23 Clemson players and 5 Clemson staffers tested positive for coronavirus.
https://twitter.com/gmraynor/status/1274097433862123521
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FYI: A physician recently said we likely won't know the true damage from coronavirus for many decades. She pointed to how the lungs of some people who have "recovered" showed (prevalent) scarring which may make them susceptible to other illnesses. These individuals may prove to have shorter life expectancies in the long run. She speculated that some would need lung transplants in the future.
“BUT IT’S JUST THE FLU!”
Sincerely,
Morons
Nobody is saying that, which is why the story is newsworthy
Edit: good lord y’all are triggered so easily
I’m just beating the usual contingent of morons on here to the punch.
You’re the far left moron who argues with the far right morons.
Yeah, I’m far left in that I believe in things like listening to medical science over Donald Trump and that wearing masks is a simple way to help prevent the spread of the virus.
Such radical positions to take, I know.
It's your intolerant behavior that gives you away
You white leftists need to get on your knees and apologize for your privilege. A new stupidity brought to you by the left. The scientists that believe in 1000 genders.
The fucking irony, it drips.
Forget far left/right. Common freaking sense says to social distance, wear a mask, and hunker down till a vaccine. Only the naive ignore doctor warnings.
Hunker down for a year to possibly infinity is common sense?
It's not and neither is believing doctors unequivocally. Doctors are some of the dumbest extremely smart people I know.
Bet I seen 5 different predictions/stories on this for every 10 doctors. Absolutely been zero consensus between the WHO, CDC, English, Italian, American and Chinese scientists. That's thing has people upset is the different reports seem to come out every other day or so. This one here is no different just another opinion in a story filled with them
I can find stories that contradict nearly every comment made in here. John Hopkins doctors saying mask help no one, the studies are incredibly small they use to claim masks do anything, doctors in Italy saying viral load so small now almost non existent, German doctors who called this biggest false alarm in history, stories from doctors working on it saying this is LESS deadly as the flu for 24 and under. Even read multiple doctors say all these damaged lungs in future is more fear mongering than anything else as no way to make long range predictions just a few months into this. Zero studies or evidence prove that's the casetcase. Listened to at least a dozen top podcasts claiming totally different story over last month
This story has been so corrupted by politics it's sad. The agenda from the left last week was so laughable and embarrassing when the most cautious governors completely contradicted their message by saying protesting was more important as if the virus picks and chooses who it spreads. And before anyone tries saying something, I'm someone who's voted democrat every election. Whole thing is laughable to act like one side is ahead of the other with right decisions made when you take into account entire big picture.
how dare you bring common sense into a political discussion. im pretty sure people mysteriously disappear for such things
A man determined to find a certain outcome, armed with the internet and a total blindness about what constitutes objectively referenced facts, can definitely find what he's already looking for online provided by somebody who wants to see the same reality he does.
You'll get no disagreement from anyone on that.
But this is going to play out like it's played out all along: the virus spreading is the truth and people back down when that truth is staring them in the face.
No amount of twisting and contorting that truth or deep belief in how we have to get America moving again is going to be all the compelling to people who are truly and justifiably fearful.
The one proven immunity regarding this virus: the virus itself is totally immune to whatever BS people concoct about it.
Seriously Stop. Vaccines are being shipped in large quantities this year. Next spring everyone will have access to one. So 6-9 months.
Can you point me to a paper citing it's effectiveness?
That makes you a dick as opposed to an asshole. Congratulations
Well... I wouldn’t say “nobody,” is saying that.
I live close enough to Orange County to know that "nobody" is laughably inaccurate.
Nobody is saying that? Really? Because I see people post things like that in comment sections and message boards on a daily basis. A whole lot of people are saying that as far as I can tell. Now they may not be reasonable people, but there are a whole ton of unreasonable people out there, including people that post regularly on this blog.
Actually, somebody said exactly that to me today. Someone else told my elderly inlaws that yesterday. So, I can verify that at least 2 people are saying that.
Thanks China
Special agent utah, make sure to do your repenting and virtue signaling today. Maybe you can post on IG about how much you love Black people and are not one of those terrible white racists we have running around.
Actually, isn't Special Agent Utah the person who came up with the idea of capitalizing Black? That right there is gonna solve a few issues. Reminds me of the line "I think that this situation absolutely requires a futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part." Special Agent Utah is the man for the job.
'A' physician pointed out how 'some' people showed scarring. They 'may' be susceptible to other illnesses. They 'may' prove to have shorter life expectancy. She 'speculated' they will need lung transplants.
Enlightening.
So basically 28 people had corona and didnt even notice it, and the OP attached wild speculation from one person to try and make a point.
No, it said over half were asymptomatic, so not all 28. It did, however, say 0 hospitalizations.
Is testing readily available is SC? They must not have been sick enough to suspect corona and go get a test, right? That's fair to point out they werent completely asymptomatic, though.
It's interesting to me how many positive tests there are. I actually interpret it as encouraging that so many people are testing positive and arent getting seriously sick. It looks like the actual mortality rate may drop even more.
So you’re saying, based off these test results, the mortality rate for 18-22 year old college athletes, which is already near zero, will drop even more? Wow! Stop the presses!
It’s a good thing none of these carriers will ever interact with people in higher risk categories.
It stands to reason if all these athletes are facing mandatory testing and coming up positive, then there are a lot of people in other demographics who have the virus and arent getting tested.
Also, am I talking to you? Half these posts on this forum are yours, and theyre just aimless emotional talking points. Youre even more triggered than usual.
