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Brian

1/12/2016 – Michigan 70, Maryland 67 – 13-4, 3-1 Big Ten

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those people didn't even know us [Bryan Fuller]

This was always going to happen at some point. A marquee win was going to stroll onto the court and get bombed back into the Stone Age by Duncan Robinson and the Enola Gays. Even as the team was getting hammered by various opponents featuring large angry people, I had this faith. (Probably. Shut up.)

They just had to, you know, do it. They had to take the three point shooting and shape it into a win with the other bent and misshapen tools at their disposal. The math had to add up. It had not done that so much this year. But basketball's math is changing.

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John Beilein hasn't changed much in the 86 years he's been a college head coach. He will play four, preferably five, people who can shoot three-pointers and try to get away with everything that implies. The 1-3-1 has come and gone but the core has always been the Beilein Long Range Strategic Bombing Initiative.

It's worked. Beilein scrapped his way up the ranks by overachieving everywhere he's ever been. But there was always thought to be a ceiling past which this kind of basketball could not go. Early skeptics noted that Beilein's attention-grabbing tourney runs at West Virginia were paired with mediocre regular seasons. He'd never sniffed a conference title in a major league. Players who could shoot from deep were limited role players. They were Just A Shooters.

The game of basketball has changed, gradually and now radically. With Steph Curry currently redefining what NBA efficiency means as statheads in the background furrow their brows over any shot between the arc and the rim, the zeitgeist has finally come around to the idea that three is more than two.

Meanwhile Beilein has been a whisker away from a national title, a whisker away from another Final Four, and won three Big Ten championships. It's been a little rough so far this year since the post play has been… uh… well…

is there any way to say this diplomatically

if I am not diplomatic will I be arrested

I seem to have been given a choice between being massively dishonest and being banned from speech forever

…not good.

Also Michigan's recent propensity for injury has bit hard as Spike exited for good and Zak Irvin scuffled through a big chunk of the season during which the fact he was about to miss a three was more obvious than the plot of The Force Awakens. Oh, and Caris Levert has missed three games and counting.

But as ways to play basketball go it seems like people are just now catching up to Beilein. The team is catching up to expectations. Now if we can just get some additional Mitch types in here.

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Yesterday they did it. Set aside the bigs going 0/5; they are not members of the backing band here. Robinson and company went 12/24. That's 50%. That is good. That is enough to overcome a lot of things. It's enough to overcome Diamond Stone using 40%(!) of Maryland possessions efficiently, for one.

And it's not a fluke. Muhammad Ali Abdur-Rahkman hit his lone three against Maryland and has joined the club: Michigan has five players hitting 40%+ from three. That does not count Irvin, who seems to be recovered from the back-injury-induced early season funk and is hitting 44% over his last five. They have two players, Walton and Robinson, above 50%.

This deep into the season thoughts that Michigan might reclaim their Burke/Stauskas form have been shelved. But if they can poke their nose inside the line enough to avoid the kind of drought they suffered midway through the second half, they can be a fatally flawed team that goes down in a technicolor blaze of glory.

BULLETS FROM ABOVE

Goddamn, Duncan Robinson. Here are the top ten three point shooters in the country.

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Robinson has 42 more attempts than the next-closest guy. The only player I found with significantly more, Oakland's Max Hooper, has 133 and is shooting at a 45% clip.

And is it just me or has he improved defensively? I have not been frustrated by a bunch of blow-bys of late. He seems to be able to stay in front of PF types and is even bothering the occasional person with his length. He's by no means good, but the opposition has stopped targeting him over and over again as the clear weak spot.

Robinson is developing—or probably just displaying—the ability to Not Just Shoot as well. The drive and pretty reverse layup late in the second half was an eye-opener; he's putting up shot fakes and then repositioning as well. He was the alpha dog on Williams two years ago with a diverse all-around game; he should be able to grow into that as he gets more comfortable on a D-I court.

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weird face sometimes too [Bryan Fuller]

Derrick Walton is a weird player. Walton is rebounding like a 6'11" guy. His 21.7 DREB rate is almost top 100 nationally. Many of those are of the mansome variety where he launches off both feet and secures a ball a 6'1" guy definitely should not secure. Meanwhile He's hitting 33% of his two-pointers and 53% of his threes.

I am desperately disappointed that Kenpom stopped showing you similar players based on stats*, because what does that spit out for a guy with that DREB rate, assist rate, and shooting profile? Jan Jagla, but good?

