Vincent Gray to...Safety?

Submitted by MaizeBlueA2 on November 24th, 2019 at 1:30 PM

I just rewatched the IU game and Vincent Gray took over Dax Hill's nickel safety role yesterday (at least for part of the game). 

He had a couple of good games early playing zone versus mid-major opponents but he was getting torched in B1G play.

I've been calling for him to move to safety to take over for J'Marick Woods. He looked good in the back where everything was in front of him. I don't think he's strong enough to be Jeremy Clark or fast enough to be even Channing Stribling. Would love to see him move back where he can play more zone and make an impact.

That said, our CB recruiting has been awful...so not sure we have much behind Gray if he moves to safety. But a Dax Hill/Vincent Gray safety combo sounds pretty good once Brad Hawkins graduates.

Gucci Mane

November 24th, 2019 at 1:36 PM ^

Don’t think we can afford to move him from corner. We absolutely need Ambry and anyone else next year. An injury, illness, or departure from Ambry and we are in big trouble. 

CFraser

November 24th, 2019 at 7:57 PM ^

My only concern would be any requirement for corticosteroids because that has a drastic effect on performance. Not as bad as dehydration/malnutrition and electrolyte disturbances from diarrhea but still no bueno.

The situation is somewhat unpredictable unless they figure out the causative agent which is rare unless it’s gluten or a common one. 

DrWolverine

November 24th, 2019 at 9:20 PM ^

We generally have a good understanding of ulcerative colitis, although there is not one 'causative agent' out there for it. Corticosteroids are not usually necessary for it except for maybe in the very beginning when it is first diagnosed and then only for flares after that, which with our newer medications are usually not common unless one has a severe case. I would guess he's not on any steroids right now and may never have been, although if he really lost as much weight as it sounds then he likely did get some when he was diagnosed while the other medications were kicking in. 

To the guy above you, diet does not have to be changed in ulcerative colitis. There is a little evidence for some specific diets but it's not great and most gastroenterologists don't push it unless they seem to be having IBS-type symptoms as well and the inflammation seems well-controlled. 

iMBlue2

November 24th, 2019 at 1:40 PM ^

He played nickel because Dax was starting safety...I would imagine that spot is cross trained and goes to whoever the next best DB is after the starting 4.

Blueroller

November 24th, 2019 at 1:41 PM ^

Gray was forced into the nickel because of the injury to Brad Hawkins. Gray will be the number one corner on the team next year if Ambry Thomas leaves for the NFL. No way can they move him to safety.

Gucci Mane

November 24th, 2019 at 1:51 PM ^

He has done enough to get drafted yes. If he wants to be a top 3 round pick he probably needs to come back. Hopefully Lavert is happy he came back and encouraged Ambry to do the same. We need him badly. 

OwenGoBlue

November 24th, 2019 at 1:49 PM ^

They can’t afford to move him and it’s not like he’s shown enough vs the run to be a safety full time.

I think he can absolutely be a Strib/Clark plus boundary corner type. Not saying he will be but way too early to count him out. 

Watching From Afar

November 24th, 2019 at 1:50 PM ^

There is a clear rotation of 6 DBs that the coaches are comfortable playing.

Hill, Thomas, and Gray at CB. Hill, Metellus, and Hawkins at Safety.They never run out all 6 at once. At most it has been 5. Hawkins was hurt so Gray moved into the 5th spot.

Watching From Afar

November 24th, 2019 at 3:34 PM ^

If Thomas stays, having a core of Thomas, Gray, Hill, and Hawkins will be ok for next year. They need another capable DB to step up though for the 5th spot. Turner, Johnson, or Perry.

After that it will be Gray, Hill, and then they desperately need 2/3 guys I mentioned earlier plus another. Morant is a Viper type but Paige seems capable.

Definitely need another true CB.

Mr Miggle

November 24th, 2019 at 2:04 PM ^

Nickel safety?

On any other team that would be called a nickel corner or a slot corner. Gray's biggest weakness has been in run support. That makes him a poor fit at safety. He could play the nickel if other CBs step up, but for now he's obviously needed at CB.

Blueroller

November 24th, 2019 at 2:21 PM ^

It'll be interesting to see if OSU attacks Gray the way they did Watson last year. There won't be as many opportunities because Michigan doesn't play man as often. But if I were them, and I saw Gray in press coverage with no help, that's where I'd go.

Go for two

November 24th, 2019 at 3:34 PM ^

Indiana put a man in motion and then ran the QB up the middle several times yesterday. They went away from that after halftime but were moving the ball with that play