This is mgoblog, where everyone supports a racist cheap shot artist and even takes to calling opposing players racist nicknames in order to better emulate him.
If they were enforced, Taylor Lewan would be booted out of CFB entirely. Which might be good for him, as it would allow him to focus on his KKK duties as Grand Wizard.
Actually, if you really want a history lesson, Michigan players did not "teach Notre Dame how to play football". Indeed, for a period of time, Michigan refused to play ND because they were afraid of losing. UM even tried to stop ND and MSU from playing each other to avoid giving their rival programs any prestige at all. The ND-UM "rivalry" didn't really exist until the 80s, while MSU and ND have been playing since the early 20th century fairly regularly.
MSU has not "always been" a second tier Midwest program. In fact, since the end of World War II, MSU has six national championships to UM's one. The 50s and 60s, the first era of modern college football, saw a period of unprecedented MSU dominance that ended only when Bo and Woody - legendary "rivals" - worked together to turn in MSU for violations that the NCAA wouldn't even bat an eye at these days.
The way I see it, your glory days of the 70s and 80s (in which you didn't win anything of significance) were fleeting, and MSU's recent rise is a regression to the mean. Biggie and Duffy made MSU into a national power, far beyond anything Bo did with UM. The difference is, UM has always been better at media spin and deceitful backroom deals. That's why you folks have this idea that UM is some kind of relevant national power, despite laying claim to only a single national championship since the Truman administration. At least ND has accomplishments in the 20th century; UM's glory days died with leather helmets and club football programs.
Now, let's be fair, and see what the thread on the UM felon has to say. I'm sure it will be consistent with what we've seen so far, right?
"I'm sure both were harshly punished behind the scenes, and I trust Hoke has managed these incidents to his satisfaction and that of UM."
Wait, I thought you didn't even know what "handling it internally" meant?
"So we can't ruin his life for one mistake then?"
You had very few compunctions about ruining the life of another young man when he played for a different team. Admirable.
"Hoke needs to walk into the rooms of 20+ parents a year and convince them that he's going to turn their son into a better football player and a better person. If he starts cutting kids lose due to first-time-offenses that the school itself doesn't deem serious enough to warrant expulsion (check the student code of conduct on stealing), neither should Hoke. Hoke is confirming his commitment in helping to develop the kids under his control, and not wash his hands of them the first time they do something wrong."
Oh good heavens, I think I shed a tear on how noble Hoke's goals are in playing Clark.
"I'm amazed at how many people are seeming to forget (1) that this is basically just a kid, which makes him prone to bad decisions, (2) that he's a human being not an object that we ought to use to "set an example" or "make a statement" and (3) the purpose of punishment in the first place. It isn't to make up for the bad thing the punishee has done. It's to help the kid learn from his mistake and be a better citizen in the future. And that's going to vary from kid to kid, and from situation to situation."
The sanctimonious morality train somehow keeps chugging.
"this is pathetic. so if you accept free cars or tattoes you have to sit out about half your football season, but if you STEAL laptops from people who work hard to earn them then you only sit out for only double the number of games as if you accepted free tattoes?
I understand that accepting cars or money from boosters is against NCAA rules, but come on, stealing laptops from children is on a whole different level, IT IS ILLEGAL IN FEDERAL LAW. This player should be thrown in jail and banned from playing college ball ever again."
Internally? "I sent them a very stern text message to tell them that what they did was not nice. They ought to appologize via twitter for their actions. I will make sure that if they do this again, it wont be a text message....it will be a 4 paragraph email."
My favorite one is from NateVolk, who says (in regards to the Dion Sims misdemeanor):
"That crystalizes the difference. There is just no way any guy, no matter how valuable, who was involved in that sort of thing would ever be brought back to the Michigan squad. I sincerely believe that the fans wouldn't condone it to start with. Way different places, way different standards, and way different level of scrutiny."
1. Hoke has had eight arrests on his team since his hire. Dantonio has had zero on his in the same time frame. The thugs are undoubtedly running the show in Ann Arbor, everything for victory, etc.