*[I assume Pomeroy dumped it because it didn't work, but in this situation that only makes it better. Other possibility: Pomeroy saw Walton's sophomore year and pulled the plug in case his junior year caused his computer to emit smoke and shut down, moaning "why Ken whyyyyyy" as it did.]

Walton is a weird defender. I was very frustrated with him in the Purdue game. He started well and then kept getting beat off the dribble by drives that didn't look like anything other than a meh Purdue guard putting his head down. So of course he comes out against Melo Trimble and crushes him.

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didn't go well, could have gone worse [Fuller]

Donnal as the "Evolution of Man" poster. I dunno, man. I assume every Michigan fan had written off Mark Donnal for good. There was certainly a lot of grousing about wasting minutes on him during the cupcake games in December, grousing that I agreed with. And then he got a ton of layups and is… well, he's not good but he is middling with frightening outburst of Mutumbo.

I never thought I would say this but the defensive downgrade when DJ Wilson came in was obvious. Wilson got wreckt on a couple of pick and rolls where he let the PG around him; Donnal got over and cut off penetration. He of course had that sequence towards the end of the first half where he had two spectacular blocks* and looked as surprised as anyone that he had just had two spectacular blocks.

While Diamond Stone more or less had his way with Donnal for much of the day the progress there is undeniable.

*[The first of which caused Tiricio and—ugh—Vitale to rant about how Donnal had committed a foul. Not that I expect Vitale to pay attention to the rules of the game or even the things happening in front of his face, but Donnal "getting [opponent] with the body" was Donnal leaping vertically as opponent rammed into him. That is a major emphasis with the refs this year.]

DJ Wilson is still baking. Clearly very bad in this game, as his brief chunk of playing time in the second half resulted in a 10-2 run for Maryland that he was almost singlehandedly responsible for. Also he floats to the perimeter to shoot threes way too much. But you can see flashes of an effective player in there; he has super-long arms and length, so he gets his hands on a lot of balls and has a future as a shot blocker.

The redshirt was clearly the best idea. He's got a long way to go; he has a very high ceiling.

Speaking of Max Hooper. Hooper has 133 three point attempts that he's hitting at a 45% rate. Pretty good, Max Hooper! How are you doing inside the line?

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Wow. Hooper is a junior; in his career he has attempted 11 two-point shots and 344 three.

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This has been "Brian and Ace find a freakish basketball player on Kenpom of no interest to you and tell you about it anyway."

Comments

champswest

January 13th, 2016 at 4:42 PM ^

to a team like Maryland that could pound it into Stone for 2 points at will, but still couldn't quite keep up as UM kept knocking down threes. Prior to the start of conference play, Robinson's 3 point shooting % was higher than the collective 2 point shooting % of the other rotation players. Think about that for a minute and then factor in that all of his made baskets were worth 1 more point each. The simple conclusion is to get Duncan more shots.

TrueBlue2003

January 13th, 2016 at 6:53 PM ^

because basketball is a more complex sport than a game of H-O-R-S-E. There is this thing called defense. And also rebounding.  College players that are good at those things are often not excellent three point shooters. Three point shooting amongst college players typically comes at pretty high costs, in terms of tradeoffs, to other aspects of the game.

I just looked at the past five national champs and four of them shot fewer 3s than the average team, and one was just about average 3PA/FGA (Uconn 2014).

If it were as simple as shooting more threes, you're right, more teams would do it, but it's not that simple, which is why it's not been groundbreakingly successful on the college level yet, other than to give teams that can't get NBA talent a chance to win the occassional big game when the threes are dropping.

These are the top ten NCAA teams for 3PA% and their overall kenpom rank. Yikes. Only one team in the top 100.

1. The Citadel (306th)

2. Wyoming (166th)

3. CMU (168th)

4. Charleston Southern (286th)

5. Akron (74th)

6. Belmont (104th)

7. Eastern Washington (202nd)

8. Lipcomb (289th)

9. Columbia (143rd)

10. Elon (163rd)

 

WorldwideTJRob

January 13th, 2016 at 9:07 PM ^

Totally agree and also taking 2-pointers causes a lot of other things: more offensive rebounding opportunities, foul trouble for the opposition and free throw attempts. Hitting 3's only is not a great way to win long term. People think that the Warriors won the title last year because of outside shooting when in actuality they became a contender because their defensive play rose to top 5 in the NBA.



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CorkyCole

January 13th, 2016 at 2:22 PM ^

Plus, I really still think he's re-discovering his knack for being that PG we saw him grow into at the tail end of his freshman year. He made way more plays near the rim that reminded us a bit of Trey Burke than he has so far this year. I don't think that he all of a sudden forgot how to do that layup fade away from the defender; he just has to rediscover it. He knows it's there because I haven't exactly seen him stop trying fully - IT JUST NEEDS TO GO IN THE DANG HOOP.

