the most organized thing on the field saturday [Patrick Barron]

Rotation In The Distance Comment Count

Brian October 14th, 2019 at 1:56 PM

10/12/2019 – Michigan 42, Illinois 25 – 5-1, 3-1 Big Ten

It is said that when you have two quarterbacks, you don't really have any. I wonder if that might change in the near future. Survey the landscape: modern shotgun offenses virtually require the quarterback to be a viable run threat. The prospect of losing your starting quarterback, as Illinois did last week, looms.

The Illini, already starting a transfer, then had to pick between a true freshman who's banged up and a redshirt freshman ranked in two-star territory. That's because QBs Cam Thomas and MJ Rivers bailed on the program, Thomas shortly after losing the starting job to AJ Bush last year.

Michigan, meanwhile, has been struggling to get its quarterback to keep the ball all year after he took a rib shot on the first play of the season. The second-string guy has missed time with a concussion, also acquired on a QB run. Brandon Peters, a potentially viable gentleman, is the Illinois starting QB who got knocked out last week.

Michigan insiders have been asserting that next year the loser of the McCaffrey-Milton QB battle is going to bail for greener pastures. When the starter inevitably gets knocked out for some period of time, Michigan will have the same choice Illinois had in this game: redshirt or true freshman.

The no-sit-out transfers combine with the rigors of modern offenses—many of which increase the total number of plays on which to get your QB annihilated—and ever-larger and meaner defenders to create an environment where you're probably going to lose your quarterback for a while, and the guys behind him are likely to be mewling babes liable to thunk linebackers in the facemask with the ball.

The age of quarterback rotation may not be far off.

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The problem with this theory is that QB rotations are inherently unstable. Someone pulls ahead and then circumstances demand that QBs 1A and 1B resolve into QB1 and QB2. This happened at Michigan way back in the Brady/Henson days. 89 of Henson's 90 passing attempts came before Michigan's Penn State-Ohio State-Alabama closing stretch—the stray was, IIRC, a trick play in the bowl game.

Similar scenarios just played out at Clemson and Alabama, two schools that could surely endure some offensive inefficiency in exchange for an insurance policy. But Dabo Swinney named Trevor Lawrence his starter after four games and Kelly Bryant headed for the exit. That left Clemson's season hanging on Trevor Lawrence's various ligaments. Those survived, and Clemson won the national title. Ol' Dabo might have felt a little dumb if Lawrence had gotten blown up in game five. The Tigers had already needed Bryant to pull out a two-point win over A&M by the time he blew out of town.

By contrast, Nick Saban was able to keep Jalen Hurts around until this year. Hurts's loyalty paid off in the SEC championship game, when Tua Tagovailoa exited and Hurts led a comeback to win the game. No Hurts and very likely no championship, but even when faced with this equation…

  • Alabama's gonna win most of their games by a zillion
  • Jalen Hurts was the SEC offensive player of the year as a true freshman
  • Our starter is a human made of flesh, a fragile mote of dust on the breeze, a literal non-entity in a cosmic sense, and various large persons are trying to drive their bodies through his chest cavity literally dozens of times on any given Saturday

…Alabama only gave Hurts mop-up duty until he was thrust into the spotlight once again.

At some point, though, you'd figure teams start taking quarterback competitions into the season if there's any question, especially in years when there's a guy with an itchy portal finger who thinks he deserves a shot.

Michigan might have been in that spot, even on Saturday: Harbaugh said that McCaffrey was full go and available. But the rotation didn't come. Why not? Probably because coaches are fundamentally loss-averse even when plausible QB upside going into the meat of Michigan's schedule consists of Shea Patterson getting back to most of what he was last year.

All that offseason talk about a genuine rotation turned out to be balderdash. Like a lot of things. Offseason talk often turns into vapor, but the consistency with which Michigan's does seems like a reason the program's stuck where it is right now. When your plans never materialize you're always scrambling for something that works, like Illinois trying to find a human who can throw a ball. 

[After THE JUMP: one more beard picture]

AWARDS

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is this an image of Hassan Haskins not fumbling? YES YES IT IS [Barron]

Known Friends And Trusted Agents Of The Week

you're the man now, dog

-2535ac8789d1b4991f1c37dee-a502-44d9[1]#1 Jordan Glasgow. 11 tackles, one of them a beauty in space to snuff out what looked like a very long scramble from Isaiah Williams. Also a pass break-up and a blocked punt.

