With the caliber of our attorney - I have to think the injunction was written in advance and in the hands of at least a dozen judges ready to execute. Though, it is technically a holiday - are courts open on Veterans Day?
We had no plans on downloading peacock in Chicago and refrained from a bad neighborhood bar experience - so we set up a tailgate on the lake front and streamed the Michigan Radio feed while smoking a pork shoulder in perfect weather. Almost felt like the golf course ;) Go Blue. I'll continue to refuse any downloading of anything the Notre Dame Broadcasting Company offers unless they finally join the B2G.
I had the same issue in the 90's - My credits would not transfer from a quarter based semester system so I had to retake 2 years worth of base LSA at WCC prior to transferring into Michigan. Painful.
It's a shame - I followed all of Seth's prognosis of NHG on the podcasts and was looking forward to getting him back on the field. Amazing how a hamstring injury can linger - must have been a tear. I never heard of the exact injury and thought it must have been an ACL/MCL to miss that kind of time. And yeah - we really could have used him.
We'll need the big fast and smart Gold/Foote/Hobson types back there if we are going to make a successful run at the Natty.
The lady made an unbelievable pork Ramen from homemade stock! I paired with a Kostritzer Schwarzbier. Heaven on earth on this blustery winter evening. If only the northern lights were in view…
There was PI and Holding all over the field in the first half - the refs didn’t start calling until the second half. Fox/Sponsors must’ve paid up…let em play = let em pay…and that push off that went against us…come on. I wish they would have panned over to Harbaugh to see the spit come out of his mouth.
Griese didn’t have the strongest arm but his game management, decision making, leadership and coolness under pressure went a hellof a long way. Don’t forget that run for a 1st down on MNF where he dislocated his throwing shoulder, so yeah that caught up with him for sure…
You forgot to mention the irony of an aging worker being forgotten for a much smaller salary. There are droves of experience out there that no one wants to pay for in favor of higher top dog salaries, low overhead.
I could see Bowman as the experienced Back up QB over a true Freshman. Hopefully JJ will get his snaps in against WMU and hopefully Rutgers/NW.
But as you mention, if the line isn't coming together - no reason to get the future young man in a dire situation - Morris vs. Minnesota, Peters vs. Wisconsin...
It's is reassuring to have Bowmans XP available in the Locker Room, yes, but moreover the Film Room and on the sideline!
Thank you for a realistic and sober summary of the state of the Harbaugh Union and Michigan Football in general. I've been presenting these very thoughts to family, friends and colleagues of the Maize and Blue without much agreement. They double down on why this happened the way it did and why we are here justifying this guy remain at the helm.
It's a very long story...one that maybe even starts with the loss to App State and the cleaning of the locker room post Carr, Rich Rods lack of focus in the Midwest and the Hoke rebuilding and Hoke re rebuilding and then Harbaugh re re rebuilding....
We are all frustrated, exhausted for B1G championships, quality wins, dominating runs, game changing plays on both sides of the ball. It's going to take a little while but I am a little more optimistic then most...
I disagree with you on one very important point, however.
George Russel will prove to have a much longer and successful F1 career than Tsunoda once he displaces Bottas in the Merc ;)
What years did Hobson, Gold, Steel, Jones make the field…Juniors? There is no patience for a 18-19 year old kid to go through 2 years of conditioning and learning a playbook - especially one that is changing as much as ours - on both sides of the ball and without proper student leadership. Entitlement has won out.
There was a reason Frosh weren’t allowed to play before the Marshall tragedy…the growth that occurs in these years, naturally and in the weight room is exponential. As well as football IQ and the physical development of the brain while the student athlete adjusts to new experiences, friends and hazards of the their new schedule and context.
This Offense has Tight Ends? They are neither speed nor space ;P
FWIW - I am for and played TE in HS. I also believe in the FB (RIP) and that Ben Mason should have had the ball on every down so he could leap over would be tacklers to the end zone.
Honestly though - with the athletes we’ve had since the Carr days - we could have run 1000 option type offenses and married RPO/Spread/R+S/ with older schemes like wishbone/pro set, heck even four horseman type of formations. A combination of size and speed. Can you imagine Charbonnet/Haskins/Evans/Mason all in the same set. With Eubanks and Bell as SE? FU Opposing Defense
Super difficult to believe that we have that much talent returning 'index' with 7 Athletes moving onto the NFL, and the rest of the above average attrition to Graduation and the dreaded Portal.
