The Dmac story?

Submitted by GhostofJermain… on November 15th, 2020 at 7:46 AM

Was able to get to AA on Friday and ran into a few people close to the team.  Wanted to share what I was told, one of these guys played with coach in the mid 80's, and the other is the husband of one of the regents.  First and foremost, they both said unless coach takes another job he will not get fired, but that coaching changes were most likely coming to the staff.  They also said without hesitation that coach was close to a contract extension last winter, but the situation took a back seat to covid.  

On Dmac - He was neck and neck with JM and doing very well.  DM pulled himself out of practice and told the coaches he felt sick, although he didn't look sick, and was having a great week of practice.  Apparently this ticked off coach and showed "a sign of weakness".  Seemingly coach then tried to motivate DM to get after it and continue to practice and workout with his team.  When DM told his parents about the way coach was handling him feeling sick they got extremely upset.  As a family they decided to sleep on it for that weekend, the following Monday Mr. and Mrs. Mcc let the coaches know that DM was going to finish his scholastic year and transfer.  It sounds like DM might go play for his father next season, while also looking at Nebraska, and West Coast schools.  

The only thing I will add to this story is that 100% DM was QB1 at the practice I was able to watch last winter.  I was puzzled when all the smoke started to come out about JM, and how he won the job.  I do not believe this was the case any longer. 

The program seems fractured.  In another story, JH has lost almost all the support from previous players from the Detroit area.  Almost all of them have been very vocal with their peers, high school coaches, and circle that JH is a dictator who plays favorites.  I'm definitely missing some guys on this list but here are a few (LockDownLew, Dawson, Hill sr, Ambry, Bellville coach, DPJ, and others). in fact if you look at their tweets in the past 2 weeks, they have all taken shots at coach.

Need to hold onto our recruits for next year, sign some more, and beat Rutger. 

Cheers  

G. Gulo of the Dale

November 15th, 2020 at 11:42 AM ^

This isn't meant to be a defense of Harbaugh, but how is "building a country club culture" the takeaway of this post?  Every complaint about Harbaugh before he arrived was that he wore out his welcome because he was too demanding, even when his teams began having success.  And then in this post in particular, Harbaugh has (apparently) run off a top recruit and presumed starting QB because he insisted that DM play through feeling sick and not show signs of weakness.  

Maybe you're referring to some inside information that you have, but the most apparent signs point to Harbaugh being stubborn and inflexible, not fostering a "country club" mentality.

Jordan2323

November 15th, 2020 at 9:49 AM ^

What is the difference, if true, between this and the Morris fiasco with Hoke? Due to the volatility of COVID-19, it seems much worse to me. The only difference is it happened behind closed doors and they are covering it up for now. Once Dylan leaves campus, it may be a different story. 

RoxyMtnHiM

November 15th, 2020 at 10:04 AM ^

One thing appears obvious:

Whatever happened at QB was NOT the best player winning the starting job. 

It looks like the worst player won the starting job.

nowicki2005

November 15th, 2020 at 10:19 AM ^

I've read a couple of comments where people are saying Jim needs to change and correct this....seriously? Does he know more about football than me? Yes. Is he a great football mind? No. L

He comes from the Bo era of win because we are michigan. He was a mediocre QB who was basically just tough, a guy who played hard and was lucky to be on a loaded michigan team. 

 

He has never outcoached another coach. Coaches now are just flat out better coaches than back in the day and Jim is old school. You listen to other coaches talk strategy or there was that clip of Sean McVey remembering previous lays, Jim can't do that. They have to strategically be innovative as well as mentoring a different era of kids. Jim doesn't fit the bill on any of these levels. Honestly, Jim is fit to coach small town high school football in the middle of nowhere where he can still run the veer and would still run into teams that have moved to the spread and would crush his team.

Aspyr

November 15th, 2020 at 10:42 AM ^

The issues between Harbaugh and the McCaffrey family go back to at least last year when Dylan was hurt. It most likely started though when they brought Shea in. I'm not happy with how Harbaugh has been coaching this team but let's not make Dylan a martyr here. He did quit on the team and left us with two very inexperienced QBs.

