Yes, 3 and out was a good book.  

But those things didn't make his defenses so horribly wretched almost from year one. For whatever reason, he just couldn't put that part together. An *average* defense may have saved his job. And it vexes me as his D coordinator originally wasn't a terrible guy. IIRC, Even GERG has had some success recently. It puzzles me as much as Nussmeier/Hoke being completely incapable of generating an offense that didn't have yakkity sax playing in the background. 

Hoke was overmatched for the job. RR was starcrossed and seemed lost without Casteel. Enough said. 

Lets put this all behind us for God's sake. We can't change it, and it only threatens to ignite the fires of controversy. I'd hate for us to go 8-4, win a decent mid level bowl game, and start having people say 'Oh, RR won 12... if only...' after the first year of Harbaugh. I think Harbaugh has a higher upside than RR; especially here. But we have to let it play out. 

If I never see Michigan's shootout vs. Illinois under RR or their drubbing against ND under Hoke again, I'll be very content. Both games showed just rank incompetency on the field at various stages, and it was embarrasing. 

Forward to the future. 

 

 

 

Eye of the Tiger

May 21st, 2015 at 7:19 PM ^

I know you put a lot of work into this, but what does it tell us that we don't already know? Our offense in 2013 was schizophrenic--explosive at times and immobile at others. Our offense in 2014 was just bad. We know this.

We know the 2009-10 Rich Rod inverse analog as well--an exciting offense paired to a keystone cops defense.

If we actually want to know what went wrong with either coach, we probably need more insider accounts of practices, film review, strategy sessions and the like.



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