OT: 26 tickets to USMNT

Submitted by VintageRandy on September 29th, 2022 at 10:14 AM

ESPN just put out a decent write up of a roster projection for the USMNT ahead of the World Cup. https://www.espn.com/soccer/united-states-usa/story/4755864/projecting-the-usmnt-world-cup-squad-who-wed-take-to-qatar
 

tl;dr looks like this:

GK: TURNER, Steffen, Horvath

FB: DEST, ROBINSON, Yedlin, Scally, Cannon

CB: ZIMMERMAN, LONG, Carter-Vickers, McKenzie, Richards

Mid: ADAMS, MCKENNIE, Musah, de la Torre, Acosta

Wing: PULISIC, REYNA, AARONSON, Weah, Morris, Arriola

Striker: FERRIERA, Sargent, Pefok

 

Thoughts? Anyone you think Gregg will call up that isn’t on this list? Anyone that should be left off?

 

stephenrjking

September 29th, 2022 at 7:38 PM ^

The "National team as the primary way a soccer fan follows soccer" paradigm is indeed a strange one. Because the World Cup has been accepted (grudgingly generations ago, now much more wholly embraced) as a major event that even American sports fans should pay attention to, many Americans learn soccer through that lens first of all. It makes for some weird imbalances in how the game is followed and understood. 

It is getting better as European leagues have gotten more of a following. I remember how strange it was when I first took an interest in the wider landscape of soccer in a non-casual way in the wake of the 98 World Cup. It seemed bizarre to me (and boy did I hate the uniforms Juventus and Newcastle wore at first for reasons that American fans should get pretty instinctively) when I first started paying attention, but after some time it became more sensible. 

But it makes for some weird stuff here in the US when we follow the sport. A lot of people look at promising American players mainly for what they might bring to the national team. And that's weird in the larger picture; the vast majority of a professional soccer player's career is spent and income is earned playing for clubs. 

The rough equivalent is getting excited for what Luke Hughes might mean to the US Olympic Hockey team in 6 years. Guy's going to be in the NHL and occasionally play for the national team if he's good enough.

(FWIW I suspect that the controversy over TAA is less club fan provincialism and more a product of his very distinct strengths and weaknesses. How does a guy as good as he is at what he does not even make the national roster is the question, not, how does a Liverpool player not make the roster. My opinion only on this though). 

BJNavarre

September 30th, 2022 at 3:33 AM ^

Interesting. I feel like my USMNT fandom provides me a rooting interest in the games overseas. I haven't been able to latch on to an individual club - when a US player moves on, my interest in the club drops. I usually enjoy watching the club games more than the US team - just a much, much higher level of soccer than CONCACAF and almost all their friendlies. It's likely a strange way to follow the sport, but it makes it fun too with all the US players overseas now. 

With that said, I generally root for the success of the player, and don't really think about how it will help their position on the US team.

ShadowStorm33

September 30th, 2022 at 1:42 PM ^

I don't think it's that crazy that there are a large number of American soccer fans that are primarily (or even solely) fans of the USMNT (and/or USWNT). Think about how many people follow the Olympics, but then pay absolutely no attention to most of those sports for the next four years. Rinse and repeat. I think it's a similar dynamic. The national team provides a compelling motivation to support it (go USA), and that's coupled with professional soccer being way down the list of priorities in this country.

For example, MLS is certainly behind the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL in popularity in the US, almost certainly behind the PGA and NASCAR, quite possibly behind tennis, etc. And that's just pro sports. When you factor in college sports, college football and basketball are also absolutely ahead of MLS, and there are probably places where college baseball or hockey are more popular than MLS as well. So realistically you're looking at MLS being, at best, the ninth or tenth most popular league in the country. That's squarely niche territory, nowhere near mainstream. 

As for international soccer, it's an odd fit. Most often team affiliation is geographic--where you're from, or used to be from, etc. College, albeit largely geographic as well, adds the major exception to that for people that went to, or are affiliated with, the college, even if not otherwise from that area. So those are the two main drivers of fandom, and I'd imagine they explain the vast, vast majority of all fans. Even a number of other instances derive from these, such as inherited fandom (e.g. I'm a fan because my parents were fans, very likely either because of geography or college affiliation), or pro fandom that stems from college fandom (I was a Patriots fan, and am now a Tampa Bay fan, because I'm a Tom Brady fan, because I'm a Michigan fan, likely because of one of the above). Etc. There just aren't that many actual fans that chose a team without having any of the above affiliations with it. Which describes international soccer in most cases. How are people in large numbers supposed to attach themselves to a team thousands of miles away that they otherwise have no connection to?

I feel like that creates a perfect storm for national team fandom that doesn't have a corresponding interest in pro soccer. (Plus there are also people like me out there who just aren't huge fans of pro sports. Yes I have pro sport rooting interests, but I'm 100% a fair-weather pro sports fan. College sports are where my passion lies, with national sports (e.g. USMNT and Olympics) coming in second. But I wouldn't necessarily say I'm representative of a large group).

JimmyHardballs

September 30th, 2022 at 8:40 AM ^

Long should not be making the trip, he has been terrible. 

I want to believe Pefok is going to go as he is by far the best option the US has up top but Gregg has been king of terrible roster decisions. (Hopefully the atrocious play in these past two friendlies will change that)

Tim Ream should probably be going just because our CB spot is so shaky, at least he is starting and playing well for a premier league club.