I also appreciate your POV, that’s what these forums are for, the sharing of our collective passion and zeal for Michigan sports.
Note: Even Tom Brady was benched in favor of Drew Henson in the Syracuse game. Neither QB transferred and both were eventually quite successful at UofM. One went on to be a pretty good NFL QB as well...not sure if you heard of him. But if you know his story and path, you might agree that it is ALL about work ethic, commitment, character and never quitting. That’s the message here.
So when we field a group of starters of 2* lower classmen against Wisconsin or equal, I will grant you a transfer waiver on your conviction...:)
Once again - I am not against transfers in wholesale. The point I am trying to make is that a ‘culture’ of transfer seems to be an easy way out rather than working through some difficult times for results. Harbaugh has sold the farm to reset the culture. I’m pretty sure that was not an easy move and he might even have a better chance to refresh and start over somewhere else...but he is committed to Michigan.
IF there are extreme cases that warrants a change than understood. And ultimately - if a player is miserable and doesnt want to be at Michigan for whatever reason, then it actually behooves the program for that athlete to leave. Regardless of sport. But making a commitment and leaving because of internal competition and meritocracy involves character assessments on all sides.
That’s a serious and indictment - I hope that coach was held responsible and immediately terminated for their actions. If there is something that ominous going on anywhere, then it must be exposed stopped immediately.
To be sure coaching accountability is paramount to the program. I would hope that the University has some kind of supervisory audit in place above and beyond the head coach to make sure something like this does not happen, and if it does it is reported immediately and those people are held immediately accountable. With program media (all practices are recorded) social media the way it is these days, it seems unlikely that something like this would go without record, notice or exposure.
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I absolutely agree with young men who might make the wrong move feeling trapped. Just not 25% (I’m making that number up - but it feels about right over the last couple years) of the roster????
I am not against transfers wholesale, in fact I am fundamentally for it. I AM against giving up in rough seas or following a trend by giving up because its easy. “Milton transferred, I am his quality of athlete and also lost my job, I should transfer too” (ironically, I get why Milton transferred, though I think he could have settled into a starting role with some more hard work - he also didn’t leave us much time to react a day before spring practice).
It’s a slippery slope, and that’s the very real concern here - where does it end? Who is next? Have we had this much attrition...ever? The last time I can remember this many athletes departing was Carr’s retirement - the infamous - ‘I’ll sign your transfer’ speech since you dont fit the new spread offense RR is bringing.
2020 was an anomaly. It was hard on everyone, harder for kids in school as students, even harder on student athletes in bubbles already separated from families and then non-athletic friends. It’s your teammates - 24/7. Not everyone is gonna click that long. Especially talented young athletes with probable egos. There is definitely going to be a reaction to that, probably globally. Maybe we’re seeing a little more than our fair share of it, especially how the B1G stuttered, and then how we played last year.
I guess what I’m ultimately saying here is that it is more than a little difficult to gain any ground in a program with a revolving door atmosphere. Whether it is culturally, accountability, performance based or total wins. Anyone knows that personnel is the greatest asset, business’ thrive and also fail on that notion - attrition is not our friend.
If we want to take on free agency, then clarify the rules please, instead of this free for all Wild West transfer when it suits you stuff. Also, and not least at Michigan - somewhere in here lives academics - or is that over? Thus, I find the ease of the transfer portal in its current format damaging not just to college football, but to schools traditions, academics and most importantly to the students themselves. It reinforces a culture of “too easy to fail so leave” vs. “earn your success to stay and thrive”.
This is ridiculous. I just have a real problem with the ease of transfer. Athletes need to be held accountable for their decisions. I get leaving early to get paid, I get leaving if buried on the depth chart as an upper classmen...but one and done starters has to stop. How will these kids learn commitment, pride, competitiveness with your teammates...how to rise above adversity? Can there just please be a rule that no one can enter the portal once spring football starts? So, post bowl game through spring practice. Done. Perhaps there is a limit of how many can enter? Based on percentage of scholarships? This is crazy...Chris Perry is the best example of gritting it out. He never regretted it until his 50th carry against MSU.
“The trend with southeast Michigan recruiting seems to be swinging back towards the heady days of the late Lloyd years, when every LaMarr Woodley or Brandon Graham was Michigan’s to lose.”
God willing...it only took another 20 years...fine, 15 but whose counting.