#2 Josh Uche. Five tackles, all of them behind the line of scrimmage, three of them sacks, in just over half of Michigan's defensive snaps. That'll do.

#3 Hassan Haskins. Is this solely because he's the only Michigan ballcarrier who did not fumble? No, he also broke a tackle to score on Michigan's first drive and showed some nice patience. Is it mostly because he's the only Michigan ballcarrier to not fumble? YES. YES IT IS.

Honorable mention: Ronnie Bell had a 71 yard catch and run on which he dodged a tackle and used Eubanks effectively; Eubanks, meanwhile, shot down the sideline on that catch and blocked two guys, yes he did have a bad drop; Cam McGrone had some issues but punched out a critical fumble; Aidan Hutchinson again displayed some excellent rush; Ambry Thomas had 3 PBUs, Khaleke Hudson had 2.

KFaTAotW Standings

NOTE: New scoring! HM: 1 point. #3: 3 points. #2: 5 points. #1: 8 points. Split winners awarded points at the sole discretion of a pygmy marmoset named Luke.

14: Josh Uche (#3 MTSU, #3 Army, T2 Rutgers, #2 Illinois), Aidan Hutchinson(#1 Army, HM Rutgers, T1 Iowa, HM Illinois)
11: Jordan Glasgow (HM MTSU, T3 Iowa, #1 Illinois)
10: Zach Charbonnet (#2 MTSU, #2 Army), Ambry Thomas (#1 MTSU, HM Rutgers, HM Illinois)
9: Shea Patterson(HM MTSU, #1 Rutgers),
7: Kwity Paye (T2 Rutgers, T1 Iowa).
6: Khaleke Hudson (#2 Iowa, HM Illinois)
4: Ronnie Bell (HM Army, T3 Rutgers, HM Illinois), Cam McGrone(HM Rutgers, T3 Iowa, HM Illinois)
3: Hassan Haskins (#3 Illinois)
2: DPJ (T3 Rutgers), Nico Collins (HM Rutgers, HM Iowa), Dax Hill(HM Rutgers, HM Iowa), Josh Metellus (HM Army, HM Iowa), Lavert Hill (HM Army, HM Iowa)
1: Will Hart (HM MTSU), Josh Ross (HM, MTSU), Sean McKeon (HM, MTSU),Brad Hawkins (HM Army), Christian Turner (HM Rutgers), Christian Turner (HM Rutgers), Nick Eubanks (HM Illinois)

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Cam McGrone and Aidan Hutchinson force near-consecutive turnovers to end any Illini threat.

 

Honorable mention: Ronnie Bell catch and run, Hassan Haskins breaks a tackle for a TD, any first-quarter run.

?X4OROG3KOKTIFUY4YU4SNSLDIY_thumb_thu[1]MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

Michigan's first drive of the second half goes mesh-point fumble, run into obvious zero blitz, five yard checkdown nearly intercepted. The stage is set.

Honorable mention: Charbonnet fumble, Wilson fumble, Turner not-quite fumble. Metellus overshoots a coulda-shoulda-INT. Pretty much every Illinois punt that went a million yards while tumbling like an out-of-control space ship.

OFFENSE

Recovering fumbles is random. Fumbling is… uh. Blast from the past this weekend as many people yelled at me about how I keep saying fumbles are random and I should feel bad for saying that. This was most of the RichRod era, and boy I am happy to be revisiting this. A nuanced refresher on my actual fumble beliefs:

  • Recovering fumbles is totally random. Study after study demonstrates that there is no year to year correlation between fumble recovery rates.
  • Certain things do cause more fumbles. This is mostly QB pressure, which causes events like the first two possessions in the Army game. Individual defensive players do cause fumbles and should strive to create them. Certain offensive players are impervious to them or susceptible to them, probably.
  • …but fumble quantity is pretty random anyway. This is inherent in any low-probability event. Someone's going to get boned by random chance and it's going to seem like a doomed thing and then it's not that thing again. Michigan lost a total of three fumbles last year. Did they suddenly get horrible at preventing fumbles? Probably not.

I believe that if you replayed the season Michigan would probably have many fewer RB fumbles and about the same number of mesh point/Patterson issues. The Wilson fumble was something that seemed like it's happened way too often this year: a RB carrying the ball high and tight who gets belted with a helmet right on the ball.