The embarrassing part about it is twofold: first, that you folks somehow still manage to cling to this sense of false moral superiority even when your players consistently end up in handcuffs; second, that it's not even working. Your team still isn't very good, even with the players naming their own terms. I don't need to be Nostradamus to see that this isn't going to end well for Hoke and his crew, even with his May Recruiting Championship trophy.
2. The first part of this statement is a lie. You people demanded that a Michigan State player be banned from football because he had the nerve to play rough against the mighty Michigan Wolverines. This is the same fanbase that cheered their heads off when Drew Stanton got hurt, or when Jalen Rose whiped his filthy, cheating ass on the court at the Breslin Center. Oh yes, we MSU fans don't forget these things. Why do you think we like the bloodsport of our defense meeting old Armpunts? It's a chance to give you what you've had coming for quite a long time.
And in regards to your multiple infraction bit, this is Toussaint's second infraction. Also, Sims' misdemeanor was his first, yet he still got trashed on here. Breaking and entering may not be assault and battery, but to say it's a "nonviolent crime" makes it sound like he was caught jaywalking. Let's be real here; if an MSU player committed a felony and Dantonio let him back on the team immediately, this place would be howling. As it is, it's all talk of second chances and forgiveness and "kids will be kids". It's hypocritical, and it's sickening. You pretend to be humanitarians concerned with the welfare of this kid, and that's a load of horse dung.
At least most MSU fans are honest about these things. Sure, let Frank Clark play. But drop the whole "holier-than-thou" act, because it's getting very worn out. Michigan is no better than any other school. Indeed, the way Hoke is running things, it's quite a bit worse than many other schools. Your academic standards for athletes are the NCAA minimum. You play felons. There is no "Michigan Difference", and the sooner you stop closing your eyes and pretending there is, the sooner you might actually be a factor in college football again.
Now Mighty Michigan is reduced to living vicariously through their fellow has-beens. Now, tell me again how we're not a real rival. Or you could just post it in one of the dozen other MSU-related threads posted in the last few weeks.
Or maybe an OSU one? If you can find one, that is.
Are you serious with this? Am I living in bizarro world? You still call MSU players "thugs" because a couple college kids got in a dorm fight in 2009. Yet one of your players commits a felony, and all of a sudden it's forgiveness and fresh starts? How can you not see this incredible hypocrisy?
Yes, if the half dozen MSU threads per day on here mean anything, it's that you're "rolling your eyes" at us. I'm surprised you don't have half as many threads about all your real rivals combined, since MSU means so little to you all.
So little, in fact, that you need to constantly remind one another of just how little you care.
So has the morality crusade begun yet to ban Jake Ryan from football? After all, he did have an "ATTEMPT OF MURDER" helmet rip on a defenseless Air Force quarterback. And isn't that the most heinous act in the history of college football? Has the letter writing campaign to Delaney begun yet? I enjoy being around such noble and moral college football fans, who don't let their personal bias get in the way of justice.
Seriously guys, nothing on the Jake Ryan helmet rip after the play? I thought you had a moral crusade against that sort of thing last year. Or has all morality gone out the window with a felon starting on defense today?
I'd like to see where you get that ironclad data of yours, because I've hated Michigan since I was just a kid. No one likes an arrogant bully. Now the bully has grown up, and he turned into a deadbeat loser looking back on his glory days of grade school when he ruled the roost on a playground full of first graders. That's about where your football program is at right now.
However, I applied to UM and was accepted, just so I could reject them. I loathe Michigan because of fans like you. Fans that honestly believe that UM is so far superior in every aspect, they look down on fellow human beings for their allegiance to a rival school. It's disgusting, and makes it unsurprising that the rest of the country is constantly revolted at how UM conducts itself.
Criminals, indeed. And how is felon Frank Clark projected to do this weekend? I hope well, otherwise the eight arrests since Hoke took over would look very unnecessary indeed when compared to Dantonio's 0.