I recommend passively engaging in Formula 1. No one to really root for, interesting commentary, European landscape...try Netflix Drive to survive (season 3 pending) to get into the moment and current story lines. It can be a commitment if you get sucked into the free practices, qualifying and the race (3 full days). But it is fun if you have any interest at all in racing and technology.
Do you think this is because Harbaugh has lost his touch or is it partially at least, because he has surrendered to an offense that is out of his comfort zone and because of this also surrendered to QB coaches and recruiters built more to fir the new style of play?
Football, especially QB is grit and mental toughness, you cant teach that.
If a kid decides to transfer because they won't be the starter, well that is on them as much as it is on the program. Rudock was ridiculed for this very reason when he left Iowa - I remember reading a quote from a former team mate "I thought Jake had more fight in him". Well they saw it first hand when Jake fought them on the road!
As much as I was excited to see Dylan take over, his frame just wasn't there for the way he played in the B1G. Sacrificing your body I appreciate but you gotta take a hit. Shane knew this well and managed to avoid serious injury on his runs. That's why I feel they anointed Milton in the first place. Durability. Well that backfired too when he couldn't adapt to the touch and feel aspect of the game when under pressure or without the lead. In his own head kind of thing...
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Great vid - but why is it set to a bad 80's sit com intro song?...volume off please lol.
Go Blue!
Password is most definitely ‘Wh00aaN33lly’
Parsnips are delicious if prepared correctly, but not during a Covid dead period apparently…
Love it.
....and at 4pm eastern WTLF...
With the caliber of our attorney - I have to think the injunction was written in advance and in the hands of at least a dozen judges ready to execute. Though, it is technically a holiday - are courts open on Veterans Day?
I'm 52, what is a GIF?
Ditto!
I can't wait to hear Craig's thoughts :)
Exactly. I mean did OSU run this by their legal team? Because it is ON...
Interesting explosiveness graph at the end, but I hate story problems…Go Blue!
Interesting explosiveness graph at the end, but I hate story problems…Go Blue!
Interesting explosiveness graph at the end, but I hate story problems…Go Blue!
We had no plans on downloading peacock in Chicago and refrained from a bad neighborhood bar experience - so we set up a tailgate on the lake front and streamed the Michigan Radio feed while smoking a pork shoulder in perfect weather. Almost felt like the golf course ;) Go Blue. I'll continue to refuse any downloading of anything the Notre Dame Broadcasting Company offers unless they finally join the B2G.
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I had the same issue in the 90's - My credits would not transfer from a quarter based semester system so I had to retake 2 years worth of base LSA at WCC prior to transferring into Michigan. Painful.
It's a shame - I followed all of Seth's prognosis of NHG on the podcasts and was looking forward to getting him back on the field. Amazing how a hamstring injury can linger - must have been a tear. I never heard of the exact injury and thought it must have been an ACL/MCL to miss that kind of time. And yeah - we really could have used him.
We'll need the big fast and smart Gold/Foote/Hobson types back there if we are going to make a successful run at the Natty.
Well said all around - except for the drink thing.
Well said all around - except for the drink thing.
The lady made an unbelievable pork Ramen from homemade stock! I paired with a Kostritzer Schwarzbier. Heaven on earth on this blustery winter evening. If only the northern lights were in view…
Upvote just for the name and photo…
There was PI and Holding all over the field in the first half - the refs didn’t start calling until the second half. Fox/Sponsors must’ve paid up…let em play = let em pay…and that push off that went against us…come on. I wish they would have panned over to Harbaugh to see the spit come out of his mouth.
I thought it was Tyrone Wheatley, that kid is going to be good some day!
Griese didn’t have the strongest arm but his game management, decision making, leadership and coolness under pressure went a hellof a long way. Don’t forget that run for a 1st down on MNF where he dislocated his throwing shoulder, so yeah that caught up with him for sure…
Chunk runs. Surgical passing.
Stuff the run. Aiden/Mazi sack machines.
Love your analysis and descriptive metaphors.
You forgot to mention the irony of an aging worker being forgotten for a much smaller salary. There are droves of experience out there that no one wants to pay for in favor of higher top dog salaries, low overhead.
I could see Bowman as the experienced Back up QB over a true Freshman. Hopefully JJ will get his snaps in against WMU and hopefully Rutgers/NW.
But as you mention, if the line isn't coming together - no reason to get the future young man in a dire situation - Morris vs. Minnesota, Peters vs. Wisconsin...