Possible mitigating factor. Charbonnet suffered a targeting penalty on his fumble. He got earholed by the crown of a safety's helmet. The replay booth entirely missed this because they were busy deciding how obvious the obvious fumble was. At least we didn't get the PSU-Iowa replay official?

Before and after. Michigan's ground game here had two phases: before Illinois realized that Patterson wasn't keeping and after. Early Michigan's orbit motion was drawing a guy for the orbit and a reasonable amount of Patterson respect, so running backs got to jet to the third level with some regularity. Michigan also added in some of the down G/pin and pull stuff they used last year, which also worked pretty well as blitzball Illinois linebackers flung themselves into gaps without reading the pulls.

Michigan had multiple second-half arc reads set up for big yardage and saw Patterson hand off into unblocked DEs crashing down on the back. This was especially grating on the fourth and two late where Patterson handed off on this:

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The common response to these complaints is that there's an end shuffling so you have to give, which is tantamount to saying this play doesn't work if the DE shuffles: he made the tackle on the running back.

There was another one early in the fourth quarter that was approximately as egregious. Once Illinois stopped dedicating guys to the keep their run D got a lot better. It was still constitutionally incapable of understanding concepts like "the edge" and "maybe keep one every once and a while" so Haskins got a couple of big chunk runs outside the tackles.

Also in beating this dead horse. Not a coincidence that Michigan went with a QB pin and pull on a critical fourth down. During the MSU-is-good years one of their trademarks was pulling out a QB run in critical situations because it evened up the numbers, and Charbonnet deleted a defender by going on a flare route to help open up that conversion. There's obviously a balance to strike, and obviously Michigan isn't striking it.

Patterson: more of the same. In addition to the run issues above, Patterson had a striking bifurcation between standard downs and passing downs:

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This fits into our general theory of Patterson: when Illinois LBs were sucking up on play action Patterson was dealing; when they were able to plan out a pass defense Patterson struggled. The 71 yarder was about 15 in the air, keep in mind.

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[Barron]

What is RPO? Apologies to the announce crew: yeah, the Schoonmaker TD was an RPO, with Eubanks arc blocking instead of showing for a route. In related news, this is the second event in which Schoonmaker has looked smooth and athletic for a tight end. If he can get his blocking assignments down he'll be a player.

The intense jealousy of things Illinois is doing on offense. Illinois picked up a holding call just after breaching the redzone down 28-17 early in the fourth quarter, and on the next play they coupled a bubble screen with a tunnel that got them to second and short. I've got this dream that Michigan will have a successful screen this year.

DEFENSE

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[Barron]

Molasses team. Michigan's #1 struggle in this game: tempo. Illinois is the first team in a while to really test Michigan's ability to get lined up quickly. Michigan repeatedly failed that test, either failing to get off the line on the snap or firing straight upfield on stretch plays that were then successful.

That's frustrating after last season, when Michigan was one of the slowest teams in the country and suffered on both sides of the ball because of it. They've sped up a little on offense but tempo is a rarity, and it showed in this game. This doesn't seem like a thing that gets fixed five years deep into a coaching regime.

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Finally some stats on it. A year after Josh Uche had seven sacks in approximately seven snaps, he'd been a minor box score presence in the first five games. This was not a reflection of his play, but rather the same vagaries of pass rush that saw Frank Clark do very little on box scores before being a second-round pick and long-time NFL starter. Well, now he's leading Michigan in sacks with 4.5 and second to Paye in TFLs with 6.5.

This is fine and good. Still wish we could get him on the field more often.

Please withdraw 80% of your Glasgow slander. Blackshear got him a couple times but also this:

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[Barron]

That's a high-four star guy Michigan recruited as a slot who just wants to be Denard who Glasgow tracked down. Lookit that green in front of him, too.

McGrone loves to go upfield. Cam McGrone has Young Linebacker Disease where he wants to go upfield of all blockers. Because he's super fast sometimes this works. The fumble he forced: went upfield of a running back trying to block him.

Sometimes this doesn't work, like various Illinois chunk runs when he didn't funnel back to help. Those plays were going to get a solid chunk of yards no matter what, often because Dwumfour had gotten sealed away. They went from solid gains to chunk runs from time to time because McGrone was trying to be a hero on every play.

Wind doesn't move receivers. Illinois got a third and long conversion on a punt to Imhatorbhebhe that probably should have been a PBU or interception—it at least should have been contested. Josh Metellus got over the top but then turned away from the WR because he badly misjudged the ball. I get why: wind. The risk/reward there is all out of whack, though: if it's overthrown and you intercept it it's going to be the equivalent of a good punt. Going after the WR is equal upside with much less downside.

