MGoPodcast 10.4: She Doesn't Deserve It
1 hours and 23 minutes
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1. Offense
starts at 1:00
Game was out of hand too quickly to see downfield throws—what with PI turned off and all, 5.5 YPA isn't a concern. Higdon TD they inserted Mason on the back side of the line, playside LB followed him. Mason as the Mooseback inside the 10: yum. Hidgon looked more tackle-breaky, better fit for M's offense. McCaffrey looks to have seized #2—arm strength eh, run speed McCaffreyian. Michigan may have something in Ronnie Bell. Ambry Thomas Pepcat package? Tru Wilson setting up blocks. Pass pro better?: Michigan chipping especially on JBB's side. Vastardis is the 3rd center.
2. Defense
starts at 27:36
Targeting on Khaleke Hudson was complete and total garbage from the WORST officiating crew in the Power 5. He's tackling the quarterback with his face in the QB's chest. That's what you want! Glasgow had some busts and some plays. Bush got an ooooh hit from the crowd. Rashan Gary read the message boards this week. Josh "Martellus" good all-around game. Deeply unfair PI calls: hate PI on terribly thrown balls when the DB is in a better position than the receiver.
3. Special Teams/General Thoughts
starts at 54:23
David doesn't believe in "getting on the board." Brian isn't properly impressed enough at DPJ's return. David isn't properly impressed by Oliver Martin's athleticism. Nobody was expecting Will Hart's Heisman campaign. Nebraska uses the return fair catch rule correctly and the Michigan fans booed them.
4. Around the Big Ten with Jamie Mac Without Jamie Mac
starts at 1:14:56
Jamie couldn't make it. How does the Purdue defense hold [annoyingly good former M commit RB] to under 100 yards? The Gio Rescigno Era resumes, Buffalo more than covers the spread. #FloatTheBoat. Weird Penn State was willing to play on a Friday night, but it's on the road vs Illinois and gives them an extra day before OSU. Pass to open up the run against MSU and throw inside: Whop had a big day, IU did not. Wisconsin survives Kinnick at Night, Iowa couldn't field a punt.
MUSIC
- "MMMBop"—Hanson
- "Scotty Doesn't Know"—Lustra
- "What You Meant"—Franz Ferdinand
- “Across 110th Street”
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September 24th, 2018 at 7:43 AM ^
thank you for getting "mmmbop" stuck in my head.
September 24th, 2018 at 10:23 AM ^
Listening at work on low volume, coworker walked up at that exact moment and though I was listening to Hanson at work. Thanks for that.
September 24th, 2018 at 11:49 AM ^
I haven't heard that song since I was in high school, back when it was popular, and I hated it then.
Is it weird that I hear it now and think it's actually a decent song?
September 24th, 2018 at 8:15 AM ^
How can one judge the arm strength off of any QB with the amount of passes McCaffrey has thrown? Hot take, lol
September 24th, 2018 at 9:16 AM ^
Wasn't his pass to Ronnie Bell both deep and insanely accurate?
And his pass to Thomas should have been caught even if it was slightly behind.
September 24th, 2018 at 9:45 AM ^
Yes and on a rope I might add.
September 24th, 2018 at 12:51 PM ^
It was a good throw and very accurate, but I was much more impressed by his touch than a D1 QB throwing the ball 25 yards in the air under minimal pressure. When people say "arm strength" it's more can he really get the ball there quickly in small windows. That jury still feels like it's out, even though early returns are high.
His throw to Thomas was a safe throw, but it would have been nice if he had thrown it a bit farther. That felt like a throw he'd hit with more experience.
September 24th, 2018 at 12:33 PM ^
His arm strength is fine and he has been the #2 qb since the first week he is now just widening the gap between him and Peters. I would expect Peters to grad transfer after this year unless he just wants to be the backup to McCaffrey for two years
That was targeting on Hudson he needs to put his head on the side of the qb and not up under his chin. Stupid play on his part
September 24th, 2018 at 12:44 PM ^
I disagree with Brian on both of Hudson's targeting calls. The one against SMU was a terrible call, shoulder-to-shoulder hit with glancing head contact against a runner between the tackles.
The hit on Bunch was definitely targeting. He launched headfirst into the QB's chin. I said "that's targeting" before the flag even came out. It was obvious.
September 24th, 2018 at 8:15 AM ^
Refs missed an actual targeting call at the beginning of the game on a Nebraska LB hitting Mason in the end zone head to head.
September 24th, 2018 at 8:17 AM ^
^^^This , but why blitz with 4 mins left when you're ahead by 50. Michigan LB's need work on pass coverage also.