I simply was stating the details of the article as they are in contradiction to what you said. No hospitalizations supports your larger point, but there's still no reason to state all cases were asymptomatic when apparently they weren't.
I understand. I said it was fair of you to point that out that distinction. +1
Serious question. Why is the “actual mortality rate,” important to you (and many others)? Does it really matter if the mortality rate is 5% or if its .5% if the same result is 200k deaths in the US alone?
Like... can we at least all agree that an infectious virus that has already killed over a hundred thousand people in the US is something we should be trying to limit the spread of? So it’s .5% for example. If 50% of the population ends up getting it, that’s still over 800k deaths. Say it’s .05% mortality rate. That’s still 80k deaths in less than 6 months.
At the end of the day, this isn’t about statistics. It’s about people’s lives. The “actual mortality rate,” is trivial. We’re still looking at something that has killed 121k people to date with both the death total and confirmed cases continuing to rise. It’s not unrealistic to look back at this and see that 150k people died from this in a ~6 month period.
I just don’t get why people are so hung up on the statistics behind it.
Edit: fixed my poor decimal math
Your math is wrong. .5% would be over 800,000. .05% would be 80,000.
But to your point, We all want to limit the spread. I wear a mask in public and distance when possible. Its just where you draw the line between unemployment, health of staying inside, childcare, quality of life, etc. You also have to take into account that the virus, imo, would require martial law to actually contain at this point. Knowing the actual mortality rate is an important piece in weighing pros and cons.
It's going to just flare up again and again. Thats why Im very against lockdowns in areas where hospitals are not overwhelmed.
Damn decimal math. Always was a weakness. Guess that’s why I was a kinesiology major.
Point still remains, the mortality rate just seems trivial at this point based on the fact that the number of deaths is over 120k right now. I don’t see how whether the mortality rate is listed at 5% or .5% makes a real difference here. At the end of the day it’s still a highly contagious virus that we don’t have a vaccine for at this time and we still really don’t know a whole lot about. And that’s before we get into the reported long term complications it can cause. Again, the “actual mortality rate” just seems trivial when we’re looking at over 100k deaths in the US alone and hundreds of thousands (if not millions) who are impacted by the long-term effects.
I respect your points. I do have a problem with your 'doing the best we can to contain the disease' phrase. Could you actually define this?
I doubt you believe we should apply the policy that no one leaves home and groceries should be delivered and sanitized. That would be everything, right?
It's completely possible we agree on policy but disagree on talking points. Ive been noticing the trend of people arguing with each other who ultimately agree on policy lol
"It's completely possible we agree on policy but disagree on talking points." Upvote.
I encounter much the same on this and other issues. It would defuse a lot of unnecessary and draining non-versation to start from the question of preferred policy, then delve into reasons (or lack of) as warranted.
Unfortunately, most message board topics start from a talking point by nature.
Your math is off by an order of magnitude FYI. And the simple answer is the IFR informs policy. The response to a disease with X R0 and Y IFR should be different than a disease with A R0 and B IFR.
its important because you have two extremist camps that have to prove the other will cause the end of the world at any cost ....manipulating statistics is yet another weapon in the arsenal.
You know else is fascinating?
Medical research has shown that people who do the ‘air quotes’ thing, 5 times or more in a single paragraph, are 95.26% likely to be a complete asshole.
Huh, imagine that.
Did you make up the "28 people had corona and didn't even notice it" thing to make a point about the OP trying to make a point?
Good thing none of those 23 players will interact with anyone who may be more at risk or immunocompromised! /s
(Beyond their personal lives, I just thought of Iowa’s football stadium adjacent to a children’s hospital...how would those families feel with even a 20k gathering happening next door?)
Good thing none of those 28 players will interact with anyone who may be more at risk or immunocompromised! /s
(Beyond their personal lives, I just thought of Iowa’s football stadium adjacent to a children’s hospital...how would those families feel with even a 20k gathering happening next door?)
Michigan only had 2 of 221 athletes across multiple sports test positive.
That’s before they start practicing and other students come back. The only way sports happen is if the country just decides they don’t care about the virus anymore
Live footage of the doomers expecting zero new cases after every round of tests.
I’m pretty sure that’s not live footage at all and it’s actually just taken from an old Disney Donald Duck cartoon.
Holy crap... you might be right!
There were a number of stories back in April & May ---- everyone at prisons would be tested (prisons generally skew younger than the total population), and there were A TON of asymptomatic cases among the positive cases. In some cases up to 90%.
Confirmed death rates are also pretty low amongst those prison cases.
As we're testing the sports teams (which skew younger than the total population too) - we're seeing a bit of the same directional trend as regards asymptomatic cases. 50% of these 28 Clemson cases were asymptomatic.
We are getting a few scary numbers as the various sports teams are being tested. But it could be not completely negative, if we view the numbers in the same context as other situations where everyone was tested.
To me, what's striking is that two Clemson players tested positive last week and now 23 this week. So whatever they're doing whether it be during training or more likely outside of training (or not doing like wearing masks) is causing rapid spread.
I expected there to be cases when players came to campus but then with testing and (potentially) more control over what they're doing while not training, the hope was that they could keep it from spreading. Apparently, that's not at all the case.
The fact they're not even shutting down voluntary workouts makes clear they simply don't even care if their players get infected. As you point out, these are really low risk people (linemen perhaps notwithstanding) but this is....an interesting approach.
That's because the Clemson coaches are smarter than the Michigan coaches. LSU apparently as well.