Harbaugh likes players that are like him - he was not the most talented physically but he was tough as nails. Meritocracy and "Those that stay will be champions" used to be the mantra around here now we are pining for a QB1 that quit the team and dumping on the QB2 that remained. 

sharklover

November 15th, 2020 at 10:52 AM ^

I'm a little bit incredulous at the number of comments that indicate that people bought into the hype about Milton. When the staff started talking him up, it sounded like clear and obvious spin to me from day one. I think the authors of this blog might be slightly to blame, as they just repeated the message coming from the program without applying a critical eye. Come on people, don't take press releases at face value. I'm tempted to inject politics into this discussion, as there is a clear and obvious corollary. 

Aspyr

November 15th, 2020 at 11:18 AM ^

Many here obviously share your opinion. Why don't you just say it? Here I will do it for you -> You think that Harbaugh went with Milton because of his race instead of his effort and ability and then that drove McCaffrey away... Affirmative action... How about Milton was the starter because McCaffrey quit the team. For reasons see the OP.

SalvatoreQuattro

November 15th, 2020 at 10:59 AM ^

With JH floundering this will be the third straight coach who will have failed at Michigan. Fans should ask themselves if it is bad luck or whether institutionally the program isn’t designed to compete in modern college football at the highest level.

erald01

November 15th, 2020 at 11:25 AM ^

Been saying this for years, this is not just a JH issue. This is an administration and institutional issue.  Michigan is comfortable with good/okay sports outcomes as long as there are no “scandals”. No matter which coach comes here we will never reach the next level unless the whole school and boosters get behind the whole mentality win at all cost.

Sultans17

November 15th, 2020 at 11:22 AM ^

While I don't doubt the sources of the insider and semi-insider information, I think we're all working backwards here and assigning causality to the source of our angst. Michigan is losing and most of us want Harbaugh gone so we're going to view every story though that lens. Did Harbaugh want Dylan back out there when he felt sick? I suspect so. Is that the same as ignoring an obviously concussed  Shane Morris staggering around the  field?  Of course not.  There's unhappy players in every locker room and not shockingly there's more when the team loses. Take any 3 "insiders"  in any situation and you will get 3 different narratives. I believe that's the point of the classic film Rashomon. But at this point there's only one narrative that anyone on this board wants to hear. 

G. Gulo of the Dale

November 15th, 2020 at 11:52 AM ^

One of the mounting problems, as I see it, is that Harbaugh seems to connect with, and get a lot out of, a number of underrecruited players.  With the exception of his first couple of years here, many of the more highly recruited players seem to be tuning him out, transferring, etc. 

In the end, we are caught between doing what Wisconsin does (overcoming talent deficits through a coherent system and culture) and what OSU does (accumulating dozens of nice shiny objects (and putting them in positions to use their talent)).  We do neither of these things, nor have we achieved a happy hybrid of the two. 

Blue Me

November 15th, 2020 at 11:32 AM ^

If Warde doesn't want to eat the last year of Harbaugh's contract this would seem to offer the legal cover he'd need:

"DM pulled himself out of practice and told the coaches he felt sick, although he didn't look sick, and was having a great week of practice.  Apparently this ticked off coach and showed "a sign of weakness".  Seemingly coach then tried to motivate DM to get after it and continue to practice and workout with his team."

He should pull Harbaugh aside and ask him if he'd like that to be his legacy at UM. This clearly smacks of Hoke and Durkin to me.

Greg McMurtry

November 15th, 2020 at 3:29 PM ^

What is “didn’t look sick?” I’ve tried to play sports when sick, you’re good for a quarter of so, then you’re drained and it saps your energy. You wouldn’t know I was sick unless I told you. Really dumb move by the coaching staff, if true.

Especially with Covid around.

Cope

November 15th, 2020 at 1:14 PM ^

The problem with all of this, if true, is it completely out of touch leadership. We aren’t living in some day when “tough it out,” never calling in sick, speaking louder than others in the huddle, and forcing kids to practice when injured or sick is valued. That was the generation Harbaugh grew up in, not this one. 
 

In this one, you have to be flexible with kids who expect better and different treatment from the 1970s to lead them. Because they are the ones actually being led and they won’t let you unless you treat them with the respect expected in this generation. 

uminks

November 15th, 2020 at 1:37 PM ^

If Harbaugh does not leave or gets fired, then the odds are he will be signed to a new 5 year contract before the start of next season. My guess is that Harbaugh will get a new contract at the end of the season, unless he jumps to the NFL, which is our only hope for a new coach. I'm sure Harbaugh will get the team back to 8 to 9 win seasons by 2022. But we will never beat OSU, MSU will beat us once every 3 years and we will lose games every other season to WI and PSU. Looks like we are destine to be stuck at 3rd or 4th place in the east. I don't think football is as important to the university leaders as it once was.