I also think Metellus may have been responsible for one of the wide open RPOs that looked a lot like Michigan against RPOs three years ago: Illinois was using MSU's patented Let's Do Crimes route concept where an interior receiver blocks a press corner and then there's an in route. Later in the game Michigan appeared to switch these routes, except Metellus didn't switch.

Dwumfour: less good this week. Illinois had a plan to exploit him and it worked in much the same way Indiana did work against Mo Hurst a few years ago: when a guy's default mode is to burst upfield in a flash, run tempo and outside zone and reach the guy. A lot of Illinois's successful runs came in this mode; Kemp was much better about extending things to the sideline.

Hurst was able to adapt to this over time. Hopefully Dwumfour starts the same process.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Mr. Weird Punts. I put no blame on Michigan's punt returners for their general inability to field anything this week's Aussie drifter was humping off his foot, or feets, or tentacles, or whatever. The trademark downstate Illinois chaos wind combined with this guy's ability to fire off crazy Phil Niekro knuckle-punts to create a punt-fielding environment more hostile than any this correspondent has ever seen before.

A blocked punt. Michigan adds to their tally. I wonder where they stand on the leaderboard since Partridge became the special teams coach. I'd imagine they're pretty high.

MISCELLANEOUS

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almost saw a double punt [Barron]

Infinite punts. Infinite punt blocks. The best twitter subplot from Saturday:

Not only can you keep kicking it, you can advance punts that are behind the line of scrimmage! And this has been done in a football game!

You may ask yourself "why do this?" Why do anything? Why go to the moon? Why climb a mountain? If Alex Honnold can free solo El Captain, we can devise a fake punt that involves real punts. Yes, with an S. Achieve!

Yes, go for it. Even though Michigan got stuffed on the fourth and two referenced above there's no dispute that it was the right decision. Michigan's up 10 points with 7 minutes left. Going from a 10 point lead to a 13 point lead is close to worthless.

Illinois needs two touchdowns to win either way. The lack of a field goal only hurts you if 1) Illinois scores a TD, 2) subsequently drives into field goal range, 3) gets stopped there, 4) makes their field goal, and 5) wins in overtime. A TD ends the game.

Memorial Stadium in lovely Pyongyang, North Korea. It is truly a sight to behold:

Beard Stadium. Make it happen. On the other hand, some parts of the Illinois football experience are incontrovertibly lovely:

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We have a Lovie's Beard flickr album if you are not sated.

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Best and Worst:

Worst: Making Mistakes & Wasting Drives

Mason picking up a personal foul, plus a series of late hits out of bounds (one on Uche that was called, another on Gray that wasn't) were the types of plays you just can't make against better teams. I don't understand the desire to integrate Mason into te offense at this point; if the DT experiment is a flop (which it seems like), either bulk him up or wait until next year for him to transition back to the offense. Throwing some a pass to him after you've been gashing the Illini on the ground is a waste of a down, even if you think it'll put it on tape some opponents will need to plan for it. But I can accept a bad play not working out; Mason's decision to just smash a corner 4-5 steps away from the play was inexplicable. That turned a whatever play into a drive-killer.

ELSEWHERE

Illinois Football Breakdown has already done our game. Illinois on D:

And Illinois on O:

Good example of McGrone going upfield of everything at 1:10.

Ethan Sears:

It’s more than valid after a win to turn the conversation to what Michigan did well. Where against the Wolverines let the fumble get into their heads against Wisconsin, they rose up against Illinois. Particularly the defense, which stepped up and forced two late turnovers to seal the game. But that doesn’t change the reality facing Michigan right now.

After six games, and with two top-10 opponents looming in the next two weeks,  this can no longer be swept aside as an issue that will inevitably be fixed. Because Penn State and Notre Dame aren’t Illinois. And if the Wolverines give either team an opportunity, they’ll pay dearly.

“Yeah a little bit (of frustration),” said senior quarterback Shea Patterson. “Anytime you got a lead like that, coming out of the second half you gotta keep the foot on the pedal and in full throttle. But sometimes in a game, it happens like that.”

