USA Today rips Ole MIss
Interesting reading ...
First, a take from Dan Wolken at The USA Today regarding Ole Miss's pettiness when it comes to Patterson's transfer: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2018/04/10/ole-miss-declining-support-shea-patterson-still-wont-face-up-its-crimes/502471002/
Also, Patterson's attorney goes off in a piece by Angelique: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2018/04/10/ole-miss-objecting-pattersons-eligibility-request/33695789/
EDIT: Sorry, I didn't notice that Angelique's story had already been shared below. My bad.
Also I’m sure many are aware, but RCMB is blatantly against Shea’s 2018 eligibility. They think it’s shady Michigan up to no good. Funny to contrast the USA Today article with their sentiment.
But they're fine with all the sexual assault and cover-ups ...
They also continue to extract billions annually by promoting the lie of amateurism in the big money sports. Football and basketball players trying to make it as professionals focus almost entirely on athletics as if it is their job.
in their minds, the sexual assault was ONLY Nassar, and he's not part of the Athletic Program, so the rest is a witch hunt and Izzo and Dantonio are gods who do no wrong
Hey, do these green blinders make me look stupid?
pay attention to the basketball team then.
Glass house, MSU. Glass house.
has heavily tinted windows and nobody could see Nassar's systematic molestation
I don't know if you've noticed, but the RCMB tends to be blatantly opposed to U-M in general...
Damn, Billy Tom Johnson is gonna be BUSY today!*
*Billy John Thompson is the one dude in Mississippi that can read.** He will therefore have to relay all the details of this story to other angry Ole Miss fans interested in learning what this story is all about. That will take most of his time, and thus he will be busy.
**He can only read because his parents are from Tennessee.***
***Tennessee is less Red Necky than Mississippi.
...just barely.
At least they all dont look completely inbed.
Did anyone other than Michigan's attornies expect Ole Miss to respond any other way?
Think about it - if they were to take the position of not opposing the immediate transfer are they not basically admidting guilt to any NCAA violations while simultaniously admidting they KNEW about the infractions in advance? Dont they almost have to oppose these requests if they want to retain any hope of defending themselves against potenial NCAA sanctions?
Shitty for the players but to me anyways the Ole Miss response to date is exactly what i'd expect them to do. Why were we surprised by this? What did we expect them do to?
This - I think 75% of the legally inclined (lawyers, compliance officers, etc.) would have advised Ole Miss to say nothing, that is to neither support nor object. I suppose you could argue that expecting Ole Miss to do the advisable thing was a mistake? However, I also suspect that Michigan didn't want to egg Ole Miss on into objecting by submitting the worst information they had when Ole Miss hadn't originally planned to respond. A bit of game theory, I suspect, althought Ole Miss seems petty enough that they could have planned on objecting all along.
I thought you only spoke in Definites?????
works every time!
Smart move would have been to sit on the sidelines and remain silent. Simliar to the article, I can't think of one benefit to Ole Miss objecting besides sheer pettiness. They have already admitted they orchestrated a huge effort to lie and mislead everyone about the issue. Just sit on the sidelines, take your lumps and try to move forward rather than rehashing an issue that they already admitted
Yours is the sort of comment I keep looking for.
The question that I think both of us have is a serious/technical Bylaws question, and it is: Would there be any negaitive inference for Ole Miss if they had issued no response? Or if they somehow waived each of the transfer applicants individually, while denying whatever parts of the Notice of Allegations that remain at issue?
I don't know; but what keeps getting overlooked is that this is not any sort of denial of a transfer request. Shea transferred; that's done. This is about escaping the usual one-year sit-down as with most D-1 transfers.
is that they are fighting the punishment and basically silence is considered guilt in this case, so they are claiming again they did nothing wrong and will be slapped down again for it.
against Ole Miss and imposed various penalties. That's actually been very relevant to the transfers. If Ole Miss had gotten a two year bowl ban instead of one, then Patterson would have automatically been eligible immediately. Maybe the NCAA wishes now they had done that.
You're not completely wrong. Ole Miss is fighting the claims because they are appealing the NCAA penalties. It puts them in a much weaker position, though. The NCAA has already rejected their arguments once. They aren't going to get the benefit of the doubt now.
That's an interesting question... let me pose you another:
Does anyone expect an employed attorney not to represent their client by responding to the Ole Miss response and blasting it to pieces? I think you are expecting everyone to expect Ole Miss' response to the request but forgetting we should expect this exact response from the attorneys responding to Ole Miss.
April 10th, 2018 at 10:24 PM ^
? Not even close.
I'm saying that comparing Ole Miss to MSU isn't even close. MSU is in its own unique territory regarding its public display of disdain for victims and protectionism. Not even PSU went where MSU has gone.
Denying is one thing, but if they came out and blamed Patterson and said, "What'd he expect?" That'd be more like what MSU has done.
I’m going to say no. Can you think of any community colleges, say in E Lansing, that have chosen to close ranks and choose to deny the slightest guilt, even when trapped in the corner?
I think Ole Miss will go the PSU/MSU route and act like complete dicks until the bitter end, at which their trustees and alumns, will pace around in circles.
Why does everyone pick on us, they ask. Why don’t people like us? A handful of violations and a bad attitude, and everyone is out to get us And just because we try to prevent kids that we lied to from going to the school of their choice, were the jerks? Unfair, we say!
Gotta go. Got me some battles to reenact like this one with the NCAA.
Self-preservation. If Ole Miss supports Patterson's transfer, it implies they agree they did something wrong. But honestly, considering the sanctions have more or less already come down (and they could've been a whole lot worse), if I were Ole Miss I'd just cut bait with the situation and move on. I don't know what they have to gain out of making sure Patterson is ineligible next season. They still have a bowl ban and their reputation is already damaged. Why continue to drag your university's name through the mud?
I wonder if they would've cared this much if it was, say, the long-snapper transferring. Or a backup DB. But it's their former star QB. It feels a whole lot like Ole Miss is doing this simply out of spite.
Thanks for sharing Mr Grainger...was a good read
What does Ole Miss gain by denying Patterson's request? What's their angle here?
And why on earth would the NCAA even have to consider waiving his transfer redshirt?
on behalf of its membership, not on behalf of student-athletes whose interests are only relevant as their behavior, needs and rights relate directly to the member program whose missionary requirements are the primary function of the organization. That is why the organizatioin conducts investigations, but it takes no enforcement action not thoroughly vetted and signed off on by peer members. It acts and responds in the same way Congress does. It makes a big show without producing a significant amount of institutional change.
Let Shea play!!!
...but expected for that d-bag course