It's is reassuring to have Bowmans XP available in the Locker Room, yes, but moreover the Film Room and on the sideline!
Thank you for a realistic and sober summary of the state of the Harbaugh Union and Michigan Football in general. I've been presenting these very thoughts to family, friends and colleagues of the Maize and Blue without much agreement. They double down on why this happened the way it did and why we are here justifying this guy remain at the helm.
It's a very long story...one that maybe even starts with the loss to App State and the cleaning of the locker room post Carr, Rich Rods lack of focus in the Midwest and the Hoke rebuilding and Hoke re rebuilding and then Harbaugh re re rebuilding....
We are all frustrated, exhausted for B1G championships, quality wins, dominating runs, game changing plays on both sides of the ball. It's going to take a little while but I am a little more optimistic then most...
I disagree with you on one very important point, however.
George Russel will prove to have a much longer and successful F1 career than Tsunoda once he displaces Bottas in the Merc ;)
Go Blue.
Yeah sorry, still not on board with the portal.
What years did Hobson, Gold, Steel, Jones make the field…Juniors? There is no patience for a 18-19 year old kid to go through 2 years of conditioning and learning a playbook - especially one that is changing as much as ours - on both sides of the ball and without proper student leadership. Entitlement has won out.
There was a reason Frosh weren’t allowed to play before the Marshall tragedy…the growth that occurs in these years, naturally and in the weight room is exponential. As well as football IQ and the physical development of the brain while the student athlete adjusts to new experiences, friends and hazards of the their new schedule and context.
Goodbye traditions and student athlete health.
$1, Bob. $1.
I also called Green Bay for the QB spot, after I called Jacksonville for the TE spot.
I also called them for the TE position...
Whiskey
This Offense has Tight Ends? They are neither speed nor space ;P
FWIW - I am for and played TE in HS. I also believe in the FB (RIP) and that Ben Mason should have had the ball on every down so he could leap over would be tacklers to the end zone.
Honestly though - with the athletes we’ve had since the Carr days - we could have run 1000 option type offenses and married RPO/Spread/R+S/ with older schemes like wishbone/pro set, heck even four horseman type of formations. A combination of size and speed. Can you imagine Charbonnet/Haskins/Evans/Mason all in the same set. With Eubanks and Bell as SE? FU Opposing Defense
Wait, we have Tight Ends in this Offense?
In other news - Michigan AD calls meeting to discuss joining the Ivy League, because...academics, history, football origins and stuff...;)
https://networks.h-net.org/node/20317/reviews/21408/putney-bernstein-fo…
Oof - I thought for a moment this read NG...lol
We need a Defensive Line on the odd shaped ball squad, do they have a Nose Guard too? :)
I want to be excited...what I don't want: "Tyler follows JJ to the portal" a year or two from now...
Super difficult to believe that we have that much talent returning 'index' with 7 Athletes moving onto the NFL, and the rest of the above average attrition to Graduation and the dreaded Portal.
Remember Derrick Green...
I also appreciate your POV, that’s what these forums are for, the sharing of our collective passion and zeal for Michigan sports.
Note: Even Tom Brady was benched in favor of Drew Henson in the Syracuse game. Neither QB transferred and both were eventually quite successful at UofM. One went on to be a pretty good NFL QB as well...not sure if you heard of him. But if you know his story and path, you might agree that it is ALL about work ethic, commitment, character and never quitting. That’s the message here.
So when we field a group of starters of 2* lower classmen against Wisconsin or equal, I will grant you a transfer waiver on your conviction...:)
GO BLUE!
Once again - I am not against transfers in wholesale. The point I am trying to make is that a ‘culture’ of transfer seems to be an easy way out rather than working through some difficult times for results. Harbaugh has sold the farm to reset the culture. I’m pretty sure that was not an easy move and he might even have a better chance to refresh and start over somewhere else...but he is committed to Michigan.
IF there are extreme cases that warrants a change than understood. And ultimately - if a player is miserable and doesnt want to be at Michigan for whatever reason, then it actually behooves the program for that athlete to leave. Regardless of sport. But making a commitment and leaving because of internal competition and meritocracy involves character assessments on all sides.
That’s a serious and indictment - I hope that coach was held responsible and immediately terminated for their actions. If there is something that ominous going on anywhere, then it must be exposed stopped immediately.
To be sure coaching accountability is paramount to the program. I would hope that the University has some kind of supervisory audit in place above and beyond the head coach to make sure something like this does not happen, and if it does it is reported immediately and those people are held immediately accountable. With program media (all practices are recorded) social media the way it is these days, it seems unlikely that something like this would go without record, notice or exposure.
