mGrowOld

August 12th, 2020 at 4:49 PM ^

I would rather Michigan not play and be wrong than play and be wrong. 

But personally I don't think anyone is actually going to play except maybe the SEC for a game or two.

wolverine1987

August 13th, 2020 at 7:17 AM ^

From the CDC. Everyone can check them. And when they do they'll see that the risk for athletes and students is higher from the flu and car accidents than from Covid. That is a statistical fact. But the majority on this board, who usually at all times respect facts and using them to base decisions on, for the first time because of Covid, discount the facts that we know, in favor of anecdotes, speculation, and fear.

We know they are at lower risk, we know that schools can open, we know that the athletes can distance from at risk people, it's been done. The EPL just finished their season in England with no major spread or incident. 

But the board thinks we should speculate on what we don't know yet, and alone among any other decisions we make privately or in public policy, make Covid decisions on what if scenarios. And worse, they want to make the decisions for the athletes, against the will of those athletes. 

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

greatlakestate

August 13th, 2020 at 11:47 AM ^

Cases are surging among young people and now among children.  People 0-22 were mostly home in March-June; now they're not and they're getting sick.  Younger people are less likely to die of everything because they are healthier.  But that doesn't mean the risk is zero and it may not stay that low.  

It's a *novel* virus.

 

Detroit-Buckeye

August 13th, 2020 at 10:07 PM ^

I miss the days when we had chicken pox parties so all the kids would get infected at once. Now we live with a bubble wrap mentality. In its current incarnation, this is a weak virus, especially to the young. Where were all you Worried Walters every year during flu season, a virus that actually does kill young people? People brush off the flu like its no big deal because we are used to it, just like people seem to do about gun violence here in Detroit. 30% of the STAFF at our hospital sign the waiver and don't get a flu shot each year. Soon we will look back and shake our heads at how panicked we behaved and regret the devastation of the shut downs.

Kudos the conferences who play. Kudos to Harbaugh, the players and their families who fought to play. Sadly we have gutless men making decisons in the Big10. Valenti made fun of Harbaugh quote of Teddy Roosevelt but I have to give Khakis credit. It was a perfect quote, we do this “so that our place will not be among the cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

Well said coach.

LDNfan

August 12th, 2020 at 5:44 PM ^

I don't think that is the way to look at this. Football is non-essential and sanctioned by the university. And It has been shown that gyms are ideal environments for spread. Sweating, heavy breathing, etc. doesn't happen in classrooms. Which isn't to say that classrooms and campus are not risky but thats a different environment than sports training facilities. And its a communicable disease so for all the 'they are young people so they are not going to die' advocates out there that is shortsighted. The young men, most of them black, have friends and family members (as well as family members of friends) that certainly fall into higher risk categories. 

I do feel for the players. They obviously want to play and they work so hard to do so. I can't even imagine their disappointment.  The coaches..well they have a LOT on the lines and a clear agenda. Yes, some coaches have done their best to manage their teams and keep them safe. But others...I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for these guys to ever advocate shutting down their season no matter how bad things get. 

The southern schools are basically saying, once again, screw it wrt the potential risk to the health of their players and their families..ect. falls well below the money and the fans needs. Those areas were late on mask, social distancing and damn near everything else that could have helped the U.S. get this under control before the midnight hour. 

Seems like the country is pulling itself apart over this...North vs. South. Blue vs. Red...

DCGrad

August 12th, 2020 at 10:11 PM ^

Gyms have been open for 2 months in Maryland, and we’ve been fine with case counts.  It’s almost as if wearing masks and taking other precautions allows for normal activities to continue.  Not sure it’s possible with football, but other sports and activities can be reasonably accommodated. 

jmblue

August 13th, 2020 at 12:36 AM ^

Not only are the football players going to be on campus, but they will be under far less supervision - and have much less incentive to avoid contracting COVID - than they would be if the season were on.

I've yet to hear a rational explanation of how that's supposed to work out better.

WorldwideTJRob

August 12th, 2020 at 11:17 PM ^

I think the lawyers would get their way. The SEC, ACC, Big XII would be in a PR nightmare if a kid who unfortunately got gravely sick from this was denied compensation from the conference. It could also have an impact in recruiting... “mom don’t send your son to play in that conference, they don’t have his true well-being at heart! They only see him as a commodity.” This could back fire spectacularly on those conferences, that why I feel ultimately they all will postpone one the next few weeks. 

MgoHillbilly

August 12th, 2020 at 6:09 PM ^

I'll handle an occasional personal injury claim. The client is already injured by the time we get there. Weird to say you hope for large damages because it suggests you want the kids to be injured.  Should the conferences and schools be sued for exposing these kids to harm if and when it happens? Sure.

Alton

August 12th, 2020 at 5:01 PM ^

I have nothing against the people whom Mr. Mar euphemistically refers to as "plaintiff's lawyers."

I do, however, have something against a plaintiff's lawyer, or anybody else, who is "praying" that kids get sick or injured.  He is making a point, sure, and it's an interesting one.  But that quote is beyond repugnant.

 

rjc

August 12th, 2020 at 5:04 PM ^

Best take I've seen on the topic in the past 24 hours.  UM and the B1G should be commended for the leadership they've shown.  I hope they get the PR and long term recruiting bump they deserve for putting health and safety first.

mackbru

August 12th, 2020 at 7:45 PM ^

The point of the quote isn’t that the schools are inviting lawsuits; it’s that they’re inviting ones likely to succeed. And they’ll be likely to succeed because schools will have risked the health and welfare of student-athletes for the sake of money and football. If there weren’t so much money involved, they would even be trying to play. No other sports are. 

Detroit-Buckeye

August 14th, 2020 at 9:57 AM ^

By this attorney's logic the schools are going to be equally liable for any students who return to campus and get sick. College, glee club, football, it is all voluntary and students assume some risk. If the schools would be liable for football players getting sick then they would be liable for any student getting sick.

DoubleB

August 12th, 2020 at 7:19 PM ^

To get that bump you have to use it. You have to be willing to tell a recruit and his parents, "SEC / Big XII Coach X doesn't give a shit about you. You just saw that with the pandemic when politics and money took precedence over the basic safety of their players, etc. etc."

The problem is that I think most every coach out there believes they should be playing and won't do that.

The Maize Halo

August 12th, 2020 at 5:18 PM ^

I also have serious fear about some of these schools lying about positive COVID results so games can continue. It's that bad in spots. That's where the real money will be.

buddha

August 12th, 2020 at 5:57 PM ^

Maybe I’m being presumptuous, but haven’t we known legal liability  was going to be - at minimum - a reason for months? Financial liability, player and staff health and safety, general ethics about amateurism during a pandemic, relationships with city councils, epidemiology of exposure to non-athlete staff and students, etc. would all be factors in this decision-making calculus.
 

As fans, we latch onto the health and safety piece as the single throat to choke, and each offer our perspective for the “right” levels of risk tolerance. As leaders though, university administrators have to consider an ecosystem of variables, like those I mentioned...Certainly immunology and epidemiology are parts of that equation, but I don’t believe they are exhaustive considerations (nor is liability)...

trustBlue

August 13th, 2020 at 1:52 AM ^

Lawyers can't bring a case unless a player gets sick and is seriously injured (or dies) as a result.

Say what you want about lawyers, but lawyer don't determine whether or not a player gets sick or not.

If the health risks were really so inconsequential then there weren't be any concern about laywers or lawsuits. 

Bringing laywers into the equation simply shifts the risk of loss onto the schools, instead being borne 100% by the (amateur) players themselves.