September 24th, 2018 at 10:56 AM ^
but why blitz with 4 mins left when you're ahead by 50
Because blitzing and smashing the QB is Don Brown's base defense!!
September 24th, 2018 at 12:47 PM ^
This is my biggest issue. Refs consistently call targeting against Michigan players in "iffy" situations, but routinely ignore blatant acts of targeting by opposing teams. That hit on Mason was one. We've had a couple others this season too, not to mention the hits that injured Speight and Peters last year.
Either make the call on both ends of the field, or don't make the call at all.
And while we're at it, can we stop with the utter trash "roughing the passer" calls? I mean, every freakin time this season we've been called for it our defender is full speed going after the QB before the ball is out of his hand. What is a defender supposed to do?? React in nano-seconds and defy the laws of physics and all of his forward momentum and just come to a complete stop?? It's beyond absurd!
September 24th, 2018 at 8:37 AM ^
It's politically incorrect to state this, but, while I didn't like last week, I thought this week was targeting (although not malicious). As Harbaugh said, don't lead with the head. Don't put it in the chest-neck area. It could accidentally pop up and cause permanent damage to the QB.
If you watched the NFL yesterday, I saw that exact situation three times. Each time, the defender put his head to the side of the QB's shoulder. Still tackled the QB hard.
September 24th, 2018 at 8:49 AM ^
Brian’s obviously didn’t watch the play. Hudson didn’t put his face into the qbs chest, he put the top of his helmet into the guys chest. His eyes are looking straight down at the ground rather than at what he’s hitting.
just replace targeting with spearing in your head and nobody would have a problem with the call.
September 24th, 2018 at 9:41 AM ^
Brandy and Dierdorf said the same thing, fwiw. They felt the SMU targeting call was egregious, this one was textbook.
I have no clue. BACK IN MY DAY we got speared all the time. And I turned out awesome.
September 24th, 2018 at 9:09 AM ^
The problem is consistency. If that is targeting then there should have been three Nebraska players in the locker room before Hudson. If it's that tight, it needs to be that tight for both sides.
September 24th, 2018 at 10:13 AM ^
I just don’t think this was actually that tight. It’s a hit on a qb which gets more scrutiny, there were no other players around to block a view or that were mitigating factors, and it is incredibly clear the first thing to make contact is the top of Hudson’s head. People associate targeting solely with hits to the head. The idea of it is also to protect tackles that are dangerous for the tackler so its also about head position when hitting any part of the body. Hudson's targeting is just what used to be spearing because he led with the crown of his helmet, where he hit the QB is immaterial to the penalty.
There is a reason none of the coaches on the Michigan sideline were upset at the time or after the game.
September 24th, 2018 at 11:45 AM ^
We've already seen a play that was called nothing on the field be stopped and assessed a targeting so I don't buy the mitigating factors. On TV I saw at least 3 easy targeting calls on Nebraska using the criteria that got Hudson out of the game, so there's no consistency. I've watched it several times and it's a weak targeting call. Brian is right.
September 24th, 2018 at 11:51 AM ^
I don't remember the whole game so its possible other targeting calls were missed, I just don't think this was an egregious call and so far all the Michigan coaches, along with the announcers, and refs agree with that take and only Brian and Michigan fans have a problem with it.
September 24th, 2018 at 1:25 PM ^
The hard part for me was the angle when he made contact. I agree that you have to be under extra scrutiny when hitting a QB, but Michigan has been called for 3 targeting penalties in 4 games this year, and yet you watch these games and guys are hitting Michigan players in largely the same way and nothing comes of it.
So I will concede that Hudson should be punished here because it was a bad hit. But the argument for egregiousness also feels a bit loaded because we focus on the times refs call targeting or roughing the passer, not when they don't. Like, we might remember when, say, Speight is sat on late by a Purdue defender, but if memory serves me right nothing came of that. You could argue he hasn't really recovered from that hit yet, and that has changed the course of his career. But because they didn't spend 15 minutes reviewing the hit from the booth, it just sort of faded into the ephemera. And so if the goal here is to protect players, then I fully support that. But it feels like a lot of it has been disproportionately applied against Michigan in a way that seems incompetent.
September 24th, 2018 at 11:51 AM ^
I think they both were flags as the rule is written. Most seem to agree with you. Brian – who breaks down new rule changes for us and informs our interpretations – says last week's was and this one wasn't.
The real problem is that referees are as inconsistent on this as we are.
