OTL is going all in on MSU, Izzo, Dantonio
January 26th, 2018 at 1:22 PM ^
Front page on espn.com right now
January 26th, 2018 at 1:31 PM ^
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January 26th, 2018 at 2:27 PM ^
My brother (a MSU grad) is calling this a witch hunt and said "ESPN should tred carefully before they lose all B1G programming."
All I could do was shake my head.
January 26th, 2018 at 2:32 PM ^
This really is PSU all over again (only on an even larger scale).
January 26th, 2018 at 2:37 PM ^
the number of victims alone is horrible, but the OTL piece shows incidents were across multiple sports and all over campus with MoleStU not following their own policy in the guise of protecting the athletes and the overall reputation of the school.
January 26th, 2018 at 2:50 PM ^
I was thinking specifically about the defensiveness/rationalizations that we're probably going to start seeing on the part of MSU fans if/when the revenue sports are implicated.
January 26th, 2018 at 2:51 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 2:58 PM ^
Both PSU and MSU covered up a pedophile, both of whom abused a large number of young people. What is different about MSU is the pervasive culture of enabling of and indifference to sexual assault. MSU found a way to one-up PSU. The whole rotten mess needs to be dismantled and rebuilt from scratch.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^
To me, the biggest difference is PSU had an outsider allowed to have access that let him bring kids he groomed through his non-profit. Sandusky was protected before and after people knew irrefutably. With sparty, this was a staffed doctor that fell under the pervue of the Athletic Department, and involved students the University is obligated to protect through legal edict.
The victims of either don't give a damn about severity, so we shouldn't either, in my opinion. Both are reprehensible and should never have been allowed to go on that long. Good people in the right places can keep evil at bay. Evil prevails when good people do nothing, but when good people aren't there in the first place, they invite evil into their 'home'. Now the check is on the table and it's time to pay.
January 26th, 2018 at 2:48 PM ^
I have actually heard that type of comment from several MSU people that I know. They feel like Michigan fans are coming out of the woodwork hoping that some kind of sanctions come to MSU because of sports.
I have no response to that other than "have you been paying attention?"
January 26th, 2018 at 2:54 PM ^
As a Michigan sports fan, I want to beat MSU on the field and throw it in their faces.
As a human being I think MSU Athletics should be dissolved.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:00 PM ^
I feel bad for the victims.
If they don't think the athletic department should be punished then they need some perspective.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:03 PM ^
I'll tell you who keeps coming up as a rat in these investigations--the Ingham County prosecutors office. There's even an incident reported here where the woman who said she was raped by Payne and Appling was told by the county's assistant prosecutor that they were not pursuing charges because they didn't the she, the victim, was strong enough to stand up to the scrutiny.
But it gets better, because now that same assistant prosecutor is working as an investigator in MSU's Title IX office!
We've long suspected on this board that the cops, prosecutor, and athletic department up there were awfully chummy with one another, but this is just awful. I'll bet you'll find a lot of people from the county and the cops in the nice suites at football games.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:47 PM ^
re: Nassar Title IX report with different conclusions - one sanitized to victim and full one with damning conclusions of cover up to Nassar & superiors - the author of the report was promoted to MSU's Office of General Counsel afterward.
January 26th, 2018 at 4:41 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 6:31 PM ^
This is not an MSU problem - this is scarily more pervasive. MSU may be exceptionally horrible, but there are a lot of places which will let a winning athletic department with square jawed coaches who represent "the brand" get away with this (and the "Branded a Spartan" line made me icky). As long as these coaches win and say the right things, they'll sweep despicable acts under the rug and talk about how the coaches are role models. Penn St and MSU are the more monstrous examples, but I have a hard time believing it's not a lot more pervasive. We got a small taste of it at Michigan with Gibbons - thankfully the University did the rightt thing. I know that there are evil people who'll join successful programs in the future and I damn sure hope the University will continue to do the right things. And I hope for sure the AD will join them next time around.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:38 PM ^
That's so incredibly dumb. Yes, not having Izzo there would make competing against MSU in basketball easier. But I don't want him gone because of that. I want him gone because seemingly the only way to make sure that every college program takes sexual assault seriously is the realization that if you don't, not even being living legend Tom f'n Izzo will save your job.
January 26th, 2018 at 2:49 PM ^
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January 26th, 2018 at 2:53 PM ^
LOL no unfortunately. That was my own dumbass mistake.
January 26th, 2018 at 2:56 PM ^
Sounds like PSU fans.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:01 PM ^
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January 26th, 2018 at 2:53 PM ^
And that's just from the couches, imagine if they set all those tires on fire too!
January 26th, 2018 at 1:23 PM ^
January 26th, 2018 at 1:39 PM ^
Whoa.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:24 PM ^
that whole institution/athletic department needs to be brought down.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:29 PM ^
Ouch, this is bad Sparty, really, really bad.
MSU troll bitching about our obsession with MSU in 3...2...1...
January 26th, 2018 at 1:31 PM ^
Yeah its the Blue Wall.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:25 PM ^
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January 26th, 2018 at 1:35 PM ^
its "new ground" for the whole university to have to pretend to be transparent when dealing with sexual assault.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:52 PM ^
I thought he put those players on Red Lock.
January 26th, 2018 at 2:04 PM ^
Another quote:
"Allswede told Outside the Lines that about seven years ago, an attorney from the university's general counsel's department came to her office to try to reassure her that coaches were taking allegations of sexual violence seriously. Allswede says the attorney told her how Dantonio, the football coach, had dealt with a sexual assault accusation against one of his players: He had the player talk to his mother about what he had done."
January 26th, 2018 at 2:26 PM ^
This is so, so damning. If this is true and proven true - and to give MSU and Dantonio the benefit of the doubt, I would not be shocked if ESPN is throwing lots of shit at the wall here without a ton of evidence, so it may not be - but if true and provable, Dantonio is gone. This could end with Hollis, Dantonio AND Izzo being gone. Wow.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:07 PM ^
These allegations aren't coming from Generic Argue Show.
They've been fighting MSU for information included in this for years; sources are public records and interviews; OTL is a legitimate investigative journalism arm that has broken huge stories regularly; ESPN if anything gives the benefit of the doubt to iconic (ugh, but true) figures like izzo because there's a huge price to getting it wrong and the very accusation will hurt the access essential to their business.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:09 PM ^
Now this is just rumor and heresay, but my wife has a colleague with a nephew on the team and the rumor circulating is that Dantonio is also out.
Hah, now I get to be a rumormonger! Friend-of-a-friend and all that, but it's out there.
January 26th, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^
Now it's out there that both Dantonio and Izzo will announce their retirement soon. Time will tell.
January 26th, 2018 at 7:01 PM ^
Dude, why are you even on this message board? Didn't you just sign a $4 billion contract from a dude with a bowl cut and a moose knuckle?
January 26th, 2018 at 2:41 PM ^
Wow...that's just..shit IDK what to say...its just so unbelievably fucked up.
January 26th, 2018 at 1:25 PM ^
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January 26th, 2018 at 1:27 PM ^
Interesting. One of my friends (Sparty-alum) texted this AM to ask me if I heard about Enos. He started gloating, talking about how he's going to listen to Valenti this afternoon to hear him talk about Harbaugh...It's been crickets ever since.
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