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Seth

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The Question:

Dave: What future non-conference game are you most looking forward to?

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The Responses:

Seth: As the usual question-asker I rarely get a chance to take the obvious response, in this case the 2020 trip to Washingon. So I'm gonna celebrate my good fortune with a top five list:

1. Seattle. Many U.S. cities are basically the same buildings, chain restaurants and NFL team just rearranged. Seattle is one of the few who are not that. Imagine San Francisco's waterfront, Brooklyn-like neighborhoods, and Portland's love affair with the 1990s. Then add 1000% more polar fleece, and coffee so good you should probably avoid it lest you spend the rest of your life as a Whole Foods shopper.

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Seattle pier [me]

2. Michigan-Washington = classic football. In addition to the once-a-decade home-and-home we've been scheduling since the 1950s, we've met the Huskies four times in Pasadena, including Bo's first win:


(the only time in history "who wants it more" was probably a thing)

It's rare enough to keep them exotic, and familiar enough for a wealth of subplots, like the 1983 game where Michigan learned The Wave.*

3. Washington fans. Like other schools you can name with a rich football tradition, a healthy respect for academics, and who have survived Ty Willingham, Huskies fans are surprisingly tolerable. They remember Marlin Jackson like we remember Omar Lowe.

4. Gameday should be pretty good. It's one of the older programs in a gorgeous stadium on a gorgeous old campus in early September. In 2020 Chris Petersen would be in his seventh year, Harbaugh his sixth, provided both survive until then. No bets that far in the future are sure things in college football, but the two former quarterbacks are likely enough to have their respective programs consistently ranked by then.

5. Family. The moment the news broke last year that Michigan was going to Washington I secured a promise from the wife that we'd be there, then called my particularly awesome cousin in Seattle to book our room. This thing is stone; family members have received notification to keep all weddings and pregnancies clear.

* Michael Florek covered the history of this for HTTV '14. Short version is the Huskies stole it from some Vancouver hockey fans, then M cheerleaders picked it up on the '83 visit and taught it to Michigan Stadium, where the bowl was a natural fit (and Bo blew one). Michigan fans took it to Tiger Stadium in the 1984 World Series, and it went national from there.

[After the jump: somebody I used to know]

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Ace: To me, the non-conference portion of  the season isn’t just about padding the playoff resume, it’s about including a traditional, heated rivalry or two—or even creating a new one—outside of the confines of the conference structure. Even if these contests can’t necessarily take place every year, it’s great to have a 1980s Miami, 1990s Colorado, or 2000s Washington filling a couple spots on the “future schedules” list. Rekindling an old rivalry is even better.

In that vein, I can’t wait to see Michigan host an old foe, a program they’ve played just once this decade, in 2016. A week before diving into the Big Ten East slate against those vaunted Scarlet Knights of Rutgers, the Wolverines face off against Wisconsin, and while you may be saying “hey, this is NON-conference” right now, you can’t convince me that two actual conference foes would go six years between football games.

I didn’t answer this just to get in a dig at Delany. While it’s probably for the best that Michigan hasn’t faced Wisconsin over the last half-decade, I miss seeing the Badgers on the schedule, and by the time 2016 rolls around this should be a pretty darn good game, and it should be a much-needed rise in competition after M opens the ’16 season with Hawaii, UCF, Colorado, and a bye week. (Ugh.)

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Dave: After losing a 'Who Can Claim a Game Faster' duel with Seth, I have to say that M's upcoming non-conf game I am most looking forward to is...in Fayetteville, Arkansas (2019)? Lolwut.

While there is still some appeal with VT (2020), Florida (2017), or even UCF (2016), I think playing on the road against Arkansas still presents the most intrigue. Yes, there are probably better states to go visit than Arkansas (like one the next year in the Pacific Northwest). And yes, in late August, it could be STUPID hot—maybe a night game? But there are a few things that might have me counting the days...