If Lewan got called for half the crap he gets away with, he alone would lead the league in penalties. As it is, the officiating tends to favor UM, both at home and away. That's not really a good indicator of discipline. A better indicator might be run ins with the law, and by my count, Hoke is leading Dantonio 8-0 in his short tenure. I mean, Saint Hoke is letting a felon play against Air Force this weekend! You folks were throwing a fit because we had someone accused of a misdemeanor; you have a felony on your hands, and not a peep is heard. The hypocrisy is painful.
Fortunately, the 2010 MSU team and the 2010 Alabama team are not the 2012 MSU team and 2012 Alabama team. That's like me bringing up that MSU waxed Alabama some time in the 60s to prove a point about 2012. You Wolverines seriously have no concept of the progression of linear time, do you?
The Capital One Bowl was two seasons ago (and also came on the same date you were beat down by perennial powerhouse Mississippi State). What bearing does that have on this year's teams?
Hoke is letting a felon take the field against Air Force this weekend, and you're still talking about a dorm fight from 2009? I don't know how, but in your world, college kids getting in a fight in a dorm (and getting suspended / kicked off the team by Dantonio) is somehow worse than breaking and entering. This is not even including the fact that Rather Hall happened over three seasons ago, and Hoke's boys are running wild in the present.
Only a Michigan fan could watch his team get steamrollered one day, then wake up the next morning and actually take it as proof that a Big Ten Championship is imminent.
You really think your "BCS" bowl bid is going to be "forever"? Do people still talk about the third place finisher in the Big Ten from even two years ago, let alone from the beginning of the conference?
That's so delusional, I can't help but laugh. We got "passed over" because the Championship Game loss put us at three losses, not because we're irrelevant. You got in because money drives the system, and the product was so lackluster and embarrassing that it scrapped the entire system. I'm glad mighty Michigan has been reduced to celebrating third place behind its Little Brother, while Lil Bro plays for Rose Bowls.
You just got worked over by a defense full of new starters. Talented new starters, but new starters nonetheless. What happens when you come up against a seasoned defense with a chip on its shoulder?
Don't worry, we won't be the ones hiding. But I'd be getting a little worried about your team's safety right about now if I were you.
And losing by a similar amount to Mississippi State is much, much, much worse. Or did you all block that out from your collective memory? Did it not count because you were "down"?
Dantonio lets his players tweet after four straight victories, and Hoke lets his players commit felonies (eight arrests since taking the helm to Dantonio's 0). Breaking and entering is just kids being kids, but trash talk is reprehensible and proof that Dantonio is evil.
Do you really believe that this year's Bama team, which is replacing 2/3 of its starters on defense, is better than last years? I mean, I guess you need excuses for why you lost, since it is Michigan and all...
This is what happens when you play a real team. Your absurd run of luck is over. The delusion that you're a real football team is over. Welcome back to irrelevance.
Stonum was on what, his seventh chance? That's not exactly iron fisted discipline. But I can appreciate your stance in defense of young college kids everywhere. I'm sure if this were a hypothetical MSU player (we'll just hypothetically call him "Rucker"), you would be taking the same noble and forgiving tone.
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This is mgoblog, where everyone supports a racist cheap shot artist and even takes to calling opposing players racist nicknames in order to better emulate him.
High standards, indeed.
If they were enforced, Taylor Lewan would be booted out of CFB entirely. Which might be good for him, as it would allow him to focus on his KKK duties as Grand Wizard.
Attempt of murder! Commence the letter writing campaign!
Actually, if you really want a history lesson, Michigan players did not "teach Notre Dame how to play football". Indeed, for a period of time, Michigan refused to play ND because they were afraid of losing. UM even tried to stop ND and MSU from playing each other to avoid giving their rival programs any prestige at all. The ND-UM "rivalry" didn't really exist until the 80s, while MSU and ND have been playing since the early 20th century fairly regularly.
MSU has not "always been" a second tier Midwest program. In fact, since the end of World War II, MSU has six national championships to UM's one. The 50s and 60s, the first era of modern college football, saw a period of unprecedented MSU dominance that ended only when Bo and Woody - legendary "rivals" - worked together to turn in MSU for violations that the NCAA wouldn't even bat an eye at these days.
