Aly Raisman's mom eviscerates Tom Izzo
Title speaks for itself. Freep link:
Dear Tom Izzo,
I'm sorry it's been a difficult week for you. Did you hear, Larry Nassar also said it was difficult. Since you "hope the right person was convicted" I wonder if you are a complete and total MORON or just a LIAR when you claim you listened to the impact statements. https://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/954551566970904576 …
January 20th, 2018 at 7:42 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 8:34 PM ^
Here is an actual response to her on Twitter about this, from a poster on RCMB who is very proud of this response (FYI, to their credit, the posters on RCMB are hammering him pretty good for victim-blaming, but I think it's worth posting nonetheless):
January 20th, 2018 at 8:37 PM ^
January 21st, 2018 at 9:04 AM ^
different than penn state... why are they all not fired????... msu is starting to sound just like the joe pa supporters did..... everyone in authority at msu should just shut the f up..... we are talking about 13-14 year old girls..!!!!!!
January 20th, 2018 at 8:39 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 8:41 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 11:02 PM ^
247 I think
January 20th, 2018 at 8:42 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 8:49 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 8:56 PM ^
Where to even start with this guy?
And what the fuck Izzo? Would be nice if the national media actually jumped on him for once
January 20th, 2018 at 9:48 PM ^
Someone on RCMB posted it and before it "disappears" over there, as it certainly will, here is the guy's LinkedIn page. He is in the title business in Detroit:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/geoffrey-prichard-52909732/
In truth, I am not sure this guy deserves to lose his profession over this. But that might just be what happens...
January 20th, 2018 at 10:35 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 11:44 PM ^
Whoa, I've met him before. Real estate deal from several years ago. Unremarkable.
Damn dude, you screwed up big time.
January 20th, 2018 at 11:56 PM ^
I doubt he'll lose his job, but it certainly would make me reconsider working with a guy who basically victim-shames a family whose daugher was sexually assaulted by a doctor.
The internet is a terrible place and has made us all worse human beings in a lot of ways, but one of its few positives is that it lets people air out their beliefs in a public forum voliuntarily, and more times than not you get a pretty good sense of who they are when they aren't trying to put up a facade. The fact this guy honestly believes someone other than fucking Larry Nassar deserves blame for the molestation of over 100 women should be pointed out and rightly lambasted.
January 21st, 2018 at 9:44 AM ^
January 21st, 2018 at 10:11 AM ^
was molesting some of these girls. He'd position himself to block their view.
The parents and kids were told he was the best by the MSU and the whole gymnastics community and trusted him. It's easy to say they were foolish until you are in that situation that hundreds of girls were in. Of course you are much smarter.
As a parent of a 16 year old daughter who has a very open relationship with her, I still can't say she would tell me or her mother about something that embarrassing when she has been told it was a normal procedure that is going to help her pain.
I'm sure the parents have plenty of guilt without you trying to hold them accountable at this point. But I'm sure you are much smarter than the hundreds of other parents who went through it.
January 21st, 2018 at 10:40 AM ^
A) Good to know that you agree.
B) You have heard of Monday Morning Quarterbacking? Not the same as Couch Quarterbacking. Similar in effect none-the-less.
I don't know whether you are married, have kids, have nieces and nephews or whatever. I am not going to make the "think if it was your... what would you do?" If one doesn't have empathy, it doesn't matter however similar the situations are, they would never act.
I am not saying I always have empathy or act when I see injustice/cruelty. But I know which behaviors from others enrage me. The simple fact that you are trying to insinuate that the victims' are somehow to be blamed for what happened, tells me either you have very old ideas about how the world should run. Or you know but still decide to argue anyway, which tells me you have a lot of growing up to do. If you can try to get a different perspective on life. Based on ones' circumstances, the world shows up in different ways. You won't know unless you ask.
The victims have been shamed by Nassar and his enablers. Their parents, I am certain, are beseiged by guilt for the rest of their lives. The least the rest of us society an do is to point out, "hey you could have done better and feel about letting whatever has happened".
Btw, the gymnasts, athletes and their parents are asking for accountability from the people in charge of protecting these girls from such harms. They are not on trial. The Nassar and his enablers are.
January 21st, 2018 at 9:44 AM ^
January 21st, 2018 at 1:18 PM ^
Nobody is perfect.
Even if a parent had the opportunity to be in every treatment session that Aly may have had with Nassar, he was a monster that fooled a lot of people.