CorkyCole

January 13th, 2016 at 2:27 PM ^

To add to this, and I must admit that I haven't been able to watch every single game this season, but I feel like this was the first game this season where I saw him try to be that "alpha dog" at the end of the game. Maybe part of this is because everyone expects LeVert to be that guy, so when LeVert is in there then Walton sort of backs off from that role; however, I want to see more of this. Walton got angry. And he wanted it. I really hope that when LeVert comes back, that aggression and desire doesn't go away. We need more than just LeVert to take that role on.

LV Sports Bettor

January 13th, 2016 at 1:32 PM ^

along with Kenpom obviously as well.

I was surprised to see their at Sports Reference that Walton (and LeVert also) has had one of the Michigan players best defensive ratings (opponents points per possession when he's on the floor) in each of the past two seasons. 

I've also heard the website Synergy more or less say the same thing about Walton on the defensive end. Beilein confirmed it as well last season saying something to the effect that he was their best defensive player.

Anyways I think this has been talked about here before but it still sorta surprises a bit.

Yostal

January 13th, 2016 at 1:34 PM ^

Brian,

Please consider changing the MGoBlog Twitter avatar to the Block M casting side-eye seen above.  I realize the seat cushion Braveheart is tradition, but man, that is so perfectly Michigan/

AC1997

January 13th, 2016 at 1:37 PM ^

(Preface upcoming comment with the joy I've had watching Zombie Donnal come back from the dead to be a useful player.)

I think what Beilein would ideally want is for Wilson, Chatman, or a player like that to play PF for this team.  That gives them another guy who is 6'8" or 6'9" to help rebound and defend without giving up too much in the way the offense works.  Obviously neither of those guys are ready to contribute much at all and certainly not in a way that doesn't affect the offense.  I think his ideal player would be Glenn Robinson but at 6'8"+ where he can better defend and rebound.  

Likewise, I can't figure out why Michigan hasn't been able to find some monster center who can play defense, rebound, and kick ass on the ball screen game.  No offense to any of the guys we have this year or coming next year, but they're not athletic.....at all.  Maybe Wilson will be, but he plays like a wing and not a post (I cringe with every three pointer he throws up).  Mitch McGary is a unique player who you find once in a generation.  But I wish we could find a 6'11" physical specimen who could defend, rebound, and roll to the hoop on the screen game.  I'm hoping Teske can turn into that, but I suspect he is a 3-year project.  

AC1997

January 13th, 2016 at 1:40 PM ^

Re-read my post and it sounds like I'm hoping for one of these 5-star lottery pick players to show up on campus.  That's not what I'm suggesting. What I'm suggesting is that there has to be 3/4 star guy who can't shoot but can do the other things that would have a role on this team.  Partering a finesse player like Wagner with a physical athlete would be an ideal center rotation.  

With that being said.....Michigan has had very few of those in my entire lifetime so maybe it is our White Whale.  

FreddieMercuryHayes

January 13th, 2016 at 1:47 PM ^

I wonder at the lack of recruiting just a monster for the 5; like who really cares about his shooting, but put a huge bully there to grab rebounds, occasionally dunk the ball, and block shots.  I know Beilein really liked the pick and roll in the last few years, but with all the great gaurd play, I tend to think he can pass on trying to get a great offensive player at the 5, let your 4 gaurds do that, and make up for that lack in what his teams have lacked since McGary made his tourney run.  It appears that UM just can't count on getting guys like McGary.

Jonesy

January 13th, 2016 at 3:19 PM ^

Yeah, watching this game made me really sad we didn't get Diamond Stone.  I also don't think we need a 5 who can shoot, we keep recruiting ones who supposedly can but do we really need Donnal and Wilson and Moe shooting 3's?  Rolling to the basket off a pick seems far more effective so just get a beast like Diamond.  This game also made me wish we could get people like Layman to play the 4 for us, he'd be perfect, but even if we got him we'd stick him in at the 5 and he'd struggle.

SanDiegoWolverine

January 13th, 2016 at 2:14 PM ^

and they weren't guys that could catch an alley-op on a dive which can really open up your offense (think Tyson Chandler). Morgan became a good roll man over the years and a passer out of the pick and roll catch but that took awhile. 

I think it would be great to have an athletic 6'10+ guy with a strong body with great defensive instincts. The coches could mold that guy into a great dive man and cog in the offense. Think Ekpe Udoh at Baylor. 