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I absolutely agree with young men who might make the wrong move feeling trapped. Just not 25% (I’m making that number up - but it feels about right over the last couple years) of the roster????
I am not against transfers wholesale, in fact I am fundamentally for it. I AM against giving up in rough seas or following a trend by giving up because its easy. “Milton transferred, I am his quality of athlete and also lost my job, I should transfer too” (ironically, I get why Milton transferred, though I think he could have settled into a starting role with some more hard work - he also didn’t leave us much time to react a day before spring practice).
It’s a slippery slope, and that’s the very real concern here - where does it end? Who is next? Have we had this much attrition...ever? The last time I can remember this many athletes departing was Carr’s retirement - the infamous - ‘I’ll sign your transfer’ speech since you dont fit the new spread offense RR is bringing.
2020 was an anomaly. It was hard on everyone, harder for kids in school as students, even harder on student athletes in bubbles already separated from families and then non-athletic friends. It’s your teammates - 24/7. Not everyone is gonna click that long. Especially talented young athletes with probable egos. There is definitely going to be a reaction to that, probably globally. Maybe we’re seeing a little more than our fair share of it, especially how the B1G stuttered, and then how we played last year.
I guess what I’m ultimately saying here is that it is more than a little difficult to gain any ground in a program with a revolving door atmosphere. Whether it is culturally, accountability, performance based or total wins. Anyone knows that personnel is the greatest asset, business’ thrive and also fail on that notion - attrition is not our friend.
If we want to take on free agency, then clarify the rules please, instead of this free for all Wild West transfer when it suits you stuff. Also, and not least at Michigan - somewhere in here lives academics - or is that over? Thus, I find the ease of the transfer portal in its current format damaging not just to college football, but to schools traditions, academics and most importantly to the students themselves. It reinforces a culture of “too easy to fail so leave” vs. “earn your success to stay and thrive”.
This is ridiculous. I just have a real problem with the ease of transfer. Athletes need to be held accountable for their decisions. I get leaving early to get paid, I get leaving if buried on the depth chart as an upper classmen...but one and done starters has to stop. How will these kids learn commitment, pride, competitiveness with your teammates...how to rise above adversity? Can there just please be a rule that no one can enter the portal once spring football starts? So, post bowl game through spring practice. Done. Perhaps there is a limit of how many can enter? Based on percentage of scholarships? This is crazy...Chris Perry is the best example of gritting it out. He never regretted it until his 50th carry against MSU.
Damn Seth - not bad - but couldn’t you have tried something in FORTRAN or Pascal?
Sad for him - especially after last years season was cut short too.
Hoping he can play one last time in maize n blue!
“The trend with southeast Michigan recruiting seems to be swinging back towards the heady days of the late Lloyd years, when every LaMarr Woodley or Brandon Graham was Michigan’s to lose.”
God willing...it only took another 20 years...fine, 15 but whose counting.
Awesome. Hopefully not another two year transfer portal project.
I recommend passively engaging in Formula 1. No one to really root for, interesting commentary, European landscape...try Netflix Drive to survive (season 3 pending) to get into the moment and current story lines. It can be a commitment if you get sucked into the free practices, qualifying and the race (3 full days). But it is fun if you have any interest at all in racing and technology.
Do you think this is because Harbaugh has lost his touch or is it partially at least, because he has surrendered to an offense that is out of his comfort zone and because of this also surrendered to QB coaches and recruiters built more to fir the new style of play?
Football, especially QB is grit and mental toughness, you cant teach that.
If a kid decides to transfer because they won't be the starter, well that is on them as much as it is on the program. Rudock was ridiculed for this very reason when he left Iowa - I remember reading a quote from a former team mate "I thought Jake had more fight in him". Well they saw it first hand when Jake fought them on the road!
As much as I was excited to see Dylan take over, his frame just wasn't there for the way he played in the B1G. Sacrificing your body I appreciate but you gotta take a hit. Shane knew this well and managed to avoid serious injury on his runs. That's why I feel they anointed Milton in the first place. Durability. Well that backfired too when he couldn't adapt to the touch and feel aspect of the game when under pressure or without the lead. In his own head kind of thing...
My responses range from "never heard of 'em" to "Ohio is a four letter word"...
16 years ago you might have influenced his recruiting... ;)