Bill Connelly selects Slippery Rock, of all teams, in his list of the teams he's had the most fun watching this year. And here's why:

2. Slippery Rock. I've been following the lower levels of the sport more closely this year, experimenting with an SP+ rating for FCS and Division II in the process. The Rock is unbeaten and has one of the best offenses in D2 -- it basically consists of quarterback Roland Rivers III lobbing the ball into open spaces and having talented receivers run underneath the passes for big gains. It's simple and extremely delightful.

we shoulda hired slippery rock's OC?

This guy's got a point:

Squirrels! Squirrels everywhere!

Photo: Tyler Carlton

It's been a day and a half and I still don't really know how to digest this football game.

So, here's a photo of a squirrel.

Squirrel is a weird word. You never remember that there's two r's.

Maize and Brew; Sap's Decals; Hoover Street Rag.

Comments

JFW

October 15th, 2019 at 9:41 AM ^

I'm going off the premise in Brian's post that seemed to say that teams with running QB's are having problems keeping them healthy the whole season. And how that makes the backup position more valuable.

He hasn't seemed the type to be spewing nonesense to excluse coaching decisions. 

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 3:23 PM ^

You'd hear that, but then you'd also hear guys in losses say "oh yeah, their offense was pretty predictable after a while, it was slow to develop, they struggled to push better athletes around, etc."  There are wrinkles here, but they aren't repping the base stuff well enough to sprinkle in the type of creative plays that I'm sure they have available.

I have been vocal in saying last year's offense was fine, but I think the move with Gattis works fine and will be fruitful going forward.  Maybe just not this year.

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 3:42 PM ^

I don't have immense faith in Gattis but I have a more general faith that moving toward an RPO-heavy offense that tries (at least) to push the ball downfield quickly is better than the alternative we saw.  This year hasn't been a particularly powerful gleaming example of this in practice but I'd rather Michigan work from that point and make changes than continue to trundle along with the past couple of offenses that had their own issues and, frankly, seemed to have lower ceilings.

A fully weaponized Michigan offense is scary is basically what I'm saying.  Even if it's not Gattis, finding a guy to replace him who can tweak the system is better than the perhaps-excessive-but-still-necessary overhaul we're experiencing now.

Erik_in_Dayton

October 14th, 2019 at 3:37 PM ^

I'm mostly with you, but I wonder if part of what we're seeing is a head coach who is not entirely comfortable with his offense. Harbaugh's old way of doing things seemed to be so much a part of who he was as a coach that I think it's possible he's out of sorts, for lack of a better way to put it, with this offense. It strikes me as plausible that Michigan needs to go back to the old system next year because otherwise you have a head coach doing something that just isn't him.

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 3:44 PM ^

Maybe, but Harbaugh doesn't seem to be against the idea of it; he wasn't forced to pick Gattis.  Compare him to Dantonio who actively seems to resist change; he basically runs the same offense and defense he did a decade ago, with some slight wrinkles.

I agree Harbaugh seems somewhat uncomfortable, but that seems to be a program-level issue at this point.  I wouldn't be surprised if he got more comfortable over time.

The Baughz

October 14th, 2019 at 4:10 PM ^

They still needed to add some modern concepts and sprinkle in some tempo.

Michigan is the only big time program that currently has no identity on offense. It’s so bizarre and frustrating to have 3 NFL receivers who hardly get any targets. 

Also, where are the screens, draws, reverses, trick plays, etc. The offense is so bland and boring most of the time. 

 

JFW

October 14th, 2019 at 2:45 PM ^

That's a great question. I really don't know. 

From a fan perspective, I know alot of people (myself included) were thrilled to have an 'up and comer' and were hoping for more. 

at least for me this shows the huge inherent risk in 'up and comers'. 

Now I wish he'd just have tweaked what he had. 

Of course, if he had, and we had an offense that was 10% better than last year but still didn't have tempo people would be on the Pep Hate Bandwagon still. 

evenyoubrutus

October 14th, 2019 at 2:50 PM ^

It seems like Gattis could have been brought in as a WR coach/CO-OC instead of "handing the keys over", since he's, you know, never been a coordinator before. And let him implement some spread concepts to the foundation that Michigan already had. That way you're not completely derailing an already pretty good thing with 9 returning starters. Harbaugh seems to make really bizarre tactical decisions in his hiring and other offseason practices that have cost us dearly.

JFW

October 14th, 2019 at 3:13 PM ^

I agree.

What worries me is that he maybe caved to outside pressure. Gattis was one of the hot hires; and he made what at the time looked like a bold move. 

