Welp, Aaron Hernandez had CTE...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/sports/aaron-hernandez-cte-brain.htm…
Apparently it was "one of the most severe cases anyone had ever seen," and he was only 27 at the time of his death. It certainly doesn't excuse his disgusting actions, but it may help explain why such a young guy with a bright future and all the money in the world seemed to like to murder people for fun?
September 21st, 2017 at 4:14 PM ^
data seems to suggest that this is pretty prevalent among NFL players, although he only played 3 seasons or so IIRC.
September 21st, 2017 at 4:18 PM ^
Well, he died at 27 this year, and hadn't played football in almost 4 years before that. So he was roughly 23 when he quit football after only 3 NFL seasons. It seems pretty clear to me, given how bad his form of the condition apparently was, that he most likely developed it before the pros, maybe even in high school.
September 21st, 2017 at 4:29 PM ^
Urban Meyer himself causes CTE.
September 21st, 2017 at 4:34 PM ^
Only to the undergrad ladies whose heads bang off his office desk during coitous...
September 21st, 2017 at 4:56 PM ^
September 21st, 2017 at 4:59 PM ^
No way I'm starting an argument with you. You are clearly a master debater.
September 21st, 2017 at 10:16 PM ^
September 21st, 2017 at 7:53 PM ^
September 21st, 2017 at 8:56 PM ^
For those wondering what the hell this means:
September 21st, 2017 at 9:19 PM ^
September 21st, 2017 at 11:12 PM ^
...first became aware of it Mandrake, during the physical act of love.
September 21st, 2017 at 4:30 PM ^
September 21st, 2017 at 5:48 PM ^
Yea I was about to say how many fist fights has this guy gotten into over his lifetime...
September 21st, 2017 at 10:03 PM ^
the finding severely undermines the dominant narrative about Hernandez--that he was an inherently violent person destined to kill and die; it places blame on the game.
Perhaps more emerges that bolsters your thesis. But this is going to prove a landmark for lawyers and others who argue that football is too dangerous. And the liability questions are going to become ferocious. I don't doubt that this will bring a wave of reaction from fans, but they'll only be angry at the messenger. We are going to see more high schools dropping football, for starters.
I've been a fan since the 1980s; my Dad knew Bo and my whole immediate family and grandfather went to Michigan--football has been a family touchstone since the 1950s. But this finding could well presage huge changes ahead (no pun intended) for the game.
September 22nd, 2017 at 8:20 AM ^
And another over-reaction to headlines without data.
September 22nd, 2017 at 10:52 AM ^
sad actually. Aaron Hernandez killed himself to shield assets in a civil suit and to allow Baez to pursue legal action against the NFL to benefit his family. There have been countless studies done on serial killers showing various differences in brain chemistry and brain functionality. Oh, but this guy was a football player, so it is different? So, not only does he kill multiple people, but now he will get to cash in on being a murderer and do his best to destroy the game of football from the grave.
I hope the first Judge that sees this case tells Baez to get the hell out of his courtroom. There is a special place in hell for Hernandez, and the number of people who are willfully accepting this man as a victim of anything is silly.
September 22nd, 2017 at 4:43 AM ^
September 21st, 2017 at 5:23 PM ^
You could make an argument that his CTE does explain his behavior. There's major atrophy in his prefrontal cortex, the part of our brain responsible for critical thinking and executive function. You can call me an alarmist, but parents don't let your kids play football.
September 21st, 2017 at 6:46 PM ^
If you really believe playing football has a pretty good chance of turning you into a murderer maybe you should stop watching and supporting football.
September 21st, 2017 at 7:00 PM ^
September 21st, 2017 at 7:55 PM ^
September 22nd, 2017 at 8:17 AM ^
Media coverage and hot takes do.
September 21st, 2017 at 4:15 PM ^
going back to when he was in HS. Blaming CTE for Hernandez being a shitty person would seem to suggest that HS football players have advanced CTE, no?
September 21st, 2017 at 4:17 PM ^
maybe his parents regularly dropped him on his head as a baby?
September 21st, 2017 at 4:19 PM ^
September 21st, 2017 at 4:23 PM ^
when he allegedly shot into a car full of people at a Gainesville club. I dont believe that barrier ever existed with Aaron Hernandez. I'm not denying that he had CTE, but I'm having a hard time believing that he was an angel before he got concussed playing football.
September 21st, 2017 at 4:21 PM ^
He only played 3 years of pro football and 3 of college (I believe). So the possibility that he developed the condition during high school has to at least be considered?