1). First road game at an SEC school since...yeah. In '85, M played at South Carolina, but that was before they joined the SEC. So, we'll say close enough and say 34 years at that point.

2). Bret Bielema...if he's still there. Which is probably. His contract recently got extended through 2020. M's had some fun games with him over the years. Add in his leaving the Big Ten for the SEC for...whatever actual reasons you believe. He's still been a whipping boy for a lot of people.

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Bonus for Arkansas: non-zero chance of going to a kegger with Bielema afterwards.

3). Actually, he's not doing too bad? 4/6 2014 conference losses were by a combined 22 points. He beat 2 Top #20 SECW schools, last year. And finished 7-6, despite finishing 7th (out of 7) in his division.

4). A couple first hand accounts say they have a reasonable fanbase who knows where they stand and who they are. And their mascot is a........feral pig? Which...is unique.

5). Plus, if you need some reasons to get hype and angry for the game, you can always think of the connections with Jerry Jones, Jimmy Johnson (football not NASCAR), and Bobby Petrino.

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Brian: I will agree with Dave here: I look at Michigan's upcoming schedules and the game I'm most likely to attend that is outside the state is the game at Arkansas. This doesn't have that much to do with the team, since projecting out to 2019 is a fool's errand. It's more about going to various college football places and finding out what they're like.

Arkansas promises to be the most interesting in that department. The only other road games they have scheduled before 2021 are at Utah—a team that we've played before lots in a city I've been to for ski trips—Florida at Jerryworld—NOPE—and at Virginia Tech. VT is very cool and I will definitely go to that, but something about the weirdness down in Fayetteville appeals. Woo pig soooie and Bret Bielema and a fanbase that make Michigan's obsessives look like mincing poseurs: I'm in.

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Adam: I have to echo Seth as I'm most looking forward to the game at Washington. I'm obsessed with two brown prolate spheroids, and being able to get (presumably) good versions of both makes Seattle the perfect away-game town.

Playing at Washington will rekindle memories of Perry and Walker and being sad because we lost. (A different feeling than the last seven years, which I've spent being sad because I expected us to lose.) I've already picked out some coffee shops I want to visit in Capitol Hill; that's significant coming from a guy who doesn't like to travel. That, and I can't earnestly pick a game played inside a sterile alien spacecraft in the heart of Texas.

Comments

Bambi

July 6th, 2015 at 12:23 PM ^

Maybe it's because it's not until 10 years from now, but I'm surprised no one said the Oklahoma series. Just from a football stand point that seems to be the most appealing opponent we have scheduled right now (this or Florida), and it's a home and home which is fun.

True Blue Grit

July 6th, 2015 at 12:29 PM ^

for that game.  We've always wanted to go there on a vacation (I've been there on business), so we'll probably spend a week or so seeing the sights.  I had forgotten that it wasn't until 2020 though.  Oh well.

wolvorback

July 6th, 2015 at 12:37 PM ^

I live in Little Rock, and the Arkansas fanbase is anything but reasonable.  They think that they would win the B1G every year.  It's "We're in the SEC, so we claim the titles, too" all the time.

RHammer - SNRE 98

July 6th, 2015 at 6:41 PM ^

...just like up here in the northern climes, you have to find the right people.  I moved from Saline to Little Rock in '88, and got to experience Michigan fan-dom down south (in what used to be Southwest Conference territory) and found that all my high-school friends and folks who ended up going to Fayetteville for school tended to be good ol' fashion football fans, with a good dose of realism not unlike those of us who are long-term denizens of this blog... plus, if you go down there in a couple of years, you should really make it a point to enjoy the local grilling expertise, as these guys (and others like them) are quite skilled in the art of putting flesh on a grill and making it taste incredibly good:

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Tailgaiting  https://www.facebook.com/MEAT2002?fref=ts

willywill9

July 6th, 2015 at 12:38 PM ^

I just moved to Seattle and the descriptions above are pretty accurate so far. I've also been hearing that Washington fans have a sick Sail-gating scene... I'm definitely planning to scope that out this fall.

dragonchild

July 6th, 2015 at 1:14 PM ^

But as a PacNW native, as they say, I have webbed feet.