The way I see it, your glory days of the 70s and 80s (in which you didn't win anything of significance) were fleeting, and MSU's recent rise is a regression to the mean. Biggie and Duffy made MSU into a national power, far beyond anything Bo did with UM. The difference is, UM has always been better at media spin and deceitful backroom deals. That's why you folks have this idea that UM is some kind of relevant national power, despite laying claim to only a single national championship since the Truman administration. At least ND has accomplishments in the 20th century; UM's glory days died with leather helmets and club football programs.
Clark gets a little overeager to jump into that backfield. Apparently he thought it was a locked home with valuables inside.
Clark busted through that line like it was a locked door on a house with an absent owner.
Now, let's be fair, and see what the thread on the UM felon has to say. I'm sure it will be consistent with what we've seen so far, right?
"I'm sure both were harshly punished behind the scenes, and I trust Hoke has managed these incidents to his satisfaction and that of UM."
Wait, I thought you didn't even know what "handling it internally" meant?
"So we can't ruin his life for one mistake then?"
You had very few compunctions about ruining the life of another young man when he played for a different team. Admirable.
"Hoke needs to walk into the rooms of 20+ parents a year and convince them that he's going to turn their son into a better football player and a better person. If he starts cutting kids lose due to first-time-offenses that the school itself doesn't deem serious enough to warrant expulsion (check the student code of conduct on stealing), neither should Hoke. Hoke is confirming his commitment in helping to develop the kids under his control, and not wash his hands of them the first time they do something wrong."
Oh good heavens, I think I shed a tear on how noble Hoke's goals are in playing Clark.
"I'm amazed at how many people are seeming to forget (1) that this is basically just a kid, which makes him prone to bad decisions, (2) that he's a human being not an object that we ought to use to "set an example" or "make a statement" and (3) the purpose of punishment in the first place. It isn't to make up for the bad thing the punishee has done. It's to help the kid learn from his mistake and be a better citizen in the future. And that's going to vary from kid to kid, and from situation to situation."
The sanctimonious morality train somehow keeps chugging.
There are so many good ones, I can't resist.
"this is pathetic. so if you accept free cars or tattoes you have to sit out about half your football season, but if you STEAL laptops from people who work hard to earn them then you only sit out for only double the number of games as if you accepted free tattoes?
I understand that accepting cars or money from boosters is against NCAA rules, but come on, stealing laptops from children is on a whole different level, IT IS ILLEGAL IN FEDERAL LAW. This player should be thrown in jail and banned from playing college ball ever again."
Woops! Awkward!
Or this gem, from MGoSoftball, on Dantonio "handling the situation internally":
"What does that mean exactly? (Score:1)
Internally? "I sent them a very stern text message to tell them that what they did was not nice. They ought to appologize via twitter for their actions. I will make sure that if they do this again, it wont be a text message....it will be a 4 paragraph email."
Mark Dantonio on discipline
My favorite one is from NateVolk, who says (in regards to the Dion Sims misdemeanor):
"That crystalizes the difference. There is just no way any guy, no matter how valuable, who was involved in that sort of thing would ever be brought back to the Michigan squad. I sincerely believe that the fans wouldn't condone it to start with. Way different places, way different standards, and way different level of scrutiny."
Hilarious, right?
1. Hoke has had eight arrests on his team since his hire. Dantonio has had zero on his in the same time frame. The thugs are undoubtedly running the show in Ann Arbor, everything for victory, etc.
The embarrassing part about it is twofold: first, that you folks somehow still manage to cling to this sense of false moral superiority even when your players consistently end up in handcuffs; second, that it's not even working. Your team still isn't very good, even with the players naming their own terms. I don't need to be Nostradamus to see that this isn't going to end well for Hoke and his crew, even with his May Recruiting Championship trophy.
2. The first part of this statement is a lie. You people demanded that a Michigan State player be banned from football because he had the nerve to play rough against the mighty Michigan Wolverines. This is the same fanbase that cheered their heads off when Drew Stanton got hurt, or when Jalen Rose whiped his filthy, cheating ass on the court at the Breslin Center. Oh yes, we MSU fans don't forget these things. Why do you think we like the bloodsport of our defense meeting old Armpunts? It's a chance to give you what you've had coming for quite a long time.