CrankThatDonovan

January 13th, 2016 at 2:32 PM ^

Ekpe Udoh was a lottery pick.  Tyson Chandler was a lottery pick.  Pretty much all guys 6'10" and above who can rebound, block shots, and run an effective pick-and-roll are lottery picks.  Expecting Beilein to outrecruit Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Indiana, MSU, OSU, UCLA, Arizona, etc. for the one or two guys a year who have that skillset is asinine.

SanDiegoWolverine

January 13th, 2016 at 2:54 PM ^

and was developed into a lottery pick. I'd love to recruit one guy like that every year and hope that a few of them can develop and pan out. Here's so other similar guys that developed well that were 3 or 4 star recruits in a similar mold:

Jordan Hill (3*)

Taj Gibson (4*)

Manimal (Not Rated)

Paul Millsap (3*)

Jarvis Varnado (4*)

Stepane Lasme (NA)

Hell, through A.J. Hammons (4*) in there. There's plents of guys in the Top 100 or Top 200 we could get in that mold that we could develop. I'm not sure DJ Wilson has body or definsive aptitude to be that kind of block and roll big man but if we picked up guys like him every year I bet a bunch of them would work out.

Lanknows

January 13th, 2016 at 3:04 PM ^

I think the ideal Beilein 4 (besides like Kevin Garnett or Kevin Durant or something) is a more athletic player than either Chatman or Wilson.  People had Donnal pegged as a 4 too and that was never going to fly.

Jaylen Brown is the closest guy to an ideal 4 that I can think of in recent history.  Similar to a GR3 - who is the best Beilein 4 ever by a long stretch.

I think Teske and Davis both have a shot at being the physical/shot-blocking presense you are talking about.  I don't think we'll have to wait as long on Teske as you say.  I'm expecting him to play a key role next year and then start by sophomore year.  He projects as exactly what Michigan needs inside - a Tyson Chandler equivalent, or Jordan Morgan with longer arms/shot-blocking ability.

ijohnb

January 13th, 2016 at 2:00 PM ^

caveat to this unquestionably big win.  Am I the only one who thinks Maryland is just overrated?  I just don't see it with them.  I see a possible sweet 16 team who will be on upset alert for the first weekend of the tourney.

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funkywolve

January 13th, 2016 at 2:11 PM ^

if they are over-rated.  Trimble and Schulamon (sp?) had bad games for Maryland.  When two of your key players barely do anything on the stat sheet, you're going to be in trouble.  Combine that with UM shooting 50% from 3 (taking out the big's 3 pt attempts) and you have a UM win.

I'm going to guess that was Trimble's worst game of the season so far.

DetroitBlue

January 13th, 2016 at 2:22 PM ^

I'm not sure if they're the third best team in the country, but Diamond Stone is a really skilled big man, Trimble/Suileman (sp??) are a couple good guards and Leyman is solid too. Not so sure about their coach and they don't seem to have much of a bench, but there's a lot of talent in their starting 5



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Stringer Bell

January 13th, 2016 at 2:24 PM ^

You're not the only one.  They're a really good team with a lot of talent but a top 5 team they are not IMO.  More like 8-10 IMO.  Tons of talent, with an All American PG and a great center but they just don't seem to play up to their talent level.  They've had a lot of close games already in Big Ten play against inferior opponents.

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jmblue

January 13th, 2016 at 2:58 PM ^

They definitely haven't started Big Ten play all that well, scraping past PSU and Wisconsin before losing to LeVert-less Michigan.

 

Lanknows

January 13th, 2016 at 3:11 PM ^

Keep in mind they have had massive roster turnover from last year.  Trimble and Layman are the only core players left from last year.   Their talent is scary - we are lucky to have caught them earlier in the year because they will get better when they better figure out their roles and rotation fits.

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mfan_in_ohio

January 13th, 2016 at 4:02 PM ^

They were ranked that high based on talent, but when Trimble and Suleimon don't show up (and they didn't last night) they are pretty middling.  I watched the second half of the Maryland-Penn State game, and until maybe halfway through the half, they had absolutely nothing.  Once Penn State stopped scoring (because they're Penn State), Maryland took over, but if they are a top 10 team, they have no business being in a battle, much less down 10-15 points in the second half, at home against a team as bad as Penn State.