The rain comes down in a swirling drizzle that makes it tough to see but constantly filters the air of particulates.  It's especially great when you're outside the city and the winter fog's rolling through the pines and firs.  The idea that air can taste awesome might not occur to you until you breathe in that fog.

Yes, you will get wet.  Getting wet does not hurt.  It certainly doesn't hurt like those -20F wind gusts walking through Ann Arbor that feel like a tornado tore through a Gillette factory.  And FFS I've seen Michiganders happily tolerate 40F in shorts.  Seattle's winters are downright balmy compared to Ann Arbor.

dragonchild

July 6th, 2015 at 1:43 PM ^

Yeah, that kind of stuff happens from time to time.  You learn to live with it.

That's always been part of living there.  That kind of weather was fun as a kid.  Of course, I didn't have adult responsibilities back then so I didn't have to worry about a falling branch impaling my engine block, or a tree going through the roof. . . I did grow up knowing how to prepare for 2-3 days without power though.

pasadenablue

July 6th, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^

I've been here almost 6 years, and I actually love the weather - never too hot (except for the past week), never too cold. It's just that Husky stadium is built in a way that the winds swirl with the rain and make some games worthy of a fandom badge of endurance. Diehard Husky buddies of mine have decided to leave at halftime due to shitty conditions in the past. But when its nice out - holy shit that view of the lake, with the Husky Armada out there is pretty special. Fun fact - if you arrive via boat, you can head back to your vessel at halftime and fortify yourself with liquid courage.

JeepinBen

July 6th, 2015 at 1:12 PM ^

Take it from someone who went to the Bama game - It was one of the worst football watching experiences I've ever had. I'm a chicago Bears fan, so "campy" is an understatement of going to those games (inflated bear tunnel with smoke? Sure!!) Rather than the band playing and students getting lifted in the stands touchdowns were followed with Scoreboard Graphics displaying "T-O-U-C-H-D-O-W-N-!!!" and little explosions as each letter showed up. There wasn't temptation, huge stops weren't followed with Iron Man, nor was there Bama's version of the same. There was ZERO organic fan/tradition/etc interaction. It was put on just like a superbowl, generic as shit. That works for NFL games, but as Dave Brandon found out, Michigan games aren't supposed to be generic as shit. It's not that our RAWK music is louder, it's that we have a band who's great and has played this song after this play for this many years. I would have much rather seen Bama's town/tradition/pagentry/etc.

tl;dr: Going to a football game at Jerryworld is going to "A Football Game". Not a Michigan game.

pasadenablue

July 6th, 2015 at 12:42 PM ^

As a current Seattle resident, and masters student at UW, the announcement of the home and home was cause for celebration, even if I do have to wait over half a decade. While Husky Stadium is loud as fuck and has perhaps the best view in college football, its nowhere as awe-inspiring as walking into Michigan stadium for a big game. I'm dying to show off the Big House to friends I've made locally once 2021 rolls around. One reason why we enjoy the UW series is that they're basically us, with the M flipped and slightly darker shades of maize and blue (gold and purple), and not quite as much tradition. It's a large research university in a liberal city that prides itself on tradition. They even have the same dynamic with their local rivals. Wazzou is their Sparty - they even have a term called 'Cougin It' which correlates directly to 'Sparty No!' And then Oregon is their Ohio - down to the big O, generally moronic fans, lower academic standards, etc. Its frankly uncanny.

pasadenablue

July 6th, 2015 at 1:21 PM ^

Stanford?  The Cardinal seems like a better comparison to Northwestern, except way more successful.  Hell, their Notre Dame might just be Notre Dame.

 

Definitely not Boise State.  Say what you will about ND - they DO have both academic and football clout and tradition.  For the sake of comparison, Boise State is more like a non-redneck West Virginia.