LabattsBleu

November 15th, 2020 at 2:37 PM ^

I do seem to recall stories about players being a little upset about Shea starting over DM last year, as DM was better in practices, but Shea got the starts... does anyone else remember that?

As for Michigan's performance standards - i think most of the level headed folks here saw Harbaugh as the next Ferentz... solid coach, good ambassador for the University.

This was based on being able to get you a consistent 8-10 wins per season though...

I think the calculus changes once you start getting embarrassed by programs you ought to be able to at least be competitive with.....

Its not ALL about running a clean program, having good kids and a good student/athlete balance, otherwise Hoke would still be coaching.

Harbaugh is something like 10-9 in his last 19 games. That's not a blip; that's a trend.

bluegary

November 15th, 2020 at 3:42 PM ^

If he can’t recruit the state of Michigan then he needs to go. He will never turn this thing around without getting in state kids. 

readyourguard

November 15th, 2020 at 3:45 PM ^

But...but...but...the insider reported that, according to HIS source, the QB competition wasn't a competition at all.

This is what happens when you name a starter based on shorts & t-shirt practices against the worst secondary on college football.

nickelsarcade

November 16th, 2020 at 1:01 PM ^

All of this seems right. I previously had heard similar things about Harbaugh losing support of portions of the locker room. But University is writ large happy with him, and Warde looks up to Harbaugh. Schlissel's only real priority is University's academic standing; football is well and good but think he prioritizes running a clean program that is generally successful (if not Championship caliber) over getting to OSU/Clemson/Bama levels but also incurring the attendant scandals/misbehavior. 

I think a lot of the board has gone to extreme interpretations about what is happening with Jim but ignoring the more obvious ones. College and Pro are extremely different. Players just execute much better in the NFL. Jim got used to that level in the NFL, and in his first few years at the U, had a bevy of senior players who could execute. Jedd Fisch's departure, and Speight's injury in Season 3, really messed it all up. JOK was incapable of executing, and Harbaugh's worst tendency--conservatism--seemed prudent. But with these younger classes, Harbaugh has expected them to consistently execute at a professional level that they frankly aren't capable of yet. And so he doesn't mind putting them in 3rd and 6 situations because in the big show you expect to convert a decent share of those. But it backfires here time and time again, and Jim really doesn't have anything else to fall back on. While Gattis has some interesting concepts, Mike Locklsey was the real brains behind the show at Alabama. So Gattis isn't there yet, Jim isn't prepared to coach youngsters, and Don Brown is too stubborn to learn something new. Add in OSU's ascension and you get to where we are -- ready to get destroyed by Rutgers!

jdib

November 16th, 2020 at 7:33 PM ^

Well the "University" needs to have their collective heads checked if they are okay with one person, Michigan man or not, which in my opinion makes it worse, tarnishing their program's legacy by alienating the youth that you are supposed to be there to bring values as well as  make them feel like they have the support they need to succeed in a fair competition.  

HollywoodHokeHogan

November 18th, 2020 at 7:31 PM ^

So when exactly was this practice?  Because Harbaugh trying to force some kid who feels sick to practice during a pandemic is pretty much full-Hoke “let’s needlessly risk some health because I’m a fucking idiot” stuff.

AlbanyBlue

November 18th, 2020 at 9:44 PM ^

Being too demanding in practice is something I have speculated about here for the last couple years. It partially explains the mass exodus, and it may explain the rash of injuries Michigan generally has through the season. Player X gets a minor ding, feels he has to play through it to be tough enough to see the field, and boom, gets injured for real.

Sad that "enthusiasm unknown to mankind" has devolved into "toughness manbawl rawr". Or maybe it's always meant the same thing.

I mean, we made fun of Scott Frost for this shit and we still do.

My Name is LEGIONS

November 19th, 2020 at 9:15 AM ^

So the kid waited three years to start... and gets irked by the coach so much that he leaves team...  This was a monumental gaffe by Harbaugh...   getting kids to come from west coast and during the covid scare, he should have backed off here... bit him in ass... my gosh this is huge... surprised the media heads haven't speculated about it.