September 24th, 2018 at 9:03 AM ^
Martellus, Bushnell-Beatty, Drumfour, good lord Brando that was awful
September 24th, 2018 at 9:14 AM ^
He's trolling us at this point
September 24th, 2018 at 10:49 AM ^
Nah. He just didn't get a depth chart.
September 24th, 2018 at 11:38 AM ^
Don't forget Dalvin the doom squirrel!
September 24th, 2018 at 9:23 AM ^
Nebraska's passing yardage seems kooky because the safety counted as a -11 yard completion.
September 24th, 2018 at 10:11 AM ^
Here's my question- do the usual rules/requirements of completing a catch apply here? Because if a WR did the same thing downfield (but let's say he throws it backwards to remove the question of an illegal forward pass) you'd have to say he never had possession and it would be ruled incomplete. The intent was clear, the QB didn't simply bat the ball down. I'm just not sure you could say he had possession under the strict rules we've seen applied to WR downfield. Really weird play.
September 24th, 2018 at 10:54 AM ^
If a receiver does exactly what you described, it would be a fumble since he purposely throws the ball. That would mean possession and then throwing the ball.
September 24th, 2018 at 9:25 AM ^
The music Bryan Mone and Ben Mason would listen to...
September 24th, 2018 at 9:31 AM ^
WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE PLAYER RESEARCH BEING CONDUCTED DURING THE PODCAST. THOSE RESPONSIBLE HAVE BEEN SACKED.*
*Also, Nebraska's QB
September 24th, 2018 at 10:26 AM ^
The Monty Python interlude was a literal laugh out loud moment for me, walking to work, on a Monday, in the rain. God bless the MGoPodcast.
September 24th, 2018 at 11:40 AM ^
+1, came here to say exactly this.
September 24th, 2018 at 11:51 AM ^
That was brilliant
September 24th, 2018 at 11:30 AM ^
Mind you, a moose bite can be pretty nasty.
September 24th, 2018 at 10:52 AM ^
It was clearly targeting on Hudson this time.
September 24th, 2018 at 10:52 AM ^
Hey, I happen to enjoy beets! How dare you besmirch the good name of beets. Good day to you, sirs!
September 24th, 2018 at 11:37 AM ^
Shouldn't the Ambry Thomas wildcat package be named "Tomcat" and not be using the Peppers' "Pepcat" nickname?
September 24th, 2018 at 11:43 AM ^
I hope so, because the sooner we forget the Pepcat formation the better.
September 24th, 2018 at 11:46 AM ^
-1, never seen Pulp Fiction???
September 24th, 2018 at 11:48 AM ^
Dave is great
September 24th, 2018 at 11:50 AM ^
I have to strongly disagree about MSU’s speed option on 4 and short. Against UM it will the play action off that speed option they’ve been running in that situation for the past few years. That’s the kind of long con Dantonio will plan for just the UM game. I predict if they get into that situation, MSU will show obvious speed option, then Leweke will pull back and hit a wide open WR that faked blocking and streaming down the field wide open.
September 24th, 2018 at 11:53 AM ^
Remember how they jumped our snap count every single year under RichRod and he never once figured it out? Then we said, Brady Hoke will surely notice that and do something. And they did it AGAIN in 2011 and they didn't have an answer for it. They finally figured it out in 2012. Thabk goodness Harbaugh actually knows how to scout an opponent.
September 24th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^
I mean, except, first, wasn't ND jumping the snap counting in the first game this year? They were pretty heavily doing it in the first half at least. And second, the whole point is that Dantonio saves a bunch of crap for just UM. Like in 2016 when MSUs opening drive with their ineffectual run game featured every counter to every tendency they had displayed up until then and executed perfectly. I think UM will know when the speed option is coming. I am not confident they will prepare for the play action off of it.
September 24th, 2018 at 12:21 PM ^
With regards to the fair catch booing on Nebraska - i think that was their fans more than Michigan fans. The one's around me (and there were many) were highly critical of Nebraska's special teams play and in particular their return game.
September 24th, 2018 at 1:05 PM ^
And even if Michigan fans joined in the booing, it wasn't to express disapproval with the strategy. Given the lack of success of opponents returning kickoffs this season, I assume most of us wanted to goad the Nebraska returners into giving it a shot.
September 24th, 2018 at 1:35 PM ^
That was a wonderfully enjoyable podcast. Thanks for helping me get through a long layover in the Charlotte airport.
The podcasts are definitely getting more polished and snappier as the season goes on. Very nicely done.
September 24th, 2018 at 4:47 PM ^
How does Brian not remember the field goal kicking exploits of Hayden Epstein?
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