And in regards to your multiple infraction bit, this is Toussaint's second infraction. Also, Sims' misdemeanor was his first, yet he still got trashed on here. Breaking and entering may not be assault and battery, but to say it's a "nonviolent crime" makes it sound like he was caught jaywalking. Let's be real here; if an MSU player committed a felony and Dantonio let him back on the team immediately, this place would be howling. As it is, it's all talk of second chances and forgiveness and "kids will be kids". It's hypocritical, and it's sickening. You pretend to be humanitarians concerned with the welfare of this kid, and that's a load of horse dung.
At least most MSU fans are honest about these things. Sure, let Frank Clark play. But drop the whole "holier-than-thou" act, because it's getting very worn out. Michigan is no better than any other school. Indeed, the way Hoke is running things, it's quite a bit worse than many other schools. Your academic standards for athletes are the NCAA minimum. You play felons. There is no "Michigan Difference", and the sooner you stop closing your eyes and pretending there is, the sooner you might actually be a factor in college football again.
Now Mighty Michigan is reduced to living vicariously through their fellow has-beens. Now, tell me again how we're not a real rival. Or you could just post it in one of the dozen other MSU-related threads posted in the last few weeks.
Or maybe an OSU one? If you can find one, that is.
Thug U
Are you serious with this? Am I living in bizarro world? You still call MSU players "thugs" because a couple college kids got in a dorm fight in 2009. Yet one of your players commits a felony, and all of a sudden it's forgiveness and fresh starts? How can you not see this incredible hypocrisy?
I'd rather shut down a MAC team than get physically dominated by a service academy.
How many starters did Bama replace this season?
Yes, if the half dozen MSU threads per day on here mean anything, it's that you're "rolling your eyes" at us. I'm surprised you don't have half as many threads about all your real rivals combined, since MSU means so little to you all.
So little, in fact, that you need to constantly remind one another of just how little you care.
So has the morality crusade begun yet to ban Jake Ryan from football? After all, he did have an "ATTEMPT OF MURDER" helmet rip on a defenseless Air Force quarterback. And isn't that the most heinous act in the history of college football? Has the letter writing campaign to Delaney begun yet? I enjoy being around such noble and moral college football fans, who don't let their personal bias get in the way of justice.
Seriously guys, nothing on the Jake Ryan helmet rip after the play? I thought you had a moral crusade against that sort of thing last year. Or has all morality gone out the window with a felon starting on defense today?
Can't wait for the three week long letter campaign to Delaney censuring Jake Ryan for that ATTEMPT OF MURDER HELMET RIP.
Frankly, I'd rather you all keep the trailer trash bandwagon fans. We don't want our fanbase as ignorant and arrogant as yours.
I'd like to see where you get that ironclad data of yours, because I've hated Michigan since I was just a kid. No one likes an arrogant bully. Now the bully has grown up, and he turned into a deadbeat loser looking back on his glory days of grade school when he ruled the roost on a playground full of first graders. That's about where your football program is at right now.
However, I applied to UM and was accepted, just so I could reject them. I loathe Michigan because of fans like you. Fans that honestly believe that UM is so far superior in every aspect, they look down on fellow human beings for their allegiance to a rival school. It's disgusting, and makes it unsurprising that the rest of the country is constantly revolted at how UM conducts itself.
Maxwell's interceptions were more on the receivers, but I don't really need to make an excuse for our quarterback when you don't even have one.
Yes, I'm sure Michigan's performance on Saturday really put the fear of God in him.
Criminals, indeed. And how is felon Frank Clark projected to do this weekend? I hope well, otherwise the eight arrests since Hoke took over would look very unnecessary indeed when compared to Dantonio's 0.
If Lewan got called for half the crap he gets away with, he alone would lead the league in penalties. As it is, the officiating tends to favor UM, both at home and away. That's not really a good indicator of discipline. A better indicator might be run ins with the law, and by my count, Hoke is leading Dantonio 8-0 in his short tenure. I mean, Saint Hoke is letting a felon play against Air Force this weekend! You folks were throwing a fit because we had someone accused of a misdemeanor; you have a felony on your hands, and not a peep is heard. The hypocrisy is painful.