Wisconsin Wolverine

July 6th, 2015 at 12:50 PM ^

I have endured five years of exile in Madison, and never once got to see my beloved Wolverines take the field here in Wisconsin.  I understand that our recent squads would probably take to the Camp Randall like wood to a chipper, but I desperately want to see my two worlds collide before too long. And when that happens, I'll definitely be jumping around in my maize & blue.

WolverineHistorian

July 6th, 2015 at 12:50 PM ^

All the reasons in regards to Washington I agree with. But I'll never understand why the athletic department teased us with this HUGE news about a non-confernce opponent just scheduled for the future and then drag it out to the degree they did, only to reveal that it's...Washington, who we have a long history of home/home meetings with. I could understand saving the big reveal for Oklahoma, which they didn't. But whatever.

Sauce Castillo

July 6th, 2015 at 1:42 PM ^

Can't wait to head back to Seattle.  Went there last year and took in the huskies - ASU game while we were there.  awesome campus, awesome stadium, tremendous city.

HarBooYa

July 6th, 2015 at 1:54 PM ^

Whenever I get a little nervous about the Harbaugh camp shirtless thing, I see the picture of Bielema partying shirtless and I am okay.

Wave83

July 6th, 2015 at 2:05 PM ^

I am most interested in the Washington trip also.

First, as my login name suggests, I was in the Stadium when the wave arrived in 1983, a week or so after Michigan made a trip to Seattle.  It was not an event relevant merely in retrospect.  I doubt few who experienced it live will forget it.  The cheerleaders (i.e. the sweater-wearing male cheerleaders that no longer exist) imitated the wave for the student section to follow.  It took a little time to teach them, but gradually the student section got it going.  The funny thing was that when the students finally pulled it together from the seniors around to the freshman -- it kept going.  I don't think anyone actually expected the alums and other fans to participate.  When the wave completed one entire trip around the Stadium, everyone erupted in cheers to celebrate what they had just done together.  It was organic and great.

Bo was so pissed about the sudden cheering (which was completely inappropriate to whatever was going on on the field), he ran 10 feet out onto the field, turned toward the crowd, and waved his arms at us in anger.  LOL, Bo.  We love you.

Second, Seattle is a great town (as others have already said).  I lived there one summer clerking for a law firm almost 30 years ago and my son (another UM alum) now lives out there working for Microsoft.  (My UM grad son does Windows.)  Anyway, it will be a great opportunity to visit -- assuming he is still out there in five years.

Finally, I totally buy into the Washington rivalry.  In addition to Bo's first Rose Bowl win, there was the terrible loss in the 1978 Rose Bowl.  Leach and company battled back heroically, but Michigan lost something like 28-20.  I was a junior in high school and I think I cried for a week over that game.  While I have continued to be an impassioned Michigan fan, that was the game that taught me to grow up and get over the losses.  

WolverineHistorian

July 6th, 2015 at 2:18 PM ^

I have some footage I should probably upload in regards to the wave from that year. I believe it's the Northwestern game from 1983. At the conclusion of the halftime show, Carl Grapentine instructs the crowd over the speakers to start the wave and the entire crowd is on top of that, cheering before they even started. It's pretty sweet footage.



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laerm

July 6th, 2015 at 2:06 PM ^

Short version is the Huskies stole it from some Vancouver hockey fans, then M cheerleaders picked it up on the '83 visit and taught it to Michigan Stadium, where the bowl was a natural fit (and Bo blew one).

Okay, so, the plural noun that immediately precedes "one" in the parenthetical is "cheerleaders." This might require re-phrasing and/or clarification.

M Go Old and I…

July 6th, 2015 at 2:08 PM ^

For the love of all that is good and holy, please PLEASE do not publish photos of a shirtless Bielema anywhere close to meal time.  If anyone wants my turkey sandwich, you can have it.  I just can't eat right now after seeing that.