However, in doing so he also addressed several long standing criticisms of his offenses; which was O's 'lack of modernity' and the incessant complaints about the committee process; which given what other teams do I think was overblown. 

* Could there have been pressure from outside (AD?) to give fan service?

* Could he have been trying to respond that way?

* Could he be backing up and giving up responsibility slowly and taking himself out of the day to day running of the team as he gets older? 

* Maybe getting Gattis required a full OC job instead of a higher level position/ Co OC job? 

I think its hard to second guess without knowing everything. 

 

ak47

October 14th, 2019 at 3:13 PM ^

Gattis had other OC offers, he wasn't coming here without being given control of the offense. Also who is he the co-OC with? Harbaugh, that shit hasn't worked in the past? Pep? That guy is terrible at his job and recruiting.

The offense wasn't good last year. It was a system that maximized talent differential over teams we were better than but the second it hit a defense with any skill it shriveled up and died. Obviously the downside of installing a new offense is it gets worse, but I'd rather take a shot at having an offense that can actually win games and push us towards a championship than one that means we get to beat Army and Illinois by a bunch but never had a chance of beating another actually elite team.

JFW

October 14th, 2019 at 3:23 PM ^

I get that. I do. I think we all were willing to take that shot. 

Where I get SUPER FRUSTRATED is that we took a chance.... and it didn't work. At least it hasn't so far. But instead of saying 'Wow, they did just what we thought we should be done and took a shot to move ahead; but it didn't work' we have so many people blowing up and criticizing Harbaugh for doing JUST WHAT WE ALL WANTED. 

 

 

 

 

 

CompleteLunacy

October 14th, 2019 at 3:40 PM ^

Yup, agreed.

Not only that, but everyone seems to think Gattis is a failure already, but it's exactly 6 games in (and he's had to deal with a team THAT CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF THEM HOLD ONTO THE DAMN BALL, not to mention the number of key injuries). I'm not saying the offense will turn around and click, but it's just weird to me that most seemed to have already reached a solid conclusion of "Gattis bad" before the year was even half over. 

I'm done with BPONE. I'm BPONE about BPONE. That shit is dumb and has made this site so damn awful and unbearable, and it's negatively affecting Brian's writing too. You know what? I watched that near-implosion in the 3rd quarter and didn't even bat an eye. It is what it is. We already know what this team is...there's no use in feeling angry, upset, or down about it. Whatever happened to just cheering for your team and hoping the play better? Stop worrying about what they should be and cheer for them as they are. It's not like they're not trying. 

evenyoubrutus

October 14th, 2019 at 3:53 PM ^

I don't personally think Gattis is a bad coach. I think he doesn't blend well with Harbaugh's philosophy. And he's too inexperienced to completely take over an offense like this. I know that's a blazing hot take, but it's all I got to explain this disaster. 

It's like if Harbaugh owned a restaurant and he hired and Italian chef to plan the menu and run the kitchen, but Harbaugh is a huge fan of Cajun food so he demands cajun seasoning be added to all of Gattis's Italian recipes. It just doesn't work.

CompleteLunacy

October 14th, 2019 at 8:04 PM ^

I think I agree somewhat, but I also don't know what's happening behind closed doors. It's hard to tell how much is a "first time play caller" issue, how much is a "brand new offensive installation" issue, how much is a "wrong personnel for the system" issue, and how much is a "Harbaugh philosophy" issue. Add on top of that nagging key injuries and sudden inexplicable fumbleitis. There's too many variables to suss out. I'm sure it's a little bit of everything, which is probably both good and bad. Good in that parts are fixable...bad in that not everything will be. 

I don't think M needs to be perfect on offense to win. They just need to be competent - move the ball, avoid turnovers and big mistakes. They aren't going to light the world on fire, but with Don Brown leading the other side they don't need to (at least not yet). 

 

 

JFW

October 15th, 2019 at 9:49 AM ^

"I don't think M needs to be perfect on offense to win. They just need to be competent - move the ball, avoid turnovers and big mistakes."

I agree. Sadly, It seems that some aren't happy unless we run a 'modern' offense; and that means spread. 

I think a significant portion of Harbaughs overall philosophy prior to Gattis has been about ball security; and for good reason. Maybe he takes it too far, but we see what happens if you aren't good at it. 

I am fairly scheme agnostic. I fully support ball security over high risk/high reward. But I'm not super picky about how we get there. Smash Mouth ball control (my fave)? Sure! West Coast dink and dunk? Sure! Spread? Sure! Read option? Sure! Vertical passing game (which I think might actually fit Shea better)? Sure!