They also have one win against a tournament-level team (UConn); their next best wins are against Rhode Island, a narrow win over a 6-loss Georgetown team that lost to Radford, and a lopsided win against Princeton.  Based on their schedule, I can easily see us tied with them at the end of the B1G schedule at 12-6.  I think they lose to MSU, Iowa, Purdue, twice, and one more (either us or at Indiana).  We should lose about 5 more games (I'm thinking @ Iowa, vs. Sparty, vs. Purdue, @ Maryland, and either Iowa or Indiana at home).  

Having not really beaten anyone above UConn this year, Maryland is probably on course for a 4-5 seed or so, which is a disappointment for them, but it's not like they looked any better than that last night.  

matty blue

January 13th, 2016 at 2:11 PM ^

...i'm going to write it anyway.  after 16 games in 2014, we were 12-4.  we had lost to the only two marquee opponents on the schedule (duke and arizona) but beaten two good non-conference teams (stanford and nc state, both on neutral courts).  we'd won on the road at two big ten arenas - nebraska and minnesota (they were both alright that year).  game 17 was a HUGE win at wisconsin.

this year, through 16 games, we'd lost to three very good non-conference teams, beaten a couple okay non-conference (texas / florida st = stanford / nc state, or thereabouts), and beaten an okay big ten team on the road (illinois).  game 17 was a HUGE win at home vs maryland

i'm obviously not saying we're as good as we were in 2014, but...well, you never know.

if we're 100% healthy in march?  man, i wouldn't want to see us in a bracket.

Michigan4Harbaugh

January 13th, 2016 at 2:25 PM ^

I like where your mind is at! If Michigan is able to go into Iowa on Sunday and win, I just may end up eating a whole box of Dilly Bars and a sub!! But really, a huge W on the road vs a good team would pay major dividends in conference, and with the selection committee.

Lanknows

January 13th, 2016 at 3:16 PM ^

It all hinges on the center position.  If Donnals' growth is sustainable.  If Doyle is actually working through something and improving while he sits on the bench.  If Wilson gets more consistent.  If Wagner's little 2-game glory can be repeated later in the year.  It's in play if any of the IFs above get you to a Morgan/Horford level.

The Walton-Robinson-LeVert-Irvin group (with MAAR and Dawkins off the bench) is on-par with the Walton-Stauskas-Levert-Robinson group (with Spike and Irvin off the bench). Given how much better Caris and Irvin have gotten in two years and how exceptionally good Robinson is at shooting they could be absolutely dominant if the pick and roll with the center is working (or evem if the Centers start hiting 35% plus from 3). 

rlcBlue

January 13th, 2016 at 5:10 PM ^

McGary played in all the non-conference losses (which also included the 7 point loss at #21 Iowa State and the 2 point neutral-court derp to #you'reshittingme Charlotte). The loss to Arizona was Mitch's final college game. So the team that blitzed the B1G wasn't quite the same one that dropped 4 non-conference games.

This year's team, of course, was missing Walton in the loss at SMU and missing LeVert in the loss at Purdue.

And of course the uniforms are different, but the worst-ever in both cases.

skurnie

January 13th, 2016 at 2:16 PM ^

I'd also like to point out that Max Hooper's Twitter handle is @MaxTheHooper which is pretty great.

Went to Harvard for one season and played in two games.

Transferred to St. John's and graduated and then transferred to Oakland for his grad year. 

Weird.

Franz Schubert

January 13th, 2016 at 2:31 PM ^

To put more research and effort into the scheduling. It pays to play a bunch of games against 100-200 RPI teams as they should be very manageable wins but don't drag down the strength of schedule. This season so far really illustrates this as Michigan has played the RPI # 3, 6, 14, 25, 32, 71, 83 and 96 teams which is as difficult as any schedule in the country but because of the games against RPI #250 and higher teams ithe SOS is only #66. This has been a regular issue for a number of years.

Franz Schubert

January 13th, 2016 at 2:50 PM ^

Michigan played Xavier, SMU, Texas, UCONN and NC State which is a hell of a slate but because of the baby seals they get no credit and in fact, the committee will actually think they had a weak OOC schedule. This needs to be rectified, it shouldn't be hard to figure it out. Any win over an RPI #175 and above should all be given equal weight.

Evil Empire

January 13th, 2016 at 3:59 PM ^

I can't remember a lot of things I'm supposed to remember, but I can remember song lyrics.  Probably haven't heard that one in 2+ years (since my iPod went fut) but it came right back to me.

Ready to feel old?  Motorcade of Generosity was released on February 7, 1994.  Guess how many players on Michigan's current roster were born before that date?  I'll give you a hint:

 

Side note: Levert, MAAR, and Irvin were in three different recruiting classes, but they were born (in the order I named them) in a 10-day span in August-Sept 1994.