Intravaginal manual therapy is a treatment used for certain pelvic disorders, althought it is rare. Imagine one of the girls has a pelvic or groin issue and goes to see Nassar to get treatment, maybe with a parent present, Nassar starts to explain some anatomy and medical jargon to the girl and parent. He is a Dr. who is is trusted, is supposed to do no harm, and the explanation sounds logical. Maybe the parent even looks up the treatment on google and sure enough there it is. If Nassar is able to fool a parent, that just reinforces the idea that the treatment is warranted and legitimate to the girl, after all mom or dad is there and they approve.
Nassar is a monster, who built trust with these girls, who were exactly that young girls, who trusted this monster, as did the parents. I'm sure these girls were getting injured all the time and I'm sure Nassar treated them for other issues and had positive results so he built trust over time. Their parents saw the girls recover from injuries after being treated by Nassar so he built trust with the parents.
As for the girls feeling like they couldn't speak out about it, I can think of many reasons; guilt, embarrassment, shame. Not being sure that what had happened was wrong.
I'm sure these parents are feeling tons of guilt and shame that they weren't able to protect their children from this monster. I believe I read that one of the victim's father committed suicide, which the girl says was because of his inability to protect her from Nassar.
January 20th, 2018 at 9:14 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 11:21 PM ^
The internet knows his employer as well.
What the hell is wrong with you? https://t.co/1YSsxarsBe
— Scott Bell (@sbell021) January 21, 2018
January 21st, 2018 at 11:52 AM ^
it takes a special kind of stupid to make the rest of RCMB right, but this guy pulled it off.
January 20th, 2018 at 11:49 PM ^
Yeah, it takes a special type of asshole to respond like this. Glad to see the bulk of MSU posters going after him, because this is 100% the type of bullshit mindset that allowed Nassar to be a predator for 20 years.
January 21st, 2018 at 10:37 AM ^
I would never leave my daughter alone with a doctor, ever.
Said no mother of a 15 year old daughter, ever.
January 20th, 2018 at 7:50 PM ^
Needs to go away along with Simon and Hollis
January 20th, 2018 at 7:51 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 7:55 PM ^
Simon's comments/behaivor as seen in the video of her and the MSU gymnast in the lobby of the courthouse, then the Trustees statement from yesterday, and now Izzo's "statement" ...
I keep thinking: "The MSU Difference"
It seems like "not doing (or saying) the right thing" is a disease that goes all the way to the top.
January 20th, 2018 at 9:59 PM ^
I just watched the video of Simon and the gymnast in the courthouse lobby. Holy crap. Simon is evil. That eyebrow-raise 'That's enough from you missy' look that she gives the gymnast - how dare she treat her that way? Really embarrassing for MSU.
January 20th, 2018 at 8:01 PM ^
Dear Tom Izzo,
— Lynn Raisman (@LynnRaisman) January 20, 2018
I'm sorry it's been a difficult week for you. Did you hear, Larry Nassar also said it was difficult. Since you "hope the right person was convicted" I wonder if you are a complete and total MORON or just a LIAR when you claim you listened to the impact statements. https://t.co/CIdiTPtXa1
January 20th, 2018 at 8:02 PM ^
Another interesting tweet from her mom that I think will be of some interest.
Care to release another statement about how much you care about your athletes @USAGym @KerryJPerry pic.twitter.com/33GVaGAKxr
— Lynn Raisman (@LynnRaisman) December 8, 2017
January 20th, 2018 at 8:10 PM ^
USA Gymnastics feels that it had no duty to warn MSU about the concerns raised regarding Larry Nassar? I mean, does it have to be a statute for you to do the right thing? I can't remember anything in my life lessons and formal education that says that this would be a reasonable statement.
January 20th, 2018 at 8:15 PM ^
January 21st, 2018 at 11:20 AM ^
Sounds like there were a few lawyers at MSU offering this same type of advice. I would add that often this discussion of legal obligations vs moral obligations fails to properly account for the full possible fallout over the course of years. It happens like this because its easier for a lawyer to pitch to their client the immediate outcome/fallout while ignoring the slew of later potentials. You really have to have your clients trust to get messy with long term projections, and its hard to do professionally without coming across as paranoid, so I get it. I also understand the moral hazard of the billable hours by which an attorney, faced with a client that at a given point in time (possibly without considering all potential outcomes but whatever) wants to choose the outcome that's quite possibly going to result in extensive future litigation, who thereby fails to fully object or caution the client regarding this eventuality.
