question about playing DB

Submitted by philidor's legacy on September 30th, 2018 at 10:46 AM

Never played football. Question: when playing DB, is it taught to hold or grab or cause interference if you are beat on a play because the penalty is better than giving up a big play? Our guys seems to get caught interfering a lot. Last night vs NW, most seemed like the right call.  Just curious

IncrediblySTIFF

September 30th, 2018 at 10:48 AM ^

We were taught to prevent the receiver from catching the ball while not getting a penalty called.  Unfortunately what constitutes pi in one scenario will not be called in another, so you just try to get a feel for what you can get away with

snarling wolverine

September 30th, 2018 at 10:49 AM ^

Yes, conceding 10 or 15 yards is way better than giving up a TD.  If you've got no shot at breaking up the pass, interfere.

But also, some of this is just how we play.  You can get away with some marginal contact if you're looking for the ball.  It depends on the officiating crew though.

 

freelion

September 30th, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^

The way refs are these days, I think it's better to play physical and take the occasional PI call rather than give up big plays. If you play soft, refs will still call PI when you get more physical so you might as well start physical and accept the flags when you cross the imaginary line in the refs deranged head. It worked very well for MSU under Narduzzi and it has worked for us.

treetown

September 30th, 2018 at 11:10 AM ^

That is what seems to be a trend - play tight early and see what is being called, since most refs try to be consistent within a game. 

It definitely helps for a DB to be looking back at the ball when contact is being made - it gives credence to the notion that the contact is incidental and that the DB was playing for the ball. NOT looking back usually will draw a flag.

TVG_2.0

September 30th, 2018 at 11:21 AM ^

You always hold if you’re beat badly. Especially if you have no safety help up top. Problem is, our CB’s are being torched with regulatory this year. Which is odd since they were both really good as sophomores last year. 

J.

September 30th, 2018 at 11:32 AM ^

Michigan allowed 6.0 yards per pass play.  Thorson completed just over half of his pass attempts.  If this is getting “torched with regularity,” I’ll take more torching.

Michigan has started to play pass defense the way MSU has for ten years.  I don’t like it, because I think “interfere on every play, since they won’t call it every play” is borderline cheating, but it was effective for MSU and it’s been effective for Michigan.

charblue.

September 30th, 2018 at 2:14 PM ^

Michigan's defense is top 10 nationally in all categories. They give up 14.8 points a game which is among the best in the nation. Average yards allowed rushing and passing keeps dropping per game. What has changed, however, are the number of penalties and yardage marked off against  the Wolverines per game.

Michigan is averaging almost five more penalties called per game than were called against it last year per game. Nationally, Michigan ranks 118th among 130 college football teams in total penalties and calls against it per game. And it ranks 99th in opponent penalty calls per game.

So far, it has played two teams, Notre Dame and Northwestern, who are among the nation's best in this category as the least penalized teams in the country.

Northwestern ranks fifth in fewest penalties, 3.2 per game, almost 2 fewer than the 4.9  per game it was flagged for last year.  Interestingly, the Wildcats are called for 6 penalties on average per game on the road which was four more than the two they were called for yesterday while Michigan was flagged 11 times. Michigan averaged 6 penalties a game last year, that has risen by 3 per game this season, to more than 9 per game whether at home or on the road. 

In their two road games, the crews officiating Michigan and Notre Dame and Northwestern were from two different conferences, ACC and Big Ten. That difference alone had no bearing on the higher trending number of calls against Michigan in both contests.

It should also be noted that Michigan State, Ohio State, Maryland and Nebraska are among the nation's worst in all penalty categories, with Michigan topping both its rivals. In terms of penalty yardage, Michigan averaged 57.2 penalty yards a game. This year, the average is 84.3 with an 89.7 average during home games and 76 away. The rise in Michigan penalty yardage this year is nearly 30 yards a game. That is the equivalence of two major personal fouls more per game.   

But that number is somewhat offset by the 104.7 average yardage marked off over the the last three games including the 100 marked off yesterday against Northwestern which was flagged for 25 total in penalty yardage by comparison. So, Michigan was called for 11 penalties with 100 yards marked off, or almost 10 yards per call.

In looking at various penalty categories, it's hard to make any discernible generalizations about penalty trends other than noting that certain schools like Navy and Northwestern are annually among the least penalized football schools in the country. And officials apparently know this, and they officiate them differently. For example, Akron, which played Northwestern, is listed as the worst school in terms of penalties called against it per game. Last year, it averaged 6 penalties called per game, a number that rose to more than 10 per game  against Morgan State and Northwestern but then dropped to 6 when the Zips played Iowa State in their last game.

What is interesting, is that national semi-finalists Clemson and Alabama show no real change in the number or amount of yardage marked off against them this year than last year. They both average about 6 penalty calls per game, which is about the same as last year's average. In fact, 6 to 8 penalty calls per game is about normal for most teams.

The team with the nation's largest increase in yardage marked off against this season is UAB, which averaged 49 yards a year ago, and is now averaging 101 yards per game, or 52 yards more.

  

Michology 101

September 30th, 2018 at 11:58 AM ^

I was watching Inside Michigan Football this morning. They were talking about how Northwestern hadn't really thrown many slants this season, but chose to use that play a lot against Michigan.

Don Brown had our DBs make the adjustments at halftime. 

Though it seems teams are starting to realize that defending the slant is a real problem for the Michigan DBs.

I hope Don Brown starts to switch things up and take away the slant early in some games, especially since teams apparently feel that can use that play against Michigan.    

reshp1

September 30th, 2018 at 2:24 PM ^

Defending slants isn't necessarily a problem for our DBs, it's an inherent weakness in our scheme. There are adjustments to be made, but then our LBs can't be as aggressive against the run or pass rush, which is a hallmark of a D Brown system. It's probably something we're only going to be able to mitigate with some well disguised zone, not eliminate entirely without giving up what makes this defense great. 

turtleboy

September 30th, 2018 at 12:07 PM ^

Good coaches can teach dbs how to impede a receiver without getting caught, or drawing a flag. We used to be pretty good at it, preventing separation and throwing the receiver off just enough to make a play. Right now the play is quite a bit sloppier at times, although the coverage is still pretty good. It doesn't help that the refs throw flags on every damn play whether there's a penalty or not. 

tigerd

September 30th, 2018 at 4:26 PM ^

Our dbs do tend to get a little too grabby at times and not necessarily when they will be burned deep. Having played football and being the son of a coach that coached football for 40+ years, I never heard a single coach advise intentionally committing PI.  With that said, anybody notice that we got away with a pretty obvious PI penalty at one point in the game and when that happened I turned to a friend and said there will be a make-up call. Low and behold that was right before the phantom holding penalty on KH. Hate when refs do that.