OT - Yahoo! Miami accusations....unsubstantiated??
Ok i know many of you will smite me for posting this...but please have an open mind and just read the article. Remember when we were too under the microscope and how we all felt as the media tore us a new one.....hope this link works.
http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/renegade-reporter-spells-o…
August 18th, 2011 at 9:01 PM ^
Not negged for content, because I didn't read it. Negged for upvoting your own post.
August 18th, 2011 at 9:15 PM ^
I find it enjoyable to self-bang every now and again. I'm not talking daily or even weekly, but some evenings, when my family is all asleep, I'll sit down on my couch with a beer, get comfortable and bang myself. Give it a try - it really feels good.
August 18th, 2011 at 9:57 PM ^
Just, uhhhh, makin' sure that arrow stays up?
August 18th, 2011 at 10:04 PM ^
Well, I'm getting older, but my pos-bang always stays strong.
August 18th, 2011 at 11:12 PM ^
Self-bang, that's what we are calling it now?
August 18th, 2011 at 9:02 PM ^
I guess we'll see who the NCAA believes.
August 18th, 2011 at 9:09 PM ^
August 18th, 2011 at 9:06 PM ^
....and I still believe Miami is as close to toast as the NCAA will permit itself to make it.
August 18th, 2011 at 9:07 PM ^
August 18th, 2011 at 9:26 PM ^
I'm not trying to disagree with you but i will on a few points... 1) Anyone can run up a bill at a bar/club or resturant print it out and say " I was with the entire offensive line" does that mean it happened? 2) Photos of players with boosters or fans are common place throughout college sports. If you have never been to booster function then you would not know this. Soooo if I am a jilted booster who felt the need to get back at the players and program I can say "look at me I'm buying them drinks" and with those credit card receipts it looks even worse. Many players are often at those booster events, or banquets. Hell I have many a photo of myself with current and past Michigan players and granted I'm not a massive booster but it could be made out too look shady. 3) Many of the photos are captioned completly incorrect as well...saying its the Fiesta Bowl where its clearly the Orange Bowl and numerous photos of players when they are already in the NFL.
I'm not trying to say that many of the players aren't guilty of something but there needs to be better proofing of evidence before a story like this is leaked....and a few sports writers are starting to pick up on this. Stop the sensationalizing and write the damn truth!!
August 18th, 2011 at 9:44 PM ^
August 18th, 2011 at 9:44 PM ^
August 18th, 2011 at 9:44 PM ^
August 18th, 2011 at 9:46 PM ^
August 18th, 2011 at 10:07 PM ^
This looks like a rare quadruple post. I don't think I could do it if I tried, so kudos to you, sir.
August 19th, 2011 at 7:03 AM ^
August 18th, 2011 at 10:10 PM ^
Let's not ignore the fact that the stories were corraborated by 8 former players and even a few former coaches. That's not random receipts and pictures.
Also, the guy further proves he doesn't know what he is talking about by saying Miami isn't a repeat violator. He says that the last football violations are too far away, which is true (I think). However, the rule does not require the repeat violation to be in the same sport. Miama was recently sanctioned in baseball. We all remember that danger of repeat violation status for stretch gate over the Ed Martin stuff, obviously different sports.
August 18th, 2011 at 10:20 PM ^
August 18th, 2011 at 10:15 PM ^
Several former Miami players have admitted to receiving improper benefits from Shapiro.
August 18th, 2011 at 10:43 PM ^
::eye twitch::
August 18th, 2011 at 10:47 PM ^
What does he need to get them back for if these rumors aren't true that he lavished them with gifts for years and then they didn't help him out when his Ponzi scheme got busted?
August 19th, 2011 at 1:35 AM ^
But, he could want to promote and sell the book he wrote, he could be pissed they pulled his name off the players' lounge, he could be angry that the access he used to have to players was (allegedly) yanked out from under him by Shannon.
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<br>But yea, where's there's this much smoke there's probably at least some fire.