For example, 1) full disclosure and communication between the parties (USA Gymnastics and MSU) and 2) a leadership decision to, immediately after the first set of allegations, suspend Nassar pending investigation, would have drastically changed the outcome here. Many fewer girls would have been harmed, and the University would not be faced with nearly the level of potential harm they face now. While these two things were not legally required, per se, (I actually disagree on this point based on these MSU employees status as educators; if it were a middle school teacher who had not fully reported potential abuse, or a principal who had heard reports of abuse but had not acted on it, they would be in a world of hurt...but anyhow) its likely that counsel was involved at this point in some manner at an early stage with the decision not to suspend (or fully investigate) Nassar, and with the decision between USA Gymnastics or MSU not to communicate with the other.
"What do we have to do here", vs "what should we do here", is not simply questioning the difference between legal and moral obligations. The "should" question considers the legal, but then also entertains future liabilities that may very likely result in litigious activity and harm to the client. Moral considerations are not just a PR issue by any stretch of the imagination.
Had they asked the uncomfortable questions such as what if this continues, what if there is more to the allegations than we know, or what is the potential harm to the university if it becomes known at a later date that the university had some cause to suspect Nassar, but did not investigate, and as a result more harm was done to other girls, my guess is they would have acted more appropriately at those earlier stages. I'll close by saying in cases like this where there is ongoing harm to former victims (emotional, etc) and where there is evidence that at least one girl has taken her life (potentially as a result of) after being abused, there is a definite cost, likely financial (loss of state + federal +alumni + grant monies) and a huge loss of reputation that branches over into the above, as well as destroys a ton of the good work and improvements done over the last 20 years.
January 20th, 2018 at 8:38 PM ^
Anyone with a conscience or a child who was in the decision making tree at either USA Gymnastics or at MSU (post the 2014 investigation) should've been triggered to act, whether that be going to the authorities again or just telling parents of gymnasts about the accusations. There is a basic moral imperative in society that we protect children, and every person with knowledge about Nassar failed that in tragic fashion. Are the all criminally neglegent?--That's for the courts to determine. But none of these people should be able to retain their positions in any way, shape or form. As they are stating it, it sounds like they are covering their asses legally. How about having a fucking conscience?
So yeah, apparently it needs to be codefied in law for these people to act. Oh wait, it is law! Many of these people are legally obligated to report. I hope a rain of inditements extracts all of these enablers from both MSU and USAG.
https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/manda.pdf#page=2&view=Professionals required to report
January 20th, 2018 at 8:20 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 9:06 PM ^
A verbal shrugging of the shoulders... in essence, "oh well there's nothing I could have done." Really? Then you're not fit for the job. Ditto Hollis.
Officers and leaders of an organization set the tone from the top. MSU is indeed, tone deaf.
January 20th, 2018 at 8:19 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 8:33 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 9:07 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 9:43 PM ^
used to speaking to the press. Impossible for him to have not known he'd be asked the question - ridiculous to believe he wouldn't be prepared to answer.
January 20th, 2018 at 8:18 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 11:52 PM ^
It's not a bug, it's a feature. Belt and suspenders approach. State of the art. No extra charge. You're welcome.
January 20th, 2018 at 8:25 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 8:44 PM ^
I was a lawyer myself in another life and this is a different kind of case. Defendants and their lawyers can justify creating basically any theory or legal argument using many procedural reasons. Heck defense lawyers in a civil case make money based on how much time they can bill to create all that paper to file.
But in the end they have to be mindful that when a case is this public and the harm so pervasive, getting too lawyerly will cause the hammer to be dropped even harder. It's paper law v. people law. Don't forget to think like a human being while you are being super lawyer.
Those arguments in that brief better be solid winners. Otherwise you're just billing time and digging a hole all the way to hell for your clients.
Raisman's mom posting legal briefs is unorthodox and in most cases would be simple unsophisticated naivety.
But here it could ramp up the outrage among a large group of Plaintiffs. People who are fixing to both name their price and blow the doors off at least two very large, powerful organizations.
Making them mad with legal stonewalling or throw it on the wall defenses could be a really bad move.
January 20th, 2018 at 9:25 PM ^
I had enough classes in law to know it wasnt something I wanted to do or would excel at but isnt our entire system based on what a reasonable human would think or do in a certain situation? The highlighted portions of that briefing certainly dont sound reasonable to me.
January 20th, 2018 at 8:44 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 9:14 PM ^
We need to let our university know we mean business and will not allow this behavior. If this offends you, that says more about you then the OP.
January 20th, 2018 at 9:27 PM ^
January 20th, 2018 at 9:45 PM ^