How did we have more talent? Your recruiting classes blew ours out of the water. Isn't that the only indicator of a program's success?
Fortunately, the 2010 MSU team and the 2010 Alabama team are not the 2012 MSU team and 2012 Alabama team. That's like me bringing up that MSU waxed Alabama some time in the 60s to prove a point about 2012. You Wolverines seriously have no concept of the progression of linear time, do you?
The Capital One Bowl was two seasons ago (and also came on the same date you were beat down by perennial powerhouse Mississippi State). What bearing does that have on this year's teams?
Hoke is letting a felon take the field against Air Force this weekend, and you're still talking about a dorm fight from 2009? I don't know how, but in your world, college kids getting in a fight in a dorm (and getting suspended / kicked off the team by Dantonio) is somehow worse than breaking and entering. This is not even including the fact that Rather Hall happened over three seasons ago, and Hoke's boys are running wild in the present.
Only a Michigan fan could watch his team get steamrollered one day, then wake up the next morning and actually take it as proof that a Big Ten Championship is imminent.
Because as we all know, recruiting rankings mean everything.
Signed,
The last four classes at MSU and UM.
Oh, and we
You mad, bro?
Oh, and we never had "recruiting dominance". We limit our dominance to the football field.
You really think your "BCS" bowl bid is going to be "forever"? Do people still talk about the third place finisher in the Big Ten from even two years ago, let alone from the beginning of the conference?
That's so delusional, I can't help but laugh. We got "passed over" because the Championship Game loss put us at three losses, not because we're irrelevant. You got in because money drives the system, and the product was so lackluster and embarrassing that it scrapped the entire system. I'm glad mighty Michigan has been reduced to celebrating third place behind its Little Brother, while Lil Bro plays for Rose Bowls.
You just got worked over by a defense full of new starters. Talented new starters, but new starters nonetheless. What happens when you come up against a seasoned defense with a chip on its shoulder?
Don't worry, we won't be the ones hiding. But I'd be getting a little worried about your team's safety right about now if I were you.
Yes, Hoke allows eight arrests to occur in his short tenure, but he would really bring the hammer down on Twitter. Makes sense.
It's amazing how quickly Wolvie forgets about getting destroyed by unranked Mississippi State on the same day.
A Wolverine bringing up the past to cover up a disastrous present? Now I've seen everything.
And losing by a similar amount to Mississippi State is much, much, much worse. Or did you all block that out from your collective memory? Did it not count because you were "down"?
This thread would suggest the opposite.
Dantonio lets his players tweet after four straight victories, and Hoke lets his players commit felonies (eight arrests since taking the helm to Dantonio's 0). Breaking and entering is just kids being kids, but trash talk is reprehensible and proof that Dantonio is evil.
Stop equating the Big Ten with Michigan. Michigan is regressing. The Big Ten will be fine.
So, is Michigan still a "lock for the Legends division"?
Do you really believe that this year's Bama team, which is replacing 2/3 of its starters on defense, is better than last years? I mean, I guess you need excuses for why you lost, since it is Michigan and all...
If Boise "picked apart" MSU's defense, didn't UM just "pick apart" Alabama's?
You can avoid reality for a year, but it looks like the insane run of luck is over.
So is your conclusion that Michigan is "a lock to win the Legends" still in effect?
This is what happens when you play a real team. Your absurd run of luck is over. The delusion that you're a real football team is over. Welcome back to irrelevance.
HEISMAN
I'm laughing so hard right now. Yakety Sax does not do this Michigan team justice.
Jesus McArmpunt is making his case for the Heisman early, I see.
This is groundbreaking new conversation. I think my username fits here.
Stonum was on what, his seventh chance? That's not exactly iron fisted discipline. But I can appreciate your stance in defense of young college kids everywhere. I'm sure if this were a hypothetical MSU player (we'll just hypothetically call him "Rucker"), you would be taking the same noble and forgiving tone.