September 21st, 2017 at 4:24 PM ^
I'm not saying that HS football players cant develop CTE, was moreso trying to say that I dont think CTE is why Aaron Hernandez was a bad person.
September 21st, 2017 at 4:35 PM ^
Oh, most likely not. But shit, what if he started playing really young and really aggressively at that age, and did suffer tons of micro-concussions or something? That can certainly lead to mood and violence disorders...
September 21st, 2017 at 4:22 PM ^
I do not think this is news worthy for potential reasoning for all of his wrong doing. Hernandez clearly had other issues that played a major role in him doing the heinous things he did, I think it is significant for another reason.
Since our current way of determining CTE is post-mortem, it is very difficult to determine if new safety regulations are truly helping, or at least negating the advancements in size and strength that are causing harder collisions. Hernandez still being so young is news worthy for that debate. This could just be a one off instance that doesn't reflect the league as a whole, or this could be very bad evidence for those who suggest that the game is safer now than before.
September 21st, 2017 at 4:23 PM ^
Do we know that HS players can't yet have an advanced case of CTE? We've mostly been looking at cases involving former players quite a bit older than Hernandez, but I haven't heard anything definite on when their problems developed.
September 21st, 2017 at 4:32 PM ^
September 21st, 2017 at 4:35 PM ^
I'm not trying to say that HS football players cant have CTE. Was moreso saying that if we're going to suggest CTE is to blame for Aaron Hernandez, maybe football shouldnt be a thing, because he's been a piece of shit since HS.
September 21st, 2017 at 5:14 PM ^
September 22nd, 2017 at 1:57 AM ^
APOE4 has been indicated to modulate mTBI recovery. The data set for CTE is pretty small and in the hands of relatively few researchers. The money is in mTBI.
There's been hub bub about it in the Huffington Post as well as regards CTE.
Here is a 2016 rundown that is pretty good.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK326717/
It's never straight up and down.
September 22nd, 2017 at 8:23 AM ^
There isn't even good data out there showing that CTE is more prevalent in football than other sports.
September 22nd, 2017 at 5:43 PM ^
media getting this wrong - especially the NYT.
Fans are also getting this wrong. It is a cluster.
Focus should be on youth football, in vivo methods and longitudinal studies. The limited science resources are doing this.
September 21st, 2017 at 4:37 PM ^
i don't think the OP was suggesting that. in fact, the OP's take was about as neutral as one could be.
September 21st, 2017 at 5:17 PM ^
Doesn't suggest anything...individual cases are unique. Furthermore, people start to play football well before high school. I played in 6-8th grade...if your brain is more suseptible at that age, it could lead to rapid and severe onset?
September 21st, 2017 at 4:18 PM ^
September 21st, 2017 at 4:36 PM ^
Your kid could still turn out like Aaron Hernandez if he/she doesnt play football.
September 22nd, 2017 at 8:28 AM ^
They are coming to the same conclusion you just did, except it's a conclusion based upon headlines, most of which are anecdotal and still today lack enough statistical evidence. To repeat my losing battle: we know far too little about these links to draw safe or unsafe conclusions.
September 22nd, 2017 at 8:44 AM ^
As long as CTE can only be diagnosed after death and only in those people who chose to donate their bodies, there is no way to get anything but anecdotal evidence. Hard science on this is inherently impossible, but the anecodotal evidence is begining to pile up.
September 22nd, 2017 at 9:50 AM ^
this. We need to wait for the subjects, identified by their symptoms and head trauma clinical evaluatoins to be neuropathologically evaluated.
At a certain point this will become hard science. Even then it's tricky. There is a considerable amount of crossover / comorbidity with other neurodegenerative disorders.
September 21st, 2017 at 4:18 PM ^
and the steady drumbeat of confirmatory datapoints on football causing CTE is truly brutal, and may cause a cresting in football's popularity. Hope the new helmets and new rukes help. Sad
September 21st, 2017 at 4:19 PM ^
27 at the time of his death, but only 23 or 24 when he stopped playing football. That's insane.
September 21st, 2017 at 4:19 PM ^
To read it you would assume that Hernandez's suicide was a result of his severe case of CTE and nothing more.
Not that he was a murderer.
Not that he was facing life in prison.
Not that he was trying to protect the assets of his family by dying while his appeal was still pending.
Just the CTE. FWIW I think there was a bit more going on with Aaron that led to his suicide.