Just make sure your risks are calculated. Get the automatics right (good blocking, good clock management, good throwing form, good running form..) Then I don't care. 

yossarians tree

October 14th, 2019 at 3:32 PM ^

Well it seems the core principle of the offense and the thing from which all the rest of it flows is the QB having the option of pulling the ball from the mesh point. If he cannot or will not then the "zone read" is the stupidest run play in the galaxy because the RB takes a big old pause about three yards behind the line of scrimmage and watches the defense collapse around him.

An effective run game opens up play action at least, which is really the only platform Patterson can pass effectively from. As the statistics Brian provided show, Shea is really limited as a dropback passer on obvious passing downs.  

JFW

October 14th, 2019 at 3:27 PM ^

Fisch: Good

Partridge: Good

Team Mom (she still here?): Good from everything I've heard

Herbert: Good

Warinner: Good

Don Brown: Good

Durkin: I'd argue good while he was here; as far as I know we didn't know about his moral failings. 

Gattis: eh

Drev: Eh. 

Pep: Eh. 

I'll give him a bit of benefit of the doubt on Gattis and Drev. Drev had done him well prior to that, Gattis was a guy many were willing to take a risk on. 

 

 

Drew Henson's Backup

October 14th, 2019 at 3:29 PM ^

Eh, I don't think that would be a good fix. First of all, Gattis may very well go to Maryland under those conditions (fine!). But even if he wanted to sign up for that, you've got a bunch of cooks trying to make different kinds of meals? No thanks.

My hindsight fix is either stay the course (maybe with new coaches) or hire a whole new offense with a more proven guy.

I think this is what you get with Gattis. But why was it Gattis or bust? Dunno.

reshp1

October 14th, 2019 at 2:56 PM ^

Harbaugh's offense by committee approach seemed to reach a hard cap of a fringe top 25 outfit, which by this season's standards is great, but not NC caliber. I do believe in modern football you need a coherent offense that ruthlessly punishes every possible defensive response. That probably means one guy with one singular vision and system. 

 

Gattis might not be (probably isn't) the right guy, but I don't think the previous system was viable long term either. 

LKLIII

October 14th, 2019 at 3:20 PM ^

This is exactly it.

We had a "good" offense but it wasn't "excellent." So the conventional wisdom was, we were willing to retool it and take a risk in order to have a better shot at "excellent."  In particular, the ability to score quickly with explosive plays, run tempo when needed, etc.  The OSU game really made this apparent as well.  We were hanging in early 3rd quarter, but a big part of our problem wasn't just the D getting shredded, but our utter inabilty to score quickly. IIRC, the real demoralizing moment of that game wasn't when we had an INT or when we had to punt. For me at least, the moment that was demoralizing was when we DID get a TD, but it took something like 6 or 7 minutes of clock to do it, when we were already down 2 or 3 scores.

Of course what we are GETTING this year in reality is not necessarily up tempo & score at will.  (Although, we do have the ability to score quickly due to just 2-3 explosive plays rather than tempo, and it is sporadic at best).  But at least as of the off-season the rationale of going with a new OC and the stated goals this off season were consistent with the program trying to get it's offense that had a likely ceiling of "OK/good" to "very good/excellent."  

Nothing Special

October 16th, 2019 at 8:13 AM ^

He hired Gattis because the offense couldn't keep up with more explosive offenses from other teams. 

In years past, was it ever the defense holding us back? Besides OSU last year, not really. When the defense did have a tough game and got worked over the Harbaugh Era, was the offense ever there to lend a hand? Pretty much a resounding no. So when you consistently have a top 5 defense, but your still not good enough to win the conference, you change the offensive system.

Personally, I recall screaming at the TV because of the predictable nature of the offense the last few years. I don't think just slight tweaking of the system was going to work. But that's just like, my opinion, man. 

MGoStrength

October 16th, 2019 at 10:51 AM ^

He hired Gattis because the offense couldn't keep up with more explosive offenses from other teams. 

I get why a change of offensive philosophy was needed to move from a pro style to a spread.  The question is why Gattis?  Drevno sucked.  Pep sucked.  Now Gattis sucks.  Why did he decide a guy with no coordinating experience is suitable to be a coordinator at a blue blood P5 program?  It seems like UM should be able to land someone with a more proven track record than Gattis.

