Possibility of a Larger than Expected 2015 Class?
The current conventional wisdom has UofM pulling between 12-15 recruits for this cycle.
Does anyone expect Harbaugh to go higher maybe up to 18-20 range? Possibly granting some grey-shirt scholarship offers? Or preferred walk on status?
off topic question: Does Ty Wheatley Jr get free or discounted admission as his father is a UofM employee?
I know everyone hates the idea of oversigning, but isn't it very likely there will be some level of attrition once spring / fall practices begin in earnest? I would not be schocked to see 3-5 kids leave the program in a normal year, let alone a year in which there is a coaching change.
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:23 PM ^
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:26 PM ^
at all levels? if you get high up enough in the ranks does it kick in?
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:28 PM ^
No. This is an old issue that keeps coming up, it puts UM at a competitive disadvantage in recruiting/retaining faculty with children.
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:34 PM ^
left for ND because of this very issue. ND offered free tuition and M did not. This was back when assistants only made a 5 figure salary (and tuition was like 5k in-state).
Seems like a perk the U could provide to employees without too much cost.
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:45 PM ^
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure his daughter went to ND on an athletic full ride. Additionally, I don't know where he went, but I'm also somewhat sure that his son didn't go ND.
(source - not a creepy Mattison stalker, just used to ball boy Michigan women's basketball games with Lisa)
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:48 PM ^
Went to HS with his son. He went to Iowa on FB scholly.
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:48 PM ^
Went to HS with his son. He went to Iowa on FB scholly.
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:09 PM ^
9/27/1997...
"Not only was Mattison successful, his relationship with head coach Lloyd Carr was superb. That's why so many Michigan fans were surprised when Mattison bolted in December.
He said his No. 1 reason for leaving was that his daughter Lisa (now a junior in high school) could attend Notre Dame tuition-free. At Michigan, children of university employees don't receive a waiver."
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:26 PM ^
Informative
January 22nd, 2015 at 3:00 PM ^
+1 for #archives
Please tell me you find that on a laserfische?
January 22nd, 2015 at 3:34 PM ^
Lexis Nexis to the rescue.
January 22nd, 2015 at 3:04 PM ^
I looked it up and Lisa did end up getting a full-ride scholarship to play softball at Notre Dame. It stinks that number 1 reason he left Michigan for Notre Dame ended up being a completely moot point in the end.
Regardless, certainly sounds like it's still a policy Michigan should seriously consider changing.
January 22nd, 2015 at 3:22 PM ^
It comes up regularly, the faculty have petitioned the U to change the policy, and the answer always is 1) it's too expensive, and 2) our benefits are competitive. It is very expensive, but "competitive" depends on whom you want to be compared to. Harvard provides free tuition to the children of faculty, to go anywhere they want, not just Harvard. Not sure if that applies to the children of employees of Harvard who aren't faculty.
January 22nd, 2015 at 3:39 PM ^
Harvard's endowment is almost 4x larger. Although Michigan is #8 on the list with over $8 billion.
Hey math nerds, how big would that endowment need to get for Michigan to be able to offer free tuition without reducing the principal?
January 23rd, 2015 at 2:40 PM ^
Isn't UM's faculty unionized? If they are, this is something that would be addressed through collective bargaining.
January 23rd, 2015 at 9:02 AM ^
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:46 PM ^
in the form of a football scholarship, As an aside, it is my understanding that the AD compensates the school for all scholarships at the out-of-state rate.
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:28 PM ^
I'd say that most private universities offer this benefit, or at least a significant discount on tuition for spouses and children. Most public universities do not.
My father used to work on staff at the Emory Clinic (part of Emory University) for about 15 years. When he couldn't convince either my older sister or me to attend Emory (free tuition!), he quit and focused on his private practice.
January 22nd, 2015 at 6:03 PM ^
Couldnt we just bump Wheatley's salary by the cost to attend and then have Wheatley Jr walk on. I don't think there's a rule against it and we get an extra scholarship which is worth more than $30k or whatever annual tuition is
January 22nd, 2015 at 6:08 PM ^
so good of an idea i posted it twice
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:23 PM ^
for a larger class than previously thought (as you suggest)! Snoop at the GAME! Now that would be something . . .
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^
Snoop at the GAME! Now that would be something . . ....and at Hash Bash, book it.
January 22nd, 2015 at 8:25 PM ^
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January 22nd, 2015 at 2:14 PM ^
Unless it happens, it'll never happen. And until it happens, it hasn't happened.
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:28 PM ^
But if it never doesn't happen, has it really ever happened? If it never doesn't not happen, and we fail to not ever speak of it, well, what then?
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:40 PM ^
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:41 PM ^
you took the words right out of my mouth.
January 22nd, 2015 at 6:50 PM ^
Thanks a lot, assholes. Now my head hurts.
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:24 PM ^
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:25 PM ^
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:24 PM ^
can just play without a scholarship, but I might just be making this up... seems like this was discussed elsewhere a long time ago with Jeremy Jackson
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:30 PM ^
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:39 PM ^
TWJ attends Michigan as a student, walks-on and TW gets a bonus in the amount of TWJ's foregone scholarship. Boom!
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:00 PM ^
Sounds like a great way to get some extra NCAA scrutiny if it's not already explicitly forbidden.
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:16 PM ^
ignore the NCAA. If they can't stand firm with sanctioning an organization that sat on a report of child sexual abuse for 10 years, what moral authority do they have with infractions less severe?
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:35 PM ^
They have no moral authority but they don't care. Do you not remember Stretchgate?
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:16 PM ^
He would have to be admitted the old-fashioned way. If he were admitted because of a wink and a nod from the athletic department without counting against the NCAA scholarship limits, I think there would be a problem.
January 22nd, 2015 at 4:46 PM ^
TW has enough $$$ to just pay for Jr's education.
Won't ever happen, but it would be a sweet way to save a scolarship!
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:30 PM ^
Anybody with any kind of scholarship counts against the football team's number if they are on the football team. Otherwise, nothing would be stopping Michigan from giving academic scholarships, etc. to kids just to get them to play football.
If Wheatley were to attend Michigan as purely a student, he could do so for free because of his dad's employment with the university.
But if he attends Michigan and plays football, there will only be 84 other scholarships available.
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:32 PM ^
This answered my question
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:32 PM ^
This is discussed in an earlier comment, UM does not extend tuition discounts to children of employees.
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:58 PM ^
If I understand Magnus correctly, they do offer free tuition to the children of employees. However, if your are receiving said benefit and play a scholarship sport, said benefit counts against the scholarships for that sport.
Edit: From other comments, Magnus may be wrong . . . but I'll never believe it!
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:28 PM ^
I think Magnus was commenting on the NCAA rule moreso than if UM specifically gives discounts to children of employees, as it is clear that they do not. **if** they did it would count against the 85 limit.
January 22nd, 2015 at 2:39 PM ^
I was having a hard time coming to terms with a world where Magnus was wrong!
January 22nd, 2015 at 3:18 PM ^
"If Wheatley were to attend Michigan as purely a student, he could do so for free because of his dad's employment with the university."
This doesn't look like a general hypothetical about the NCAA, it looks like it's about Michigan, and it's not true. Believe me, I have several friends still on faculty there who gripe about it.
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:33 PM ^
This is what I meant to say. It sound much more convincing...
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:45 PM ^
January 22nd, 2015 at 1:49 PM ^
If Wheatley were to attend Michigan as purely a student, he could do so for free because of his dad's employment with the university.
That's not true. Multiple posters seem very confident that there is no discount at all for children of UM employees. And even if there is a discount, I'm almost positive that it's not 100%. That would be insane.