Elias Rudolph set announcement date (July 3rd) and cancels his visit to OSU...
I believe it was noted in another thread that we only needed out first DE to commit to start the onslaught for that position.
Just connecting some dots here, but here is an article noting that Elias Rodolph tweeted last night that he has set his announcement date for July 3rd and also cancelled his OSU visit....
What I wouldn't give to see OSU rgo through a stretch like Michigan did under RichRod and Hoke.
What would it take to make that happen. Is there a coach that the buckeyes could hire that would make the fan base turn on him?
After we beat their ass this fall, Day will leave for the NFL and hopefully we'll get to set back and watch a dumpster fire burn
Is John Cooper still around ...?
Despite his troubles with Michigan and the Bowl games, Cooper had OSU as a perennial top 5 team throughout his tenure.
He did start to fade at the end - sort of similar to the late Carr era.
easy to forget that Tressel won his national championship with Cooper's players...
just as Carr won his with a lot of Moeller's players
Surely you can call some (most?) of those players Carr's as well since he probably played a large role in identifying and recruiting them to Michigan.
"Despite his troubles with Michigan and the Bowl games, Cooper had OSU as a perennial top 5 team throughout his tenure."
Which made his losses to Michigan that much sweeter...
Cooper had OSU as a perennial top 5 team throughout his tenure.
“Perennial top 5” is a pretty big exaggeration. Cooper was the OSU coach for 13 seasons. He finished the year in the AP top 5 twice and AP top 10 a total of three times. He also finished unranked 5 times. In his 13 seasons, they finished with 4 or more losses in 7 of them.
‘93 and then ‘95-‘98 were really good seasons for them, but aside from that he was pretty pedestrian.
If I recall, those season ending losses to Michigan impacted those final rankings greatly. In other words, top five going in and… not afterward.
I mean, regular season games are part of the ranking process. You’re either top 5 or you’re not. Three top 10 finishes in 13 seasons is not perennial top 5.
Again, they lost 4+ games in over half of his seasons. That’s not perennial top 5. That’s not even top 5 going into The Game level.
The talent that Cooper assembled with the exception of the QB was generally considered top 5. However, his lack of any top flight QBs during his entire tenure is what really handicapped his ability to win the big games, which were then exposed against the top competition at the end of each year.
Assembling what people consider top 5 talent is very different from actually being a perennial top 5 team (or within reach of being one).
Again, Cooper had a couple really good seasons. But the narrative that he was an elite coach that just couldn’t win the big game is a bit over exaggerated. As evident by finishing with 4+ losses in over half of his seasons at OSU.
Unless their recruiting takes a huge drop, their floor is much higher than our RichRod/Hoke years.
Yep, they'll have mega talent - ON PAPER. Their problem is coaching and especially their shit defense.
I read on CBS Sports awhile back that they've only had 2 losing seasons since the mid 1960s (late 1980s and 2011) which is the best in CF. In other words, expecting a RichRod - Hoke slide is probably wishing a bit too much.
Unless... OSU and Day part ways, and they hire their version of RichRod. Could happen. Behind OSU's streak of winning seasons is good coaching, which is where they've really succeeded. A misfired coaching hire like M had could change things.
Agree - they are do for a down turn. It didn’t happen to Michigan until it did! All teams go though losing stretches; where some teams with 3 losses think it’s the end of the world (as we know it).
He is 25-2 in the B10. He was 1 missed FG from probably winning a NC. I want to see them fail, but their floor is probably exactly where they are right now. Its our job to keep them there.
Exactly right. They'll be really solid every year going forward and it all comes down to the UM-OSU game - plain and simple.
We all know that this could very well be UM's most talented team in a long time in 2023 but - living in the Columbus area - I get the impression that this could also be Ryan Day's most talented team also. It's all going to come down to OSU's defense and if - A BIG IF - they can make a few stops in AA in November.
Would not be surprised to see UM, Georgia, OSU and possibly Alabama in the Playoffs this year......probably the best - and most loaded teams in CF
I dont see osu making the playoff with 2 losses this season, but thats just me.
Who do they lose to besides us for the 2nd loss?
Penn Shtate. Or maybe ND? I think PSU is not likely to lose to UM and OSU this year. i can only hope their new great QB is as shitty as their last 5.
Yeah, I keep hearing all of the PSU hype and how they have a legit chance against both UM and OSU this year but I need to see it first
Don't forget about our ace in the hole though - Frames Janklin.
Huh, what about their QB performing high level like you know.. the last zillion.
Not only that, the last time they had back-to-back losing seasons was in 1922, 1923, and 1924. The only other time they had two losing seasons in a row was 1897-98.
[We had back-to-back losing seasons only in 2008-09, 1962-63, 1958-59, and 1881 to 1883 (when we went 0-3, 0-0, and 2-3), which is pretty good but obviously not as good.]
But as the commercials say, past performance is no guarantee of future results. They are long overdue for a long, rough patch.
WRONG !!! Ohio St last 2 OFFICIAL l "back to back" losing seasons are 2010 (0-1) 2011 6-7
Their shit defense that was #15 in the country last year?
Their defense is not great... but lets not massively exaggerate how bad they are either.
If Rich Rodriguez were coaching there with their recruiting base. They would not be that bad. They'd have some serious problems on defense no doubt. But they'd score a lot. And Rita's nacho dip would give players that fourth quarter energy they need.