Nothing Special

October 16th, 2019 at 8:13 AM ^

He hired Gattis because the offense couldn't keep up with more explosive offenses from other teams. 

In years past, was it ever the defense holding us back? Besides OSU last year, not really. When the defense did have a tough game and got worked over the Harbaugh Era, was the offense ever there to lend a hand? Pretty much a resounding no. So when you consistently have a top 5 defense, but your still not good enough to win the conference, you change the offensive system.

Personally, I recall screaming at the TV because of the predictable nature of the offense the last few years. I don't think just slight tweaking of the system was going to work. But that's just like, my opinion, man. 

Sopwith

October 14th, 2019 at 2:39 PM ^

This blog has been calling for punt-passes for two years, and now we see some evidence you can build an offense around it.

HIRE EASTERN KENTUCKY'S SPECIAL TEAMS COORDINATOR AS OUR OC.

 

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 2:41 PM ^

Fumbling is random, and maybe we all should have accepted that it was unlikely they'd only give it away 3 times again, but still it's weird to see every RB just let go of the ball.  Yes Charbonnet got ear-holed on that play (and was also tripped a bit), but everyone's being putting the ball on the ground.

I'm not going to re-litigate all of those 3rd-down throws, but at least one was a PI to Bell so while that doesn't count on his stat sheet it's still positive yards.  Patterson also had a very catchable ball Eubanks dropped (and was then injured on) as well as a couple of throws that were just a little off but certainly not overly well defended by Illinois.  Most of his incompletions on the day came during that three-drive section at the end of the half/early 3rd quarter.  Maybe the UFR will show otherwise but I didn't perceive Illinois changing their defense all that much in that second half and Patterson had some nice throws then as well.  He wasn't great by any means, but I'm not sure it's because Illinois was messing with him all that effectively.

I'm interested to see what PSU and ND do to defend against McGrone.  PSU's offensive line isn't particularly good and McGrone should be able to get penetration, but I feel like they'll have counters to deploy against his aggressiveness.

As for tempo, Michigan got bit by it a bit but Illinois also got called for (I believe) at least one false start penalty and should have been called for too many men on the field.  They also called a TO after rushing to the line because they clearly didn't have a plan.  More times than not they'd rush to the line then do the clap-stare-at-sideline routine; Michigan seemed perfectly capable of handling that.  Yes, Michigan needs to get better at handling tempo, but I don't think it's something they aren't prepared to see and can't be simulated during practice.  What seemed to be a bigger issue is Michigan didn't expect Illinois to go tempo (and Illinois didn't have a great idea what they were doing with it).  I assume they'll be better prepared for it against better opponents.

buddha

October 14th, 2019 at 4:18 PM ^

I generally agreed with your comment with the exception of Illinois not having a great idea of what they were doing. They were a vastly over matched team and rattled off 25 straight points. Obviously they didn’t win, but they certainly saw a wrinkle to exploit and did so. Better offenses on our schedule will see this and replicate it.

ak47

October 14th, 2019 at 2:42 PM ^

I really don't get Brian's obsession with McCaffrey. We have a team whose best chance at having a real offense involves going deep to a group of very good wide receivers. McCaffrey's biggest issue is a lack of arm strength. Is the fact that he is willing to keep the ball occasionally really more important than the fact that he has thrown a total of like 5 balls more than 10 yards in the air in his entire career? He isn't the answer because he can't do what we need. The reason Patterson is still in there is because if he somehow gets out his head he has the arm strength to make an arm punt offense work, Dylan does not have that and this team isn't beating any good defensive team because of QB keeps in an RPO offense.

ak47

October 14th, 2019 at 5:10 PM ^

A QB run threat is great, Patterson can be that if he could read the pull correctly. A QB that can also throw the ball is pretty important too though or you wind up with our offense under Denard that couldn't do anything if the run game was taken away.

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 3:13 PM ^

I agree with the premise that a more willing runner makes this offense more dynamic if he's even a passable, well, passer.  And McCaffrey should theoretically be able to do so.  But yeah, it's weird this idea that McCaffrey is some unopened treasure chest.  And while he's a solid runner he's not a Lamar Jackson/Denard type; he's fast enough in a straight line but he's not elusive to that degree that he'll make a ton of guys miss, and he's somewhat slight and consistently gets blown up/injured.  I guess you can coach that out of a guy, but it hasn't happened yet.  Patterson has shown the ability to be an accurate passer and a willing runner; you can win with that guy.