August 19th, 2011 at 7:25 AM ^
You are forgetting all the other people who were interviewed who backed up what Shapiro alleged. They'd all have to be lying as well (including former players who admitted to partaking in the imperissible benefits).
August 18th, 2011 at 9:16 PM ^
The guy is grasping at straws- does he expect Yahoo! to come out with a 500 page report detailing every tiny scrap of corroborating evidence? I heard Wetzel in an interview hte other day say there were tons of other allegations they didn't print because they couldn't independently verify them.
He is clearly very smart and would make a hell of a defense attorney, but at the end of the day he is a homer desperate to save his program that has just been nailed by some great journalism. Let's not forget, Yahoo! Sports has a pretty solid track record with these things.
August 18th, 2011 at 9:21 PM ^
There are lots of details that can probably be verified that nobody's checking as of yet. Kellen Winslow crashing a jetski into a boat comes to mind, there's probably plenty of paperwork around that whole incident (jetski/boat repair, witnesses etc.). Also if they ever find the captain of that yacht Shapiro had, he'd probably be able to confirm the hookers (who I heard all mysteriously disappeared after meeting Craig James) on the boat. I mean, that has to be the easiest lead in the world to run down, and that guy has no motive to lie.
August 18th, 2011 at 9:26 PM ^
A decent amount of reaching in that article, to say the least.
August 18th, 2011 at 9:26 PM ^
I couldn't read it. It was angst written by a buffoon.
This guy doesn't try to deny the allegations. He just says he hates Yahoo, says they have no integrity, and argues against the death sentence (as far as I could tell, as i didn't read everything the asshat had to say). I will add that he says there was no supporting evidence for some of the accusations. As a health care provider, there is something called HIPPA. Of course there are no files available proving an abortion.
This dude's blog post and your comparison of Michigan's to Miami's situations are both pathetic and both should be stricken from the history of the human race.
In short, I wish the negbang were back in full force. Fortunately you will be negbanged due to the fact that yours was a post rather than just a comment, but I feel it unfortunate that this maroon (moran if you prefer) is allowed to go on posting on the internet, and possibly even procreating.
August 18th, 2011 at 11:24 PM ^
This dude's blog post and your comparison of Michigan's to Miami's situations are both pathetic and both should be stricken from the history of the human race.
. . . I feel it unfortunate that this maroon (moran if you prefer) is allowed to go on posting on the internet, and possibly even procreating.
Tremendous. Certainly worthy of more than a "normal" tag. And these are only the best parts IMHE - the entire post is genius.
I'm kind of pissed off at you for having thought of this first. Fuck you - you're brilliant for this. Goddammit.
August 18th, 2011 at 11:35 PM ^
We just might make a Wolverine out of you one of these days :-)
August 19th, 2011 at 8:01 PM ^
I'd be honored but for certain days of the year.
August 18th, 2011 at 9:32 PM ^
article. Also, it is clearly biased. Lastly, I don't think that you can 100% discount somebodies allegations just because they are a criminal. If you could, then why/how do courts use informants. I could lay in to this writers article, but I think it's pretty easy to tell where he stands from this line.
Aubrey Hill: This is simply a case of he said, convicted felon said. Yahoo! claims to have one source that corroborates an illegal recruiting visit. Hill denies the accusation and one of the players involved, Andre Debose, has already been cleared by the NCAA. This looks flimsy looking at the overall evidence.
"he said, convicted felon said." Way to approach the article with a little bit of integrity and no bias, guy.
August 18th, 2011 at 9:47 PM ^
August 18th, 2011 at 10:12 PM ^
I think its clear that a liar can sometimes tell the truth and the data on this case is overwhelming, so much so that even if a portion is true it spells D-O-O-M for Miami.
That said, I think its also clear that Shapiro would get absolutely hammered by a defense lawyer in front of a jury for his record of being untruthful, deceitful, and felony conviction. The prosecutor would have to work extremely hard to establish credibility if they put this guy on the stand in a trial. Not that it couldn't be done just on the weight of the evidence, but Shapiro definitely does not make a good witness!
August 18th, 2011 at 9:55 PM ^
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August 18th, 2011 at 10:00 PM ^
We will smite thee...but yeah no offense Talcelm, this article doesn't look very credible.
August 18th, 2011 at 11:12 PM ^
Well I figured I would but when a number of sports writers including Stewart Mandel say good points are made and NCAA gotta prove it that people would have an open mind...guess not. Oh well negbomb away closed minded football fans...I'll still be a die hard Michigan fan and a semi closet Miami fan.
August 18th, 2011 at 11:26 PM ^
I think it's fair to say Callahan's quadruple post summed up what I think about it quite nicely. Agreed they still do have to prove it, but with all the evidence Yahoo uncovered, it seems to me the scales are pretty overwhelmingly tipped one way. I don't think that's necessarily close minded of someone to make that call, because hey this isn't a court of law, it's the NCAA. I'm free to judge the Canes as having made a mockery of the program, whereas I am technically not allowed to judge Casey Anthony or OJ or whoever (notice I did say technically, because as long as you're not a juror, whatever)
August 19th, 2011 at 12:00 AM ^
Lol...touché!!
August 18th, 2011 at 10:14 PM ^
this reminds me of when clarett accused ohio state of improprieties and all the osu fans just discredited it because clarett is a clown. clarett has definitely proven that he's an idiot but now it seems like what he was saying is most likely true.
August 18th, 2011 at 10:32 PM ^
Of the 8 or 9 former Canes who offered corroboration, how many of them are identified and quoted on the record? So far, I've only seen 1 or 2 who've actually been named. I say this because everybody went nuts when the Freep cited unnamed Michigan players when reporting the RR story.
August 18th, 2011 at 10:44 PM ^
August 19th, 2011 at 1:47 AM ^
The Freep granted anonymity to guys like Toney Clemons. They did this so that they could talk to players who clearly had an axe to grind without revealing that they were talking to a bunch of people with an axe to grind. That is blatently unethical. However, allowing guys who are admitting that they personally broke rules to remain anonymous is justifiable, particularly when there's corroborating evidence.
At any rate, the real problem with the Freep investigation is that they never bothered to make any sort of distinction between what the NCAA considers manditory and voluntary. As such, many of the things they claimed Michigan was doing were things that were legal. As it took Michigan fans all of a couple hours to realize that most of the extra hours were considered voluntary activities, a conclusion subsequently backed up by the NCAA and statements from other coaches and players, it is completely unacceptable for a legitimate journalistic entity to have missed that.
The Freep is a failing newspaper that decided to run an investigation on Michigan football to see if they could turn up any violations so that they could get more attention (and thus revenue). Their investigation turned up very little, but they decided to run with it anyway and try to make it seem large enough that the time investment wouldn't be a waste. It seems to have worked from a business perspective, but it was incredibly unethical.
August 18th, 2011 at 10:38 PM ^
He should have put adsense in. He is going to waste the one time he gets a bunch of hits to his fan blog that is pretty much like any of many done by individual posters here.
August 18th, 2011 at 10:40 PM ^
Surprised this post still up...I thought defending Miami was prohibited on this Board...
August 18th, 2011 at 10:57 PM ^
Your pitifully lame attack from yesterday is still up.
August 18th, 2011 at 11:20 PM ^
August 18th, 2011 at 11:21 PM ^
LMAO. Just because you have failed to take a look at the mountain of evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
August 18th, 2011 at 11:54 PM ^
There's a lot wrong with that article, but A for effort, and worth viewing if just for his chart:
Woo chart!
He's much too quick to dismiss anything by Shapiro, and he is just plain mistaken about the basketball program's stuff in the '90s being totally irrelevant, because major charges are against an athletic department/institution, not a program. Failure to keep multiple boosters away from your athletes over a decade is repeat offender LOIC territory.
August 19th, 2011 at 8:07 AM ^