Their recent soft-butter trench play in the 4th quarter is reminiscent of the actual Barwis Effect
Yeah, talent isn't everything (Texas and Texas A&M, for example, have been top-end recruiting teams for some time and have little high-level success to show for it), but what happened to UM under RR and Hoke would be pretty hard to pull off at OSU. The more realistic scenario would be OSU takes a small step back into the 10-ish win range where they look pretty good against mediocre teams but aren't heads-and-shoulders better than teams like UM, PSU, USC, etc. in the conference like they were for a long time under Meyer. And then they wind up firing Day, reaching for another guy to "fix" the team, that doesn't really raise the ceiling, and they settle into a top-15 team instead of a top-5 one and Columbus loses its mind for a while.
The more realistic scenario would be OSU takes a small step back into the 10-ish win range where they look pretty good against mediocre teams but aren't heads-and-shoulders better than teams like UM, PSU, USC, etc. in the conference
Is this not just the late Carr era at Michigan?
I'd actually like to watch OSU crumble under Day with another loss to us this year and a Purdue/Iowa type surprise loss, followed by a Cooper-esque existence. We get 15+ more years of Harbaugh CFP seasons and he retires as an extremely eccentric old man. No Woody Hayes type events, but everyone is worried about something happening. Everyone is afraid to say anything because they don't want to jinx the string of National Championships. (Don't ruin this for me.)
Meanwhile Day is forced to walk around in bucknut chains a la ghost of Christmas past.
Their back is against the wall right now, more than any time since Moeller went 4-0 vs them... and the game in November, nobody can take it even a hair lighter here.
And if we assume we beat them, and assuming Day heads to NFL, both are big assumptions...it'd be fascinating to see who they'd hire that they think could beat us, and the style.
That person would come in at the perfect time theoretically as we will likely be graduating/NFLing a TON of experienced talent and quite possibly turning over a lot of coaching as well so it would be nice if they could go ahead and screw up that hire to help.
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Moeller went 3-1-1 against Ohio State. Stupid tie.
I firmly believe Jim Harbaugh will die on the football field, no retirement for this man.
I agree with you and Jim has said that’s his goal 100 times. That said, I could see that being in a Jack Harbaugh role for Jay down the road - be around the team, coach a little bit, occasionally remind your son about the benefits of various run plays with pulling guards.
that last walk off the field....
watch a dumpster fire burn
or watch the toilet bowl explode
eventually, OSU will make a bad coaching hire. Hopefully, in my lifetime. People forget the many dark years at Bama before Saban.
Who could forget the glory days of Mike Price and Mike Shula
They are extremely spoiled as a fan base. At least Bama has done it all under one coach but OSU has hired like three different coaches at this point and kept it mostly rolling. Hopefully there are some cracks in the Ryan Day machine though!
It all comes down to OSU's defense - as usual. Their offenses under Day has been top 3 or 4. On the other hand, their defenses have been high schoolish.
Bama went through an NCAA probation period - which Shula needed to clean up.
For some reason, I don’t see the NCAA placing the Bucks on probation. And, I can’t even recall the last time I heard the words NCAA and probation used in a sentence which applied to a current team.
Hasn't happened yet in my lifetime, but absent of hiring Vrabel, it finally might. One could argue Cooper was a bad hire, but I wouldn't, because we were just better at the time. They even canned Bruce who I didn't think was a bad hire. But, this time, it might be different, because, if we beat them, and Day leaves/fired, he won't have a bad record at all, and who knows, maybe nobody worthy wants to follow the guy who got fired at eg 12-2. And even if Vrabel did take job, his approach is so different from Day that the changeover risk is high.
Day has won a higher percentage of his games at OSU (.878) than any of their other previous coaches besides Urban Meyer (.901).
Still a modest sample size (51 games) but probably enough to know what they've got. IMHO what they've got is an excellent head coach who, if he loses in Ann Arbor this coming fall, will have a Michigan problem. We're in his head and if we beat them again we're buying rather than renting that real estate.
If he leaves after that, which I'm actually dubious of despite increasing fan/alum/booster pressure, my bet is that they throw $10M+ per year at Meyer to come back and 'right the ship' (vs. Michigan). And he'll probably accept the job...and then we'll have another battle on our hands.
Vrabel is the one that I absolutely do not want as the OSU HC if Day leaves. He would change the whole mindset of the OSU program. He is one tough SOB
It is surprising how hard it is to be successful. I thought at one time that Texas, USC, Florida, and others I can't think of, would be power houses for a while, based on talent base to work with, and recruit from, and success. All have struggled to keep their success. When people were getting on Harbaugh for his failure to win the BIG and against OSU, I knew of so many fan bases that thought the same thing and ended with horrible replacements and went from 10-2 to 5-7.
Indeed it is that difficult, even with a relative definition of success depending on the school and it's historical ceiling. Really good coaches sometimes fail when all of the seemingly relevant factors are aligned.
Personally I think the elusive idea of 'fit' is crucial; when we hired RichRod it was pretty clear to me that he was a poor fit in a number of ways. In hindsight it seems pretty obvious but at the time it was not obvious to many observers. It's actually pretty rare that a particular head coach is excellent at every stop--Urban Meyer is an example of that (not counting the NFL of course).
The semi-plausible way I could see this happening in the near future is if Day leaves (perhaps rage/panic fired after another Michigan loss, but more likely bolting for the NFL to escape the pressure) and they hire Hartline. They're obsessed with Hartline, and he's a good position coach, but he